November 21, 2018

“Stud” vs “dud”: Conservative leaders Bernier and Scheer vie to oust Trudeau

David MenziesMission Specialist

Conservatives in Canada have recently been witness to a tale of two leaders. First up was Maxime Bernier, leader of the People’s Party of Canada who dropped by Ford Nation in Etobicoke, as compared to CPC leader Andrew Scheer who spoke at the PCPO convention in Toronto.


More than 1,200 enthusiastic supporters packed the venue to listen to Bernier, who brought passion and substance, announcing PPC policy planks in a rapid-fire manner to wild cheers.

Bernier’s confidence was striking and after his speech, he hung around for well over an hour, shaking hands and posing for photos. He also agreed to an interview with The Rebel, and was obliging and generous with his time.

Three days later, Andrew Scheer spoke at the Ontario PC convention in Toronto, and in what was a friendly audience of Conservatives who desperately want regime change in Ottawa, he only received “polite applause.”

The audience seemed hopeful, desperate even, for Scheer to say something - anything! – to ignite their passions. But with the exception of stating his opposition to a carbon tax, there were very few tangible announcements.

He could have talked about things such as border control and “irregular” immigration. But, apparently, that’s third-rail stuff, obsessed as he is with how he’ll be covered by the Mean Girls at the CBC, the Toronto Star and The Globe and Mail.

As for us at the Rebel, including YOU, our cherished million-plus YouTube subscribers -- well, sorry. Scheer can’t be bothered to slum it with the Canuck-deplorable’s. When he was done boring the PC rank and file, he jumped into his chauffeured SUV and got out of Dodge.

In summary, my gut feeling is that I have to agree with recent polls showing that the Scheer Conservatives are destined to lose next year.

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commented 2018-11-24 21:34:04 -0500
ron joseph commented 2 days ago
Andrew Stephenson—I enjoyed your summaries and predictions for North America, although you don’t seem to have much faith in anyone and are betting a lot on Millennials/iGens and Immigrants."

Thanks.

I don’t have much faith because I don’t think the current trend to populism is helpful. Sometimes politicians have to do the unpopular. There are some pretty simple reasons for betting on the “youth” (an inaccurate term, the early Millennials, including myself, are now deep into our 30s) and immigrants – we have to, it’s a demographic inevitability. They’re not one and the same (youth tend to be socially liberal, while immigrants tend to be small-c or even Big C Conservatives) but both are swing groups that will vote for the Liberals, alternative to the NDP (youth) and conservatives (immigrants). The mainstream parties play to those groups because they’re the ones whose votes make a difference.

“I disagree where you said,” Bernier would run up against those same limitations – if you get too far off to one side, you don’t win ".
Bernier has already gone off the sides of almost everything he believes in, that’s why we want to vote for him. I am really tired of Politicians sounding nice and correct for a 10 minute speech, and afterward I try and remember what they said or stood for. "

Bernier did go offside … and he didn’t win. Same thing with Trost or Leitch. First choice for a third of conservatives, down-ballot choice for another sixth. Further, his appeal is largely on the Right side of the spectrum – how many big-government types are actually going to vote for a libertarian? We’ll see, there are a lot of undecideds out there at the moment (almost entirely taken from the CPC) but the numbers simply aren’t there for a general election victory at the moment. A split’s hugely problematic, especially since Trudeau may as well be coated in Teflon for the way the raked muck fails to stick to him, though “muck” about his dubious fashion sense is trivial, nor is it helpful to hold anti-Trudeau rallies in Alberta where he holds few ridings and has little to lose.

I’m not fully convinced Bernier is being totally above the table himself. He talks about “Canadian vallues” – what does that mean? Does it mean religious freedom (as in the constitution) or is it a dog-whistle to the anti-Muslim brigade (two diametric opposites), or something else entirely? Thus far, when asked that he’s simply attacked the person asking the question.
commented 2018-11-24 10:40:54 -0500
I guess this was to be expected. Gerald Butts wasn’t kidding when he said several months ago that things were going to look very different in Canada very soon. I believe it was in reference to what he decides is fake news and should not be allowed to see the light of day. So we now see the government controlled paid off msm, and the latest is a change in the election laws and are going to try to keep Bernier out of the debates. This is exactly why The Rebel should NOT have ignored the toronto Mayoral race , the election fraud and depersoning of faith Goldy.
They have decided already that Bernier is a threat and they will do anything in their power to stop him. Heck maybe all the leaders of the three existing parties are involved who knows. But they are trying to take him down, It has started. The mayoral election was just a test. I am furious it wasn’t blown out of the water then.
https://ipolitics.ca/2018/11/23/minister-reverses-stance-on-peoples-party-eligibility-for-leaders-debates/

THIS IS BULLSHIT. The liberals don’t like a law they change it. Its NOT supposed to work that way in Canada.
commented 2018-11-23 01:28:28 -0500
Hey Rebels..If I vanish from these pages…Please go to Trudeau and his crew..

I know there are others that have vanished…
commented 2018-11-23 01:02:41 -0500
Liza Rosie..Let’s get Trudeau out first..then we can deal with the traitors of our Nation..We know Trudeau and his crew are full on traitors..Next is to filter out the hidden traitors of Canada..
commented 2018-11-23 00:40:54 -0500
https://twitter.com/CecileLavas/status/1065683867619811329
This written confirmation(scroll down a bit and click on sensitive material) seems to indicate that the CPC is as far away from saying no to the UN Migration Pact as they always were. Study study, amend, rewrite, but its still basically Canada’s sovereignty being watered down(at best). Rempel means, Canada shouldn’t sign THIS UN agreement, and the CPC won’t sign THIS agreement, not that they won’t sign an amended agreement. Why would a sovereign country be asking the UN to promise to grant them “sovereignty on decision making regarding immigration policy” if they were not planning to sign any UN Migration Pact? Scheer has committed to the UN Paris Accord, who thinks he won’t commit to a UN initiative as well, amended after further study or not. Study shmuddy. Same old mincing when asked outright. Why does it always feel like they are playing us?

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-1906&fbclid=IwAR08892btTt4xb8hzwXD0nxY54Z4ukCeE_0zGgTAI54vmn7T7w6DkXGk2aI
We, the undersigned, Canadians, call upon the Government of Canada to likewise withdraw from the Global Compact For Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration.
commented 2018-11-22 23:25:47 -0500
I take it as a good omen for the PPC that so many new posters are suddenly popping up on the Rebel in the past few days and trotting out the “Split Vote” scenario… Some “back room boys” in Scheer’s camp now suddenly waking up to the new party in town??
commented 2018-11-22 22:56:34 -0500
All right Liza Rosie..great news…ya baby!!…

I can see and hear it now…BUT!!..there has to be a NEUTRAL MODERATOR…Repeat..a NEUTRALGET IT CANADIANS??!! A NEUTRAL moderator that is in the middle of the debate..

I vote for Ezra to be the moderator…lol..
commented 2018-11-22 20:55:24 -0500
“clowns to the left of me..jokers to the right..here I am stuck in the middle with you”….Trudeau…
commented 2018-11-22 20:35:23 -0500
Pegida Canada 2015——Sorry Pegida your comment was right on. It was the guy below you that didn’t agree with you and I.
commented 2018-11-22 20:27:59 -0500
This one is for Mr. Bernier..don’t worry Brother..you have a lot of support from the Canadian Patriots..
commented 2018-11-22 19:16:32 -0500
Like it or not, Scheer won the conservative leadership and voting for him is still much better than the liberals or ndp. Bernier sounds like a sore loser and is not showing any loyalty to the conservative party. Bernier and anyone favouring Bernier knows what voting for him will do to the conservatives and what voting for him will do for the liberals.
commented 2018-11-22 19:14:59 -0500
Posters please stop with the Bernier is splitting the conservative vote nonsense, The Progressive Conservatives are progressives only, Bernier is the only Conservative in the race unless you think a party name is what makes a Conservative in which case you are n the right party with Scheer, if however you believe in Conservative values of fiscal prudence, conservative social values, nationhood, sovereignty, free speech, inherent rights and Constitutional law Then Bernier is your guy. There is no vote splitting except on the left. Rule by UN or governed by Ottawa the choice is clear.
commented 2018-11-22 18:47:36 -0500
Am I mistaken?..Rempel seems to be close to tears?
commented 2018-11-22 17:37:08 -0500
We should probably be paying attention to how Justin is fixing this election. Its already begun with his government journalists. The entire msm in Canada has just been promised payoffs for good press. How else will this election be fixed. None of this splitting the vote argument will matter if the adults in Canada don’t find a way to keep the corruption out. There are a million ways to mess with the count. There isn’t even any trust in Canadian elections these days, not on any level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WBJsYJwHdQ
commented 2018-11-22 17:33:24 -0500
Yeah, Scheer is more of a disappoinment than I thought he would be. He is dull. Period. Afraid to stand for anything, Meek and moldy. Everybody’s just waiting for him to actually say something. Anything. He’s more and more looking like the kid who had his toques stuffed into the sewer and said nothing. He’s got the evil globalist feminist dauphin dullard um, umm and ummer as an opponent and cannot muster himself to smack him upside the head once in a while. He comes across as just not up to it. We need a tiger not a house cat. Somebody please tell me we aren’t doomed
commented 2018-11-22 17:24:54 -0500
If Trudeau gets in..then we all know why for sure 100%..If that happens… I’m open to suggestions on what the Nation of Canadian Patriots can do to deter Trudeau and his liberalist globalist pigs?
commented 2018-11-22 17:19:17 -0500
RON JOSEPH RE: VOTE SPLIT
That was my point. The PPC supporters aren’t worried about a vote split, the CPCs are. If you believe what Bernier is proposing, take the leap. He has a great platform. Many are just waiting and watching right now, not a bad thing necessarily. If the PPC continue on the trajectory they are on, they have a fair chance.
commented 2018-11-22 16:39:46 -0500
IMO..If Bernier has a representative in your riding..vote Bernier…If not vote Scheer.. Keep it simple smart gals & guys…
commented 2018-11-22 16:31:05 -0500
Andrew Stephenson—I enjoyed your summaries and predictions for North America, although you don’t seem to have much faith in anyone and are betting a lot on Millennials/iGens and Immigrants.

I disagree where you said," Bernier would run up against those same limitations – if you get too far off to one side, you don’t win ".
Bernier has already gone off the sides of almost everything he believes in, that’s why we want to vote for him. I am really tired of Politicians sounding nice and correct for a 10 minute speech, and afterward I try and remember what they said or stood for.
commented 2018-11-22 15:57:05 -0500
Andrew you are mistaking strength with maniacal authoritarian behaviour. Justin would and is selling this nation down the creek. Ford is for Ontario first, Trump for America first. That is the difference.
commented 2018-11-22 15:53:21 -0500
Maria, Scheer won by less than one point. It was clear Bernier was equally popular at the time, before we knew Scheer was going to be a sell out. Then Scheer systematically ignored all input from Bernier. Many of us called and bombarded the cpc with questions and concerns. I don’t know what base they are listening to. Why do a few of his mps do all Scheers talking for him. His inability to answer a straight question is almost as bad as Justin’s in his own way. Why did he run out after his speech at the recent convention in Ontario? He can’t answer questions.

Bernier’s performance may not be proven yet, but Scheer’s most definitely is. To me at least.

Ron J. Holy cow! I figured Belgium would have agreed. That is significant and a darn good sign. Lets hope the whole thing falls apart.
commented 2018-11-22 15:43:09 -0500
liza Rosie commented 2 hours ago
“Besides, I believe that Justin is an inherently evil human being, with ill intent for our nation. "

Evil is a stretch. He’s a classic example of what happens when you’re born at the top and assume that you automatically have the skills needed to be there. Which is to say, he’s in over his head, and it’s largely inexperience rather than malevolence. He’s really not much different than a left wing version of Trump or Ford in that regard; populists whose egos and desire to be popular amongst their respective bases are enough to temporarily hide the fact that they lack the skills to be effective at actually governing. Trudeau’s divisive, but he’s no different than other populists. Left-wing populists are much rarer so you simply have less experience with being on the wrong side of that divide, but that irritation you feel is exactly the same to that felt by the Left when talking about Trump.

Unlike Trump (but like Ford) Trudeau is heavily limited by Canada’s weak-executive system which really has trouble deviating from the general liberal social attitudes and centrist vaguely neoliberal tendencies of mainstream politics, where the slow left-tending incrementalism is the best you can do.

Bernier would run up against those same limitations – if you get too far off to one side, you don’t win, and your caucus won’t let you drag them down with you. Ironically, Scheer’s bland inoffensiveness puts him in perhaps the strongest position to do well under our system in that he wouldn’t find himself bouncing off the limits of our political system. Yes, Scheer would see Canada continue its slow drift to the left, but he wouldn’t spend the whole time fighting the inevitable. Canada’s future is in Millennials/iGens, and immigrant, an exceptionally diverse, individualistic, and worldly group who strongly believes in things like climate change. Scheer recognizes that, instead of wishing for a past that will never return, if it ever actually existed.
commented 2018-11-22 15:13:01 -0500
Scheer would sell out and Bernier is upselling.
commented 2018-11-22 14:59:58 -0500
I phoned in to the Conservative Party HQ to loudly protest Scheer’s whipping his MPs to support a Liberal motion affirming the Paris Climate Accord. Sadly, though, many – in fact I think a majority of Canadians believe that climate change is real. They also listen to main stream media.

While I am disappointed in Andrew Scheer’s performance since he was elected leader of the Conservative Party, I am even more distrustful of Bernier …as I have noted in my other comments. But we need to get behind a leader who has has won fair and square.

Trump could have started his own party…but he chose to run for the leadership with other Republicans, because that party was already ‘established’. Bernier did the same but failed. Now he’s into splitting the conservative vote which could well cost the Conservatives the next election. I’m not impressed.

Bernier could have started his party after the next election. His sense of timing is way off.
commented 2018-11-22 14:13:05 -0500
I personally voted for Maxime Bernier in the CPC leadership race. He did not win and I accepted it. Although I agree with negative things being said about Andrew Scheer, we must stay united behind him or we will suffer further under Trudeau. I ran for the Reform Party in 1997 and was elected to their executive council as I though that way the way to go. Not until there was unity on the right did we beat the Liberals. Especially with a weak NDP party and leader, we cannot afford to divide ourselves.