February 16, 2017

“Mandatory military service would do ‘triggered’ boys and girls some good”

Faith GoldyArchive

As guest host of Ezra's show last night, I laid out five policy ideas I hope Conservative Party leadership candidates should adopt, including building up our military — and not just in terms of investing in new equipment, either...

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commented 2017-02-16 13:35:41 -0500
Every person, after graduation from School or Collage should be faced with a mandatory Two Year membership in the Canadian Armed Forces. This would have the effect of turning them into Human Beings and they would forget the Marxist Brainwashing that they absorbed at school. It would also turn them into Real Men and Women, rather than the lost deadbeats that are turned out by our educational system.
commented 2017-02-16 12:04:18 -0500
Mandatory Military Service is an interesting topic for debate and analysis, as this column is showing, but it’s really a no-brainer for Canada. “Lets do it because Hungary and Israel do !!” Good grief. Here are my thoughts.

At times of a World War where the country as a whole may be threatened, it makes sense and with clear acceptance by the population.

But to do so as a way to educate or socialize or force some maturity into “this generation” of citizens seems illogical. First, our military leaders – officers etc. are not social workers. At most they are, and need to be disciplinarians. To now hold the Armed Forces responsible for maturing (?) a generation of youth goes beyond the Armed Forces’ social contract with Canada. Surely the safety of our Forces (and subsequently the safety of Canadian citizens) is influenced by the maturity of its members. If not, why wouldn’t we empty the Prisons into the Army ! That would smarten those folks up !

One of the biggest errors in this concept however, comes from acceptance of the myth that “this generation” is comprised of like-minded individuals, unique from other generations, because they are influenced by similar life experiences and so develop similar values, beliefs, priorities, etc., etc. That must be the assumption, if the proposal is to make Military Service mandatory for everyone in an age grouping.

However, despite the popularity of the term Millennial Generation, and the never-ending opportunistic marketers promoting and selling “management” programs, and products of all sorts to focus on the “Millennial Generation,” there is ample professional, research data showing that one’s birth generation has little to do with the development of one’s attitudes, temperament, values and beliefs. The stereotype Millennial is just that.

If you can find a list of the “characteristics” of a Millennial, would you accept the proposal that every person born in that era score the same on all those characteristics? When you were in high school, with other students who experienced and learned many similar things as you did via the media and school, etc. – were all your friends in your classroom the same? In your school? In your part of town? In your City, Province, Country? Of course not.

But if your motivation is to affirm that members of specific “birth” Generation are all the same because of similar life experiences and happenings in the world since they were born, then it isn’t hard to find examples to support your bias – especially if some article or teacher or professor told you that Millennials are all the same, and that we need to learn specifically how to manage, or motivate, or educate the “Millennials” or the “Baby Boomers” or “Generation X”.

See:

http://irc.queensu.ca/articles/understanding-generational-differences-workplace-findings-and-conclusions

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/03/here-is-when-each-generation-begins-and-ends-according-to-facts/359589/
commented 2017-02-16 11:51:11 -0500
David Ross commented
“Mandatory military service would help ….. We are ushering in a nation of wimpy, entitled, weak minded, weak bodied, overweight, unhealthy, young people that have never suffered a real consequence in their pampered lives. Learning some discipline ,hard work, strength and endurance exercise, consequences and respect for authority and elders would do nothing but good for our youth.’

True, but basing it on current and past news it is more likely they’d demand that the military be pussified just as they are. The new uniforms would be changed to a politically correct shade of pink and include pussy hats, numerous safe spaces would be created, and that would be just the beginning. The role of the military would undergo radical change. Trudeau style they would start to hand out hugs and try to get to the root of why others feel so excluded as to resort to violence while banning all weaponry and training. Instead of peacekeeping or providing military aid they will hide in their safe space and say “not our concern but we’ll send money anyway”. Not a bright future.
commented 2017-02-16 11:38:38 -0500
That is the other thing about Islam people don’t consider seriously. Muslims have allegiance only to Islam. The Koran demands it no matter what country they infiltrate as ‘citizens’. So I agree with Yvon, Muslims should not be in our military (unless they apostatise) as well, they SHOULD NOT BE IN OUR GOVERNMENT.
commented 2017-02-16 11:38:36 -0500
With Justin Trudeau as our PM I would never serve. Defending this SOB and his government would be the last thing I’d do. As for Canada I would protect and serve to preserve our constitution something clearly the Liberal cartel of Canada is not doing. I agree our snow flake generation could use some humility and hard work. Faith you are correct.
commented 2017-02-16 11:33:57 -0500
Jack is filling his boots at the thought. Don’t be scared Jack, you would buck up soon enough. Cause, YOU’D HAVE TO.

Don’t get me wrong, I think it would be great for the population of snowflakes, and a large dose of patriotism would go a long way right about now. But there need to be assurances that only voluntary units go abroad. I don’t know much about how it works, but I don’t want anymore kids getting needlessly killed for leaders who fight like girls and don’t consider the ‘vacuums’ they create when they take out leaders they don’t like.
commented 2017-02-16 11:32:39 -0500
I would be in favor of a one year mandatory military stint for boys, optional for girls. Any devout follower of the religion of “peace” should be automatically disqualified ,as their loyalty is to Islam and their co-religionists’
commented 2017-02-16 11:29:40 -0500
Seems Faith hit a nerve.

Let me tell you all a couple of things – it is not all guns and fighting.

Trades training, heavy equipment training, IT stuff up the hoop, humanitarian work, medical training and many other types of educational degrees. If the military would also create civilian equivalent and recognized training in this matter it might be an easier sell.

There are many countries that have mandatory service.

I will say this again:

There are many countries that have mandatory service.

It is a wonderful thing and creates an entirely capable and competent individual in all but the tiniest of percentages.

As a veteran I know I am prejudiced in this matter.

Be that as it may I have never met anyone who actually did “service to their country” that did not only benefit personally, but their countries benefited as well. I have never met anyone who did not finally admit that it was a good experience and helped them grow.

Not one politician will have the courage to bring that one forward in Canada.

If you benefit from your country why should your country not benefit from you?

Who was it that said – “Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country”?

I know, but the masses probably do not.

The courts would destroy the initiative and people would riot in the streets.

And that is why this country called Canada will continue the slow downhill slide.

No one is prepared to actually think outside the box and then ACT.

Sad.
commented 2017-02-16 11:25:09 -0500
The USA doesn’t have mandatory military service anymore by the way.
They are suffering the consequences of failing to keep that going today.
commented 2017-02-16 11:21:34 -0500
It’s a proven thing, Faith, that mandatory military service improves young people’s lives. I am talking about current peace-time service. I never had that option at age 18, so I did the next best thing: I volunteered and joined anyway. My parents immediately saw the improvements (they even agreed to sign me up because I was slightly under 18 at the time, and the Canadian Armed Forces accepted those 16 or over if parents agreed in writing). My sister later said that she believed my military service (and that of my twin brother and an older brother) was evident of an improved character. The military improves the sense of duty, responsibility and most of all, discipline. I can vouch for all of these. As for war time, we already see our military full of volunteer personnel. I repeat, volunteers. I unabashedly state that a term of military service while young is the best training any young person can possibly get.
commented 2017-02-16 11:21:24 -0500
Faith is right on the money; Mandatory military service would help undue all the damage that entitled parents have done to their children. We are ushering in a nation of wimpy, entitled, weak minded, weak bodied, overweight, unhealthy, young people that have never suffered a real consequence in their pampered lives. Learning some discipline ,hard work, strength and endurance exercise, consequences and respect for authority and elders would do nothing but good for our youth.
commented 2017-02-16 11:11:40 -0500
Marek Wysocki,

Are you kidding? Why not just make Canada part of America – it sounds like you would be happy with that as opposed to being a proud Canadian and loving this country BECAUSE it’s not like America or any other country for that matter.
commented 2017-02-16 11:07:06 -0500
Aman Dahuginkiss,

Fantastic post – absolutely right.

If Justin Trudeau somehow made it law that everyone has to go to a Christian church on Sundays, Faith would be praising Trudeau for this, but do something that is against her moral agenda and government is evil!!!!
commented 2017-02-16 10:50:22 -0500
The relevant question is not whether Faith Goldy or any of her colleagues have served in the military, but whether they would be willing to so without hesitation, if this was mandated by law. I think that if we’re honest with ourselves we all know the answer.

As to Canada being more like the United States – what would be wrong with that? America is the greatest nation on earth, judged by any number of standards (wealth and freedom, for instance, with the latter being an idea that people here claim to hold in high regard). Canada would benefit greatly from being more like its neighbour to the south. The only other country that I can think of that comes close to America in some respects, is tough, brave little Israel – which, coincidentally, has mandatory military service (which doesn’t seem to have ruined its younger generations). This anti-American hate/jealousy thing is tiresome and something that I would expect from progressives, but not conservatives: it makes we Canadians seem petty and mean.
commented 2017-02-16 10:46:38 -0500
Mandatory military service is contrary to the interests of a smaller and limited government. Discipline for youth should come from home. Faith Goldy is a typical “tea party” hypocrite with an ideology full of contradictions. People like her say they believe in smaller and limited government but they want the power of government to enforce a moral agenda (outlaw abortion, conscription, replace science class with bible study telling us how to live)
commented 2017-02-16 10:44:18 -0500
Sorry Faith but the armed forces of Canada are not a ‘social engineering’ tool. From the point of view of the men and women who serve, you are asking them to depend on a ‘gang-banger’ who doesn’t want to be in the services in the first place, to ‘have their back’, as they say. You have to be particularly brave to place your life in the hands of another and our service people do it every day. They shouldn’t be asked to depend on ‘drug dealers’, ‘gang-bangers’ and other assorted thugs to act as part of the team of which they do not want to be a part.

Bad idea. VERY bad idea.
commented 2017-02-16 10:42:16 -0500
Tell us Jack what is Canada all about?
commented 2017-02-16 10:39:43 -0500
Yes, have had this conversation with others that have been in the military and others, too. I think this is a perfect idea, Faith! Now, I’ve heard that this is mandatory in places like Hungary and Israel! Very, good idea!
commented 2017-02-16 10:32:36 -0500
Chris,

Of course they haven’t served. It’s so easy to tell OTHER people what they should be doing.

Unless Faith is willing to take 9 months off from The Rebel and her put her money where her mouth is, she really needs to shut the fuck up. Of course that would never happen – can’t muss up that hair and makeup.
commented 2017-02-16 10:27:22 -0500
Mandatory military service – so fucking delusional and completely against what Canada is all about.

It sounds to me like Faith really wants to be an American, because she’s certainly talking like one as opposed to a true Canadian.

I think Faith would get along quite well with Sarah Palin.
commented 2017-02-16 10:18:41 -0500
“Mandatory military service would do ‘triggered’ boys and girls some good”

Well, yes. But just like all the talk about Alberta separating, while the arguments could be made that it would be a good thing, it ain’t going to happen.
commented 2017-02-16 10:09:24 -0500
Of course, Fluffy, and Muffy, and Toughie would have to be the leaders. Not just some crude grunt!
commented 2017-02-16 10:06:51 -0500
I support a two year mandatory service, no exceptions. Start when Trudeau kids hit 17. Seeing a Trudeau in uniform would certainly be a sight.
commented 2017-02-16 09:33:28 -0500
Sorry Faith, I’m totally with Liza & Chris on this one!
commented 2017-02-16 09:33:02 -0500
Ahhhh, the implication from Chris is, “If you have not served, you do not have the right to suggest others do.”

Hogwash
commented 2017-02-16 09:26:43 -0500
Did you serve, Faith? Has anyone at The Rebel?
commented 2017-02-16 09:11:39 -0500
Like that will ever fly in this country. People have no confidence our politicians won’t continue to send us into ridiculous situations. Patriotism is one thing, fodder for the whim of leaders is quite another. I like the idea in theory, but not to fight stupid wars we have no business in. It works in Switzerland, but then they mind their own business.
commented 2017-02-16 09:04:42 -0500
Yes, for sure! Mandatory military service would be real good for all people, especially the current generation of wimpy snowflakes going through college and university right now … and I am sure those in up and coming from grade school too. It will toughen them up and make them realize what life is really about.