Dolezal vs Jenner: When is it okay to "self-identify"? Is there a rule book?

The reason why Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner is getting adulation and Rachel Dolezal is being condemned is pretty simple. Bruce was open and honest about his transition, while Rachel was deceitful about her so-called “tranracial” identity. Bruce flat out told people that yes, he was born a dude but feels like lady. And he’s publicly taken steps to become a transgender woman.

Rachel Dolezal on the other hand, straight-up lied about her family background: tried to pass off some old black guy as her real dad; claimed she grew up in a tee-pee and lived in South Africa . She possibly invented hate-crimes to make herself look the most “oppressed black woman” in the Northwest, which nearly demonized the majority-white community she lives in. She refused to admit she was born white, until she showed up on that black talk show and the hosts called her out on her BS.

Addendum to my last post – as a libertarian, I think everybody has the right to do whatever they wish with and to themselves – with my blessing – go to it – men can act like women or horses or goats or Napoleon – it’s their call to make. And really non of my business anyway. Just don’t demand I must buy into your fantasy or identity confusion.

Kudos Dave: Society at large must refuse to deny the fact of biological gender:
Gender is first and foremost a genetic imperative. Society or its sub groups do not determine gender roles; nature does. A man who chops up his body and takes hormone pills to look like a woman is not and will never be a woman. A Caucasian woman who perms her hair and takes melanin skin treatments will never be a black woman. There is no such thing as self actuated “transgendered” or “transracial” people. No amount of social justice propaganda, politicized junk science or wishful thinking will ever allow them to reverse their genetically coded proclivities. Their psychological and sexual leanings are mutually exclusive to their natural born biological reality. By extension, we should refuse to play along with these gender roll-playing make believe fantasies. I will never refer to a man in a wig and dress as a “woman.” I will never refer to a woman with identity issues as “transgendered.” They are what nature made them, and we should not police our pronouns just to falsely reassure them that they can deny nature. If this truth offends them, it’s ok because they are mentally deranged any way and by legal definition mentally unfit to make their own decisions. Just because someone really, really, really believes they are another gender, and butchers their body to make the fantasy seem more real, and many are doing it, does not mean this activity is sane. Drew – Michael Mann is as confused about identity as he is about the weather, let delusionals work out their reality-dodging fantasies in quiet isolated despair (these are personal issues not public issues) we should not indulge their obsessional delusions by giving them the credibility of argument – you can’t reason/argue with a delusional , if you do, you step into their make believe.

mann needs to change his tampon

No she is not black and No he is not a woman! I will say though at the very least regarless of Rachel positively contributed to her cause (not defending her decision to portrey herself as black). Im not sure that Bruce Jenner has done anything positive?? never mind getting away with murdering someone with his vehicle! (which he probably wouldnt have gotton away with if he wasnt famous for his famous trans formation)

Good points! No matter how you play the circumstances sooner or later one needs to discover that eventually PC will lead you to a dead end!
Alas: Square Pegs do not fit in round holes properly!

Micheal Mann she is not black and Jenner is not a woman, it is a good question to ask, why is one able to be a phony while another cannot?

Bravo Zulu they will not be pursuing charges against him for that crash. I WONDER WHY?

According to the definition a straight white male could self identify as a black female lesbian … my employment prospects are finally looking positive. :-P

I think a person can be whatever they want to be. It is when other people have to pay for it that it becomes sticky. I’m pretty sure men who identify as women and vise versa can already get a sex chance under their medical. I think I’m going to get a sex change, and identify myself as a black, Muslim midget. I think I will get a free ride then and I will be able to play with my breasts. And think the press I would get from the CBC. I think I would get on air every 2 days.

Of course I understand the difference. It’s the trans people that claim that they are real men or real women.

Do you really have to ask? You don’t understand the difference?

Trans people REALLY hate it when you say that they are not real members of their gender, such as when you said that Bruce is not a real woman. I do not agree with that.

I can’t wait for Bruce to finalize his transition with a uterus transplant and to give birth.

@ Drew Wakariuk commented 23 mins ago
Have you noticed Kaitlyn is absent form the tabloids and the spotlight? I have heard that the former Bruce is having second thoughts, if so he better be prepared to be crucified and for a massive backlash from the progressives who will suddenly deny him free choice.
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He still has a dick and he cannot change his chromosomes – so he is a man – and his name is Bruce.

But ….

It did make him a lot of cash.

So – when is he going to stand trial for killing the senior citizen lady – a texting while driving accident that killed her dead – and Brucey walked.

No one ever seems to ask about that.

I guess he gets a pass on this one due to some sort of perverted fame?

Have you noticed Kaitlyn is absent form the tabloids and the spotlight? I have heard that the former Bruce is having second thoughts, if so he better be prepared to be crucified and for a massive backlash from the progressives who will suddenly deny him free choice.

I would love one of these PC idiots to explain the rules as well, then they can explain why these same rules are subjective and only apply to certain people at certain times.

NNAUMBUA it only seems to count for certain groups , you know the new definition of EQUALITY, where some are more equal than others.

Just kick her in the ass and out the door – let her be – she is simply making money and trouble for her own ego.

Gonna make a grocery run today. I’ve self identified as a Mohawk so I expect Food Basics to give me tax exemption.

Rachel didn’t identify with blackness for some inner longing which impelled her to find her true “roots”. It may have started innocently, wanting to fit in, extra guilt about the slavery thing who knows. However as her identify changed and her hair afro’d she I think started to see she could get sympathy, affirmative action, to the front of the line in any opportunity she could think of which would see her get hired/accepted for her racial identity rather than her own. Can you say text book case of non-existent self esteem? Shame on her

Fake woman? Come on David, everyone knows that painting black stripes on a white pony gives you a zebra.