May 19, 2016

#Elbowgate: Justin Trudeau's tantrum “is being blown way out of proportion”

Lauren SouthernArchive

Like everyone else, I saw the footage of Justin Trudeau's temper tantrum in the House of Commons yesterday.

Despite what so many feminists are claiming on Twitter, what the prime minister did wasn't "assault." At most, Trudeau would be well advised to try harder to control his temper tantrums. Otherwise, the whole thing is a non-issue.

What I want to know is, why didn't Trudeau apologize to the male Conservative he really manhandled...?

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commented 2016-05-20 21:18:57 -0400
Dan Mancuso:
Glad you posted the HOC Procedures and Practices.
Peter Kent read this yesterday in the HOC.
Disappointing Rona Ambrose did not act on this. This was her opportunity. Perhaps, however, she wanted to demonstrate how Conservatives can function on a higher level.
Also disappointing – Mulroney! He was gaga over Justin the night of the election. Maybe he and Joe who ? forgot they used to work for the Conservative Party!
commented 2016-05-20 19:49:11 -0400

You do realize that the vast majority of Canadians identify as liberal/left in varying degrees. Why? Because that’s what real Canadians are. You are not a real Canadian.
commented 2016-05-20 19:32:43 -0400
The left is a walking neurological disorder. Whatever they accuse someone else of, you can be absolutely certain they’re guilty of.
commented 2016-05-20 19:17:04 -0400
I wouldn’t care about this even if Harper did it. In fact, I would give him the same praise that I give Trudeau for showing that he has a spine and won’t take any bullshit.
commented 2016-05-20 19:10:37 -0400

I am sorry to tell you this, but Trudeau is going to be Prime Minister for quite some time. Of course you won’t believe that, but I am just giving you heads up now for future election disappointments.
commented 2016-05-20 15:13:57 -0400
Abuse of power it certainly is. Compare this to Cory Lenardowski’s incident. He was simply trying to keep beside Trump and lightly grabbed her in an effort to get thru the crowd yet liberals were screaming bloody murder. Once the video showed that he did not throw her to the ground as she accused he was vindicated. There was nothing to be sorry for. But with a scowl..yes Trudeau…he rushed to the opposing aisle…inserted his presence where it was not wanted..pushy and grab by and abusing his power in a physical and demeaning way by using foul language and forceful gestures. This is just not right. Libs can defend it but he has shown his true colours if you ask me.
commented 2016-05-20 14:59:01 -0400
I have to be honest. If someone had grabbed me in the same manner Trudeau grabbed the Conservative whip there is a good chance I would have hit him. I’m not a violent person and have never hit anyone who didn’t hit me first but I grew up in a violent school and after a while you develop a reflex to bullying and a disdain for that kind of behavior.
commented 2016-05-20 14:25:28 -0400
The CBC has managed to get Mulroney to downplay “elbowgate”. There is something about Mulroney and a $300,000 payoff that comes to mind. Nevertheless. Trudy was way out of bounds with the Get the Fu*k outta my way and manhandling the Whip. The elbow was an accident although an accident arising out of anger and during an illegal act. He should be stripped of his leadership.
commented 2016-05-20 13:27:29 -0400
No matter what member of any party who did this is wrong and should be handled accordingly.
commented 2016-05-20 13:24:29 -0400
Always ask, “What if Harper did it?”
commented 2016-05-20 13:13:48 -0400
its already a sham anyway, this bow just wasn’t scripted
commented 2016-05-20 13:07:20 -0400
Why do you have to categorize every one? I am not a feminist and I was of the opinion that this incident was overblown, until the little s&%# in his apology stated he only offered the whip his arm to help him thru the crowd. No way, he grabbed the whip by the arm and pulled him thru the crowd so IMHO he is a liar and a thug.
commented 2016-05-20 12:53:03 -0400
Lauren, what is /was truly blown out of proportion was the Mike Duffy case – for centuries the liberal members have squandered tax payers money till it came to head – the sponsorship scandal – TRUE CRIME – but that was hushed. Childish behavior and telling a MP “get the fuck out of my way” That is abuse of power & needs to be dealt with in court!!
commented 2016-05-20 12:22:50 -0400
As far as Justin’s elbow shot to the female NDP MP’s chest region – was it an accident while Justin was physically and aggressively bulling his way through those MPs petulantly demanding he get his way, now!?
Maybe – but in rewatching it several times I’m reminded of the scene in Fawlty Towers where Basil is waiting on the snotty brat Ronald and his family and Basil gives the little shyte an exaggerated elbow to the head and then says, “Oh, sorry.”
I could go either way on this one. The fact is though, if you are committing a crime and you ‘accidently’ kill someone while committing that crime, you’re still guilty of that crime of murder…the assault on the conservative whip is right there for everybody to see…
commented 2016-05-20 12:08:44 -0400
Like all petulant brats and tyrants, if you let them get away with the little things, eventually they will be getting away with the bigger things! Justin needs his bullying, arrogant ass spanked…officially!

“…House of Commons Procedure and Practice
Privilege Versus Contempt
Any disregard of or attack on the rights, powers and immunities of the House and its Members, either by an outside person or body, or by a Member of the House, is referred to as a “breach of privilege” and is punishable by the House. 87 There are, however, other affronts against the dignity and authority of Parliament which may not fall within one of the specifically defined privileges. Thus, the House also claims the right to punish, as a contempt, any action which, though not a breach of a specific privilege, tends to obstruct or impede the House in the performance of its functions; obstructs or impedes any Member or Officer of the House in the discharge of their duties; or is an offence against the authority or dignity of the House, such as disobedience of its legitimate commands or libels upon itself, its Members, or its Officers. 88 “The rationale of the power to punish contempts, whether contempt of court or contempt of the Houses, is that the courts and the two Houses should be able to protect themselves from acts which directly or indirectly impede them in the performance of their functions.” 89 In that sense, all breaches of privilege are contempts of the House, but not all contempts are necessarily breaches of privilege.
Contempts, as opposed to “privileges”, cannot be enumerated or categorized. As Speaker Sauvé explained in a 1980 ruling, “ … while our privileges are defined, contempt of the House has no limits. When new ways are found to interfere with our proceedings, so too will the House, in appropriate cases, be able to find that a contempt of the House has occurred.” 90
Just as it is not possible to categorize or to delineate what may fall under the definition of contempt, it is not even possible to categorize the “severity” of contempt. Contempts may vary greatly in their gravity; matters ranging from minor breaches of decorum to grave attacks against the authority of Parliament may be considered as contempts. 91…”
commented 2016-05-20 11:50:06 -0400
To me the bigger issue was the liberals attempt to strip the opposition of it’s powers. Even Craig Oliver one of his biggest supporters recognized Trudeau’s attempts to undermine the powers of the opposition and how important the opposition is from keeping us from becoming a dictatorship. His behaviour was just a manifestation of the contempt of parliament of who he thinks he is to rule with the same arrogance and disdain his father had . People need to wake up and realize when he mentioned his favorite country was the basic dictatorship of China he wasn’t joking. That more people are not upset his chief of staff’s favorite book is the Communist Manifesto for the 21st century by Thomas Pikitty. That more people aren’t aware of this and alarmed is very concerning
commented 2016-05-20 11:41:24 -0400
Trudeau is not fit to lead our country anywhere except straight to hell. This episode isn’t being blown out of proportion. It shows us what he’s made of. I think the NDP have a right and an obligation to scream bloody murder over Trudeau’s carelessness, and lack of any real apology. He didn’t intentionally hurt the woman, but his infantile behaviour was responsible for hurting her. To ignore or make light of this is an insult to her, to all female MP’s and in fact to all women. Clearly it wasn’t intentional, but actions have consequences. He screwed up, he owns it, whether he really accepts it or not. I’m sure he is not used to being reprimanded and it shows that he doesn’t like it very much. He is getting snippy about it. I’m glad he is showing the country who he really is.

Mikie Mannie, " See I live in the real world", no you don’t. Actually we all know and have for a long time now that Mannie lives in his Mother’s basement, far far from any resemblance of the real world.
commented 2016-05-20 11:36:46 -0400
Bill Elder have you considered running for leadership of the Conservative party?
commented 2016-05-20 11:13:47 -0400
commented 2016-05-20 10:35:29 -0400
Mann and his partisan fart catcher homeboys are all lying hypocrites because it is obvious that had Harper done the same thing, IT WOULD BE A BIG DEAL!! and they would all be calling for his resignation and slandering him ad infinitum.

So would I – to assault another member then lie about it after the fact is also contempt of parliament:

CCC: 265 (1) A person commits an assault when
(a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly;

Breech of privilege or contempt of parliament is an offence punishable by house committee in which a member has assailed, impeded or shown contempt for the dignity of the house and any of its members or officers.

As you troll Liberal partisans run your denial based damage control, there is a house committee deciding this very thing after Trudeau’s melt down. The special committee of legislators could in theory find him in contempt of Parliament, thereby potentially triggering a vote of confidence which he probably would win given the Liberals majority in Parliament. But it would damage his trust and suitability as leader to put his party and caucus in such a dangerous position over such a stupid infantile rage.
commented 2016-05-20 10:19:08 -0400
Continued from last post as I accidentally clicked on the post comment button.
….the Harper hating band wagon they had jumped on, and the appeal of “change” even if it was a change for the very worst. The only way Trudeau will win in the next election is if he cheats or more likely uses his supreme dictatorship skills to take away our democracy all together. I wouldn’t put it past him, in fact I suspect his majority is due to tampering with the vote in the last election which is a shame. If he had a minority, he would have been overthrown already, if not for the billions he’s racking up in debt, then for this display in the HOC the other day.
commented 2016-05-20 10:12:13 -0400
Michael Mann said “I trust his “uh’s” won’t impact the fact that he’s popular and will beat the conservatives in the next election as well. Win for real Canadians.”
You’re wrong. The CBC and liberal polling companies like to pretend that Justin Trudeau is still as popular as he was, but in reality the shiny new penny has lost his shine among many who voted for him. I personally know many liberal voters, as well as those who voted Conservative, NDP, and Green, and only the ones who voted Liberal and specifically for Justin Trudeau regret their vote…. every single one of them. They’ve also told me their friends and relatives who voted for Trudeau are also face palming their stupidity. I’m certainly glad I can’t be held personally responsible for the mess we’re in with this horrible government as I didn’t vote for this man-child, and even though I have a bit of anger for those who did, I can’t hold it completely against them as they were in a brainwashed state due to the Harper hating band waggen
commented 2016-05-20 08:50:46 -0400

No, I wouldn’t do that. I am not a pussy.

You are the one bringing up his swear per your “Justin Trudeau” comment.

I trust his “uh’s” won’t impact the fact that he’s popular and will beat the conservatives in the next election as well. Win for real Canadians.
commented 2016-05-20 08:42:04 -0400
Who’s offended? I never said I was sensitive about a spaz, or offended,, nice deflection. He is a buffoon who can’t speak off the cuff without saying “uh” every other word. In his first off the cuff apology he said “uh” 34 times. It’s pretty funny. Your a whiny liberal,, in your real world a little wussy like you would charge someone if they grabbed your arm in an aggressive manor, or file a grievance with human rights council that your lgbt rights were infringed apon.
commented 2016-05-20 08:02:37 -0400

I am spinning so fast? No. See I live in the real world – not the bubble that conservatives seem to live in where they get offended or outraged of something as meaningless as a politician using a “bad” word.

In fact, I like Trudeau even more for essentially saying enough is enough of this bullshit and took command of the situation.

No I am not on the LPC payroll – I am just not sensitive and easily offended like you are.
commented 2016-05-20 08:01:29 -0400
“As for you Lauren, you and everyone who makes excuses for his actions, are incoherent. If you had any understanding of the world, you would not make exceptions because this was a man instead of a woman, because he was there representing a constituency of Canadians, who was publicly grabbed and forced to move against his will, pushed and directed to go in a direction he had no intention of taking. You really need to grow up as well. The extent of Trudeau’s behavior was that he was FORCING HIS WILL ON THE REPRESENTATIVE OF A LARGE NUMBER OF CANADIANS, and in that sense he was pushing men AND WOMEN around, via their representative. There is NO EXCUSE for the leader of a country doing this because he has now fully shown that he is more than a bully, he is, at heart a dictator. "

Here here!! Very well said Judy.
commented 2016-05-20 07:36:20 -0400
But mr Mann, there is no need to go all “Justin Trudeau” on all the posters here, it was your dear leader that promised a change, he promised respect in the hoc ,decorum , civility, sunny ways. He is mearly a bully, like yourself. You are spinning so fast , I bet you can even see straight. Are you on the LPC payroll?
commented 2016-05-20 07:07:39 -0400

People swear – including politicians. Get over it. It’s not 1950.