August 29, 2018

#CPC18: How the fix was in to derail ending Supply Management (Guest: Red Deer delegate, Denton Wierzba)

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Host | The Gunn Show

 

The Conservatives Party of Canada’s 2018 convention was a disaster that didn’t have to happen. The train wreck was fifteen months in the making before the locomotive barrelled into the station in Halifax.

Renegade Libertarian MP Maxime Bernier, a former leadership challenger, quit the party as the convention was about to kick-off, calling the party morally and intellectually corrupt for their support of corporate welfare, subsidies and supply management.

With the bandaid ripped off, leader Andrew Scheer had an opportunity to heal the fractured party and send a message to Bernier’s supporters that there was still a place for them within the crumbling Harper coalition.

Instead, Scheer proved his loudest critics correct about being owned by the dairy cartel and in so doing, alienated many of the conservative movement’s most ardent activists - myself included.

A briefing binder was left behind by a clumsy dairy lobbyist detailing a back-up plan - a so-called safety net- in the event of passage of a grassroots policy motion to remove support of supply management from the party’s official platform. Andrew Scheer, the document said, would overrule the will of the party members in favour of the dairy cartel.

He was their milk maid. It was a scandal, dictatorial and undemocratic and everything we would have expected from the Liberals.

But the vote didn’t even take place. MPs and their staff are accused of wasting time to avoid a debate on supply management and verbally abusing delegates who wanted the vote.

Since I was banned by the party from reporting at the convention, I wasn’t in the room when this took place but tonight, I speak to someone who was there.

Red Deer-based delegate, Denton Wierzba, co-sponsored the policy motion and he joins me tonight to tell us the whole story of how the fix was in for supply management at the Halifax convention.

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commented 2018-09-02 08:44:25 -0400
Ron,
The children’s hospital will never see that money that the troll pledged, that troll is nothing but a proven liar. It is only on this site to spam, slander, and lie.
commented 2018-08-31 22:42:54 -0400
The children’s hospital is waiting for their donation !
commented 2018-08-31 18:13:22 -0400
“Hyacinth commented 20 hours ago
[no answer provided] "
So we still don’t know if you think Bernier’s a social liberal or not.

“Alberta Maga commented 16 hours ago
Andrew Stephenson we do support personal and religious freedom, how do you figure we don’t? M-103 and compelled speech are the opposite of those things , which is why we do not support those. "

There’s a lot of misunderstanding about what M103 entails. It merely clarifies already existing rules about hate crimes. I can’t think of a single scenario where M103, or even a situation where if you reworded the text of M103 to make it stand for any group imaginable, would have any bearing whatsoever on what I say. Because… guess what? I don’t feel the need to mouth off about minorities. It’s a matter of basic respect, and a sad reflection on society that it needs to be said at all.

Bernier actually initially supported such motions – he voted in favour of C16 last year although later recanted so it’s hard to say for certain what he actually believes. That being said, if being Muslim is equal to being any other religion, that leaves no space for the sort of comment that M103 would penalize anyway.
commented 2018-08-31 01:55:13 -0400
Andrew Stephenson we do support personal and religious freedom, how do you figure we don’t? M-103 and compelled speech are the opposite of those things , which is why we do not support those.
commented 2018-08-30 22:07:45 -0400
I am going to stick with Scheer. Max won’t have things together for next year and even some of his biggest supporters and colleagues in the Conservative Party are not going to join his new party. I just don’t think he will have the numbers.
commented 2018-08-30 22:04:02 -0400
Proof positive yet again, this is all this troll has done since day one.
Paid to troll.
commented 2018-08-30 21:43:01 -0400
“Hyacinth commented 1 hour ago
- Trolls generally use provocative and confrontational language. A clever one will mix it up with relevant and friendly posts.”

I generally try to stay relevant and respectful. Being provocative is deliberate – my intent is to make you think and toeing the line is a terrible way to achieve that.

“Trolls hardly ever stick to the topic; they beat around the bush with the intention to confuse the reader.”
Do you feel a detailed examination of Bernier’s actual political beliefs is off topic when discussing a convention where the same stomped off because of incompatible political beliefs?

“Trolls of the subtle variety flag off their attack with innocent questions. You will often find them dressed up as new members of forums and chat rooms.”
Yes, I’m asking questions. I think that’s pretty evident.

I have used this pseudonym for years, and on multiple sites.

“Trolls will not respond with a proper answer to a proper question.”
I haven’t gotten an answer. Try it :)

“Trolls (especially the clever variants) use catch phrases to win sympathy. For instance, they may portray themselves as victims or specially challenged.”
I think you’re arguing against a generalization on this one, rather than a specific critique of me. I don’t think I’ve ever portrayed myself as the victim, although I do like to play devils advocate from time to time. In general though playing for sympathy is exactly the same thing as making ad-hominem attacks. It makes it about the person, not the argument whereas I strongly feel the latter should stand on its own..



So… back on topic (and having addressed the series of questions, one of which, articulated apparently completely without a sense of irony, is where you accuse others of deflecting to the irrelevant)


How do you feel about my assessment of Bernier as a social liberal?
commented 2018-08-30 21:29:50 -0400
ssDenton’s expences for attending the Conservative party’s convention is more than I get on disability each month. It’s more than seniorsreceive too. This shows me that the Conservative Party is out of touch with not only its deligates but reality. I feel sure that many supporters will stop giving now that we’ve seen what a farce the Scheer leadership is.
commented 2018-08-30 20:25:50 -0400
- Trolls generally use provocative and confrontational language. A clever one will mix it up with relevant and friendly posts.
- Trolls hardly ever stick to the topic; they beat around the bush with the intention to confuse the reader.
- Trolls of the subtle variety flag off their attack with innocent questions. You will often find them dressed up as new members of forums and chat rooms.
- Trolls will not respond with a proper answer to a proper question.
- Trolls (especially the clever variants) use catch phrases to win sympathy. For instance, they may portray themselves as victims or specially challenged.

Avoidance is the best policy
commented 2018-08-30 19:05:13 -0400
Well, that fits both my criteria, as a deflection AND an insult.

My point on the cognitive dissonance remains unchallenged.
commented 2018-08-30 17:40:39 -0400
And, now, here we are in a situation where the Rebel base, who values social conservatism over all else, are supporting a guy who is completely antithetical to social conservative practices. Oh, and it’s because he says immigrants need to support “Canadian Values”, which he has previously defined as complete personal and religious freedom, something even Rebel readers tend not to support.

The best part of all is, that you all KNOW that that’s irrefutable, because the only responses I’n going to get will be total deflections or insults.
commented 2018-08-30 16:50:22 -0400
Love this Dairy cartel catch phrase. How about the auto cartel and the union thungs that run the joints. Unskilled labor in alot of cases making north of $30/hr. Same job in south carolina pays $18/hr. Muncipal, provincial and federal hand outs out the a$$ to. Thats a subsidy.
commented 2018-08-30 16:11:30 -0400
DON CARLOS

I said nothing to insult you, but you have chosen to respond childishly. And so, another entry for my " Just another Dickhead – Ignore" file.
commented 2018-08-30 15:30:22 -0400
Socialism is great until other people’s money runs out ! M Thatcher
commented 2018-08-30 15:17:32 -0400
If Trump keeps to his words that Canada’s supply management over dairy products will force him to tariff automobiles made in Canada
and
if the Liberals stick to their words about protecting the dairy cartel, then we can expect to see the auto manufacturers move to the US to avoid the tariff.

Canada will as a result nose-dive into a deep recession, especially true since the Liberals and NDP have done a bang up job destroying the next largest income for Canada, the oil and gas sector. Canada’s economy is screwed.
commented 2018-08-30 15:10:13 -0400
Mad Max 2019 The Maximum Effect ! Coming soon to a country near you !
commented 2018-08-30 15:07:44 -0400
Jill and John Ward , Have a little faith . As long as there is air to breath the message will live ! And the people will fight !
commented 2018-08-30 14:38:02 -0400
Thank you Muta Ween,
I just commented on that as well.
I have lost all hope for canada . Apparently we are as empty, vile and full of self hate as every politician in the land is for us ,canada and all which canada was built on.
We are DONE as is Canada which was DONE the day mohammad REMOVED ALL OUR SECURITY, LAWS AND BORDERS in order to welcome the globes parasites,criminals, terrorists,islamists to overthrow and slaughter us all – for votes!
AGain the political vote whores don’t seem to understand they are merely TOOLS for this invading death cult and what is about to befall us and our families will surely befall them and theirs! We gleefully line up for the SLAUGHTER!
commented 2018-08-30 14:32:50 -0400
told you all scheer is a liberal under a conservative banner!Saw this just after his election as leader of the conservative party when he first said he supports the Paris climate accord and then shortly thereafter when he began what became a tradition of bowing to the left! We CANADIANS HAVE NO LEADER AND NO ONE WILLING TO STAND UP FOR US. Sadly we appear UNWILLING TO STAND UP FOR OURSELVES AS WELL! I voted for Doug Ford here in ontario and i just read this :
HORROR VIDEO: Muslims skin cow alive in Ontario town in Canada #Eid
on https://gellerreport.com/2018/08/muslims-skin-cow-alive.html/
I wonder whether even Mr. Ford is liberal for allowing this barbaric cult to continue their savage assaults not only against us and canada but on animals as well!
Have we all lost our humanity ? Are we as despicable , barbaric and anti life as they are?
Woe for our children and all humans as this death cult invades , conquers and rapes/slaughters their way across the entire planet with apparent full support,assistance and rewards not only from we who welcome and provide for them for life but our political vote whores simply not intelligent enough to understand what will befall we the citizens/people but they and their families/loved ones as well!
Is this the end of humanity???
commented 2018-08-30 13:56:34 -0400
Apologists say that the supply management issue was ranked too low. They needed another 30-40 minutes at the break-out session in order to get to this discussion. The fact that the session was delayed at the start by 30-40 minutes is SHEER coincidence!
commented 2018-08-30 13:42:11 -0400
comment " “A principle! A principle! My kingdom for a principle!” More like their kingdom will be LOST over an imagined principle. "

“He that always gives way to others will end in having no principles of his own. ”
― Aesop

“Always do what is right. It will gratify half of mankind and astound the other.”
― Mark Twain
commented 2018-08-30 13:34:04 -0400
Don Carlos Cervantes writes about the slaying of a cow in Milton by Muslims.
Now compare that to a demand by PETA that the Maine Department of Highways build a memorial for lobsters killed in a recent transport accident on a Maine Highway.
What’s the point? Well to the best of my knowledge no animal rights groups have made any objections to what occurred in Milton .
Why? Because they are afraid. When radicals like PETA are afraid , it says a lot about what’s happening in our country.
commented 2018-08-30 12:38:42 -0400
Dumb ass conservatives. Once again, on the apex of victory, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. “A principle! A principle! My kingdom for a principle!” More like their kingdom will be LOST over an imagined principle. Meanwhile they allow the treasonous boob who is destroying their country to have four more years. Dumb ass conservatives.
commented 2018-08-30 12:16:17 -0400
Flat water……..reading your posts i see how ignorant u really are. Get educated before u run ur mouth. Im a former dairy farmer and current poultry farmer. Get outta your pj’s some day and go for a drive to the u.s. and talk to those farmers. 10000 head corporate farms are taking over and the smaller farms cant even get their product to market. There is zero subsodies with supply management. Unlike the u.s sector. To milk 100 cows in ontario u need to own 2.5mill in quota. Ur argument is as dumb a u are it sounds. Get a job.
commented 2018-08-30 11:49:51 -0400
JAMIE MACMASTER, Thank you for your very thoughtful response. I agree with one part of your response when you replied “I don’t think…”
Yes, I am afraid that is the problem with many ‘conservatives’ of the ‘slope-headed’ persuasion. Thank God, it is not all of them.

Jamie, this is what happened during the Muslim holiday of EID in Milton Ontario recently. A cow was literally skinned ALIVE by Pakistani Muslims for a holiday celebration. Trudeau and his Minister of Immigration plan to bring in many more of them in the next four years and you think we are not under any immediate danger from Trudeau? Wow! Check out the link below. https://gellerreport.com/2018/08/muslims-skin-cow-alive.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
commented 2018-08-30 11:33:56 -0400
I just don’t see Scheer being any better then Jihadi Trudeau. He is way left of centre and the stubborn bastard is afraid of MSM and does not listen to advice from anyone but his elite inner circle of Liberals. CPC has been hijacked.