April 05, 2015

Gay rights campaign against Indiana "is really an anti-Christian campaign"

Rebel Staff

When Bill Clinton passed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act 1993, the left loved it. Minorities like Muslims, Sikhs and Native Americans used it to win the right to carry out certain religious practices specific to their faiths.

But suddenly a similar bill in Indiana is creating a furor.

The left has finally figured out that Christians could use this law to protect their rights to freedom of religion and association, too.

CEOs like Apple's Tom Cook are loudly denouncing the Act as "homophobic," because, for example, Christian bakers could use it to argue in court that they shouldn't be forced to made a gay wedding cake.

This backlash is especially hypocritical because last year, Apple started doing business in homophobic, misogynist Saudi Arabia, where gay people like him have bigger problems than wedding cakes.

Let's be clear: The backlash against the Indiana law isn't a pro-gay campaign at all -- it's anti-Christian.

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commented 2015-04-07 12:21:06 -0400
MAURICE POTVIN you are not a pessimist, but a realist. (1 Chronicles 12:32: “men of Issachar, who understood the times and knew what Israel should do”.)
EDWARD JOBIN, with respect to “What is needed is for someone with great organizational skills to co-ordinate a massive boycott in response to the companies who are trying to use their weight to bully Christians out of any practical rights before they are gone”, Dr. Charles McVety, President of the Institute for Canadian Values, has been quite vocal in raising the issue of Corporate Discrimination through a corporate group called Legal Leaders for Diversity (LLD) and initiated a campaign against BMO, including the creation of a petition to be sent to the CEO of the Bank of Montreal which was leading the corporate discrimination.
Encouraging that the campaign he initiated has had some impact and shows the value of taking a stand. http://canadianvalues.ca/mailing/icv.html?
A listing of the current corporate members of LLD here:
The question is are Christians willing to stand up against such corporate bullying? Some of the choices can be quite easy, for example, stop buying Coca-Cola, Kellogg’s, Nissan, HP, Dell, Ford, Sobey’s, Cineplex, BP, Chevron, and Shell products and services, as there are other alternatives. A tough one for Edmonton Oilers fans – stop attending their hockey games. Probably good idea to send them a note that you are discontinuing using their products and why. However, there will probably come a time when we will have no alternatives.
commented 2015-04-07 02:20:44 -0400
Kenneth Lawrence, I think you hit on the heart of the problem that western civilization is currently dealing with, and if it continues unchecked it will lead to its eventual demise. Sure, we can elect a Conservative Government, but the Parliamentary and Legislative Assembly level is not the level at which the rubber meets the road. As long as the bureaucracy of Government is under the control of Trade Unions, as long as our Colleges and Universities are controlled by Radical Atheist Marxist Professors, as long as Main Stream Media News is controlled left wing zealots and as long as our courts, all the way up to the Supreme Court of Canada, are so steeped in political correctness that they can’t see the logical incongruity of decisions like “the truth isn’t a legitimate defense against hate speech” (bizarre… I still can’t wrap my head around that one). As long as those things don’t change, all Conservative Governments can do is throw sand in the gears and hold off the decay for a while longer. Boy, I’m such a pessimist!!
commented 2015-04-06 22:20:51 -0400
You’re absolutely right, Ezra. It’s all about Christian bashing. It’s about punishing Christians for having a moral code that is based on the Bible’s teaching on human behavior, including homosexual behavior. It’s also about punishing Christians for disagreeing with the new anti-Biblical cultural Marxist paradigm that includes same-sex marriage. That’s the new heresy, and the anti-Biblical cultural Marxist tyranny under which we now live won’t tolerate it. Never mind all that stuff the left used to say about tolerance. That was just so much pap for the masses when the left was struggling to gain power in North America and Europe. Now they have it (they control the media, the courts, and the education system at all levels, if not always the largely irrelevant government), and Christians who live by their Biblical principles will be relentlessly driven from every corner of the marketplace (e.g. businesses such as B&B’s, bakeries, etc,) in which they live and operate. It’s the lefts’s Christian pogrom. It’s here to stay, because of their total control of society’s major levers of power, despite any small, temporary reverses such as you were able to engineer in Nanaimo last year. Thanks for that, but unless or until the left is removed from power in the media, the courts and the education system (which won’t happen, at least not in my lifetime on Earth), it won’t last long. Free Canada is going the way of the dodo, which is to say that it won’t outlive the left’s control of our society. But I’d love to see the left’s faces when they realize what is going to replace the Christian society that they so despise.
commented 2015-04-06 20:38:33 -0400
Yes Judy. Thanks
commented 2015-04-06 15:45:15 -0400
That was good vid Joan. I recommend to anybody to watch the whole thing, Crowder does a humorous take on a serious issue.
commented 2015-04-06 14:59:41 -0400
Judy, I think you’re really on to something. I must say, I’d never thought of that. (just naïve and trusting, I guess). Thank you.
commented 2015-04-06 14:37:59 -0400
What is needed is for someone with great organizational skills to co-ordinate a massive boycott in response to the companies who are trying to use their weight to bully Christians out of any practical rights before they are gone. And thank God for stories like these and reporters such as in Rebel Media to bring these stories into proper perspective. I have seen the media left trying to push the spin on this one. http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/03/31/erin-live-hester-arkansas-religious-freedom-bill.cnn/video/playlists/atv-big-interviews/
commented 2015-04-06 14:34:41 -0400
Of course Christians can always comply with a passive-aggressive response. You know, put the dolls on top in a tux and dress, then explain one is in drag. Or get the words wrong on the cake. Feign misunderstanding etc. Word gets around pretty quickly.

But this is about making a point. Intimidating Christians. They will always use gay bakers before Christian ones. They would like to criminalize Christianity (useful Islamic idiots that they are).

This video about Muslim bakers refusing to make gay cake is good. And funny:

commented 2015-04-06 12:19:00 -0400
BRAVO JUDY!!! This is something I have been trying to say for a long time now but you stated it FAR MORE eloquently than I could have.

Canadian and American courts merely pretend to be impartial. Why should we consider them to be any different than any politician or bureaucrat when they are appointed by politicians themselves?
The only ones who deny this assertion are the ones who are involved in it themselves; judges lawyers and activists.

I’ve said it for a while now, on social issues, judges decide first, THEN hear the evidence, and finally invent justifications to support the decision they already made.
commented 2015-04-06 12:08:51 -0400
This is absolutely a freedom of speech, Religion and freedom of thought issue. And as for Era’s comment about if the role was reversed what would the outcome be this actually happened. http://www.christianpost.com/news/13-gay-bakeries-refuse-to-make-traditional-marriage-cake-with-the-message-gay-marriage-is-wrong-131479/ Notice the lack of public outrage or demand for equal rights. This issue isn’t about denying someone food or water or saying sit at the back of the bus it is about forcing others to accept your beliefs and then using the media per pressure distortions to accomplish this.
commented 2015-04-06 07:42:37 -0400
Technically EVERYONE loses by this ongoing lawsuit happy practice of DELIBERATELY planting one of “your people” into a business and then suing the business because the owners behaved like you knew they would. This has become such common practice that I wonder why the government hasn’t made a law FORBIDDING anyone from this intentional practice of taking away the rights of others.

It seems that every lobby group, gays, Muslims and some others, has done this intentional planting in order to stifle free speech, association and free will in others. The people who insisted on their “wedding” cake could have gone to other companies but they CHOSE A CHRISTIAN COMPANY to MAKE A POINT but more so to take away the liberty of the business owner. The printing company in Toronto that was forced to print something that offended their conscience was one of many printing companies and it was TARGETED by gays in order to take away their liberty. The gay who insisted on having a Muslim man cut her hair was also TARGETING a person she KNEW would be offended in conscience, with the intention of taking away his freedom of conscience event though she could have chosen hundreds of hairdressers who had no qualms about cutting her hair.

It seem the main offenders that use these tactics are gay groups…but there are, no doubt, others. When there is a CHOICE of ALTERNATE companies the COURTS NEED TO REFUSE TO HEAR THESE CASES.

The only reason I can see that the courts continue to allow such cases to continue is that the COURTS THEMSELVES HAVE AN AGENDA TO REMOVE LIBERTY FROM OUR COUNTRY…otherwise they would not permit this FRIVOLOUS use of their premises to strike liberty of conscience from Canada.

Then the courts permitted an oppressed woman to be used by the men of her culture in order to force the Canadian law to support Sharia standards and HINDER the liberty of other women to refuse to wear niqabs…again THIS ACTION BY THE COURTS SET ANOTHER PRECEDENT removing liberty from Canada for thousands of women who likely came here to be set free from those smothering garments of oppression and torture. Now their men can say it is the law in Canada that they are “free” to wear their niqabs and that the men have a right to enforce the women to continue wearing these muzzles.

commented 2015-04-06 00:24:32 -0400
I sent twenty bucks to the fund that was initiated in behalf of the owners of “Memories Pizza”, the establishment that was attacked by the LGBT leftist movement. WalMart decided to weigh in on a similar law in Arkansas, so I decided to write WalMart and advise them that I don’t support their business because they are supporting these attacks against Christian values. Both actions seem puny in the big picture, but at least I feel I have been proactive in expressing my viewpoint.
commented 2015-04-05 23:38:46 -0400
Actually I was responding to Liana’s post. I misread the name, thought it was from you, Liza. After reading the first letter I guess I just got lazy. Sorry Liza, Liana… Just part of getting old.
commented 2015-04-05 22:57:50 -0400
You are way ahead of me Maurice.
commented 2015-04-05 22:52:34 -0400
Liza, it’s a really tough balancing act. I’m not very good at it. I must admit that when I’m attacked, my natural instinct is to punch the lights out of those who would attack me. When I was young, and spent way too much time in bars, that’s exactly what I would have done. One of the good thing about getting old may be that we lose the physical capability to do such foolish things. But I’m afraid age doesn’t change the heart. I have to work at my attitude every day. I’m definitely a work in progress. But I do believe that one of the characteristics of being true to one’s religious or moral convictions is a willingness to accept the consequences of our actions. Jesus never promised that following him would be easy.
commented 2015-04-05 22:22:09 -0400
Ezra, thanks for your insight! Well done!
Maurice, that is outstanding! Now I just need to learn how to do that…
If I was a baker, and a gay couple wanted a cake for their wedding…I would have to refuse…I couldn’t enable them in moving forward into a situation that I believe would end very, very, badly…what kind of person would I be if I was an accomplice to that end? Thankfully, I’m not a baker…
commented 2015-04-05 22:11:32 -0400
There is a simple principle that is being ignored here. That principle is freedom of association. If I walk into a store that won’t serve me for reasons of their own, I am not the least insulted, that is what freedom of association means. If such discrimination is irrational, their business will suffer, but at the same time I know that I in turn am free to ignore them.
commented 2015-04-05 21:38:04 -0400
William Wiser,please feel free.
commented 2015-04-05 21:24:04 -0400
Maurice said," As a Christian, it is not my responsibility to judge the world."
“It is my mandate, however, to love everyone, as did Jesus, and that means the Atheists, the LGTB community,The Liberals, and even the radical Islamists, plus every other wing-nut out there. But just because I have to love them doesn’t men I can’t call them wing-nuts, which they are, and fight to keep them from fulfilling their hedonistic or Islamic global agenda, which ever the case may be.”
So good.
commented 2015-04-05 20:02:03 -0400
I am simply growing tired of having my every thought policed by an unofficial partnership of activists, lawyers, journalists and judges.
Members of the partnership I mentioned are outraged that anyone decides to resist their decrees. If a baker is ordered to bake a cake for a gay couple against his/her beliefs. DO it. Bake the cake. Make it as horrible, as disgusting a cake as there ever has been. Give the absolute MINIMUM level of service that you can imagine. Do everything you can think of to make their shopping experience as miserable as possible. Everyone else, serve as perfectly as you can and with as high of standards as you can serve.

Scumbag lawyers may force you to bake the cake. They cannot force you to do it well. They remember to serve lawyers & judges with the same level of service.
commented 2015-04-05 19:30:07 -0400
Right Maurice, its says that two men that lie together should be stoned.{maybe they’re high} But its not for you to do. If we could just quit playing into their hand. ‘I only make traditional cakes,if you want a Special Cake, you have to pay my Special Fee. take it or leave it".Any business could do that .They wanna fight to take our right to say no. make em pay but don’t say they’re wrong prove you’re right. (Your Right)
commented 2015-04-05 19:06:50 -0400
I have to make this clear. As a Christian, it is not my responsibility to judge the world. We are in the world but we are not of the world. It is my mandate, however, to love everyone, as did Jesus, and that means the Atheists, the LGTB community, The Liberals, and even the radical Islamists, plus every other wing-nut out there. But just because I have to love them doesn’t men I can’t call them wing-nuts, which they are, and fight to keep them from fulfilling their hedonistic or Islamic global agenda, which ever the case may be. But it does mean that I must support their right to the same freedoms that I as a Christian should have, freedom to work at a job of their choosing, freedom of accommodation, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression. Just as long as they do not infringe one those same freedoms in anyone else. They may be fighting to take away those rights and freedoms for Jews and Christians, but all I can do in good conscience as a Christian is fight back and demonstrate why and how they’re wrong. But I cannot take the same tactic with them that they are with us. I must fight for their equal rights, not against them.
commented 2015-04-05 18:37:17 -0400
Thanks Ezra, great reporting and insight! As a Conservative Christian here in Calgary, AB I too am tired of having my holy inspired rights being infringed upon. These rights were given to me by our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. If my small business (which happens to be a bowling complex that has a pizzeria & a arcade that I’ll leave unnamed for fear of some angry leftist retaliating against my beliefs) would be required by law to host either a gay-wedding, gay bar-mitzvah, gay-birthday, gay-aniversery, gay-retirement-party, gay-engagement, gay-lunch-time-pizza-buffet-with-tokens included, gay-celebration, gay-bowling, gay-air hockey gay-funeral or gay-dog-funeral is freakin crazy and we shouldn’t stand for it! As I’m sure you know Ezra, The Bible is very clear on the matter of homosexuality: Leviticus 20:13:“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.” So excuse me if I won’t serve gays any pepperoni potato-skins or let them play the Daytona 500 Racing Game, because according to my Gods law I should be doing a lot worse to them, which should also be legal because it’s my belief. So count your blessings you leftist gay terrorists, my Terminator 2 game is out of service right now, but when I get it fixed your simply not welcome. Thanks for sticking up for persecuted Christians Ezra! And let me know if you’re ever in Calgary and wanna come by for a hot slice, some T2 and a couple of frames of knock em-downs.
commented 2015-04-05 18:20:11 -0400
MARICE POTVIN SAID: “First of all, for any religion to be considered truly intolerant, among the doctrinal tenets of that religion would have to be the advocacy of exclusion from mainstream society for non-believers, or at the very least an attempt to publicly discredit them based on their religious disposition.”

I guess that nails atheism pretty well (well practices rather than actual doctrinal tenets) regarding the belief in ‘macro-evolution’ per the film “Expelled”…that proves this point.see it for free on youtube….by Ben Stein : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqNPlwLwIP8

It also explains James Lunney’s need to leave the Conservative party to PROTECT the party from these trolls who are determined to keep Christians out of politics, the media and every public venue.
commented 2015-04-05 18:17:19 -0400
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
commented 2015-04-05 17:13:38 -0400
Great video Ezra. You make tons of compelling arguments!
commented 2015-04-05 16:51:45 -0400
Michael Doll, loved your post, thanks. Reasonable Conservative, Happy Easter. I think the reason for this seemingly schizophrenic position of the lefties is cowardice; fear that the positive moral values taught in the Judeo-Christian message might interfere with their hedonistic lifestyle, fear that they will be the ones excluded from mainstream society if they don’t go along with the crowd, and fear that if they apply these principles evenly across the board, to Islam for instance, they might get killed (reasonable fear, this last one, I think). The Liberal elitists and lobby groups for LGTB agenda have come to interpret the word “tolerance” as meaning never saying that someone else’s views are wrong, that is, of course, as long as those views are considered “progressive”. However, that entire politically correct notion of tolerance is wrong. The very concept of the word “tolerance” contains within it the notion of disagreement. Although I was never a big fan of Voltaire, when he said “I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it”, he nailed it! That is precisely the definition of tolerance. Where there is no disagreement, tolerance is irrelevant and therefore nonexistent. Believing and stating that another person’s beliefs are false is not intolerant. In fact disagreement is absolutely essential for an atmosphere of tolerance to exist. Without it tolerance is a non-issue. True tolerance allows for differing views to have equal right to exist without fear of condemnation, or the threat of violence. Therefore, one can be truly tolerant without accepting another person’s beliefs as being true. I believe there are two main reasons biblical Christianity is thought of as intolerant. The first reason is because among the tenets of Christianity is the concept of changed moral behavior as evidence of true Christian conversion. These Christian concepts of moral behavior are not always in step with the values embraced by society and therefore are often perceived as a threat to the lifestyle of those who don’t choose to live their lives by Christian moral principles. The second and possibly more important reason is because Christianity claims to be exclusively and absolutely true, as does every other religion, including Atheism. This has serious ramifications. If accepted as truth, Christianity becomes a mirror, held up to reflect the soul of both the individual and society, and we may not always like what we see. However, those who accuse Christianity of intolerance fail to recognize the logical inconstancy in their own accusations. First of all, for any religion to be considered truly intolerant, among the doctrinal tenets of that religion would have to be the advocacy of exclusion from mainstream society for non-believers, or at the very least an attempt to publicly discredit them based on their religious disposition. Neither of these scenarios are doctrinal tenets of Christianity. Secondly, to take the position that Christianity, or any religion for that matter, is intolerant because of its moral foundations or its claims to exclusivity is itself an intolerant position and, therefore, also a very hypocritical position. When tolerance is valued at the expense of truth and a religious belief is rejected, not on the evidence, but simply because it claims to be exclusively true, then the necessity of valuing truth above tolerance becomes obvious. So, yes, this isn’t a pro-gay campaign, it is indeed an anti-Christian campaign, and highly hypocritical. ( Boy, I can sure get long-winded and preachy once I get started. Old age and senility, I guess. Sorry.)
commented 2015-04-05 16:46:36 -0400
I don’t like the fact that you can’t criticize some of the policies or actions of Israel without be labeled an anti-semitic. It’s similar to how some black people like to pull the race card when you criticize their bad behaviour.
commented 2015-04-05 16:31:50 -0400
Actually it’s been proven that children who grow up with religious values are happier. How much sleep do you need? There’s later masses. That’s like saying remove hydrogen from your life
commented 2015-04-05 16:28:50 -0400
Thanks for the suggestion “Reasonable conservative” but I think I’ll keep God in my life and I’ll be happy enough.