August 05, 2015

What's the real reason SK postal workers don't want to deliver this graphic pro-life flyer?

Brian LilleyArchive

I've been reporting for some time that Canada's unions are working to get rid of Harper, and want either Trudeau or Muclair to take his place.


Here's their latest move:

The Canadian Centre for Bioethical Reform is sending out graphic pro-life flyers as part of their campaign.

So the Union of Canadian Postal Workers is complaining that their Saskatchewan members are being forced to deliver this flyer.

They claim they're concerned about how their customers will react to them, but given what we know, is that really all there is to it?

I'm not necessarily a fan of these kinds of graphic anti-abortion images, but if Justin Trudeau doesn't want to be associated with them, maybe he shouldn't be pushing the pro-abortion position so strongly.

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commented 2015-08-07 16:52:16 -0400

That’s fantastic, but it will NEVER happen as most Canadians and Americans for that matter agree with me.
commented 2015-08-07 16:43:02 -0400

Well it’s unfortunate that my amusing you makes it so you dodge comments and questions.
commented 2015-08-07 16:20:11 -0400
Da Silva, “Waa, waaa, waaaa. You’re stupid.” Good argument coming from a moron such as yourself. I don’t care what reasons a woman gives for having an abortion it is wrong period. If this hurts pro choice people’s feelings I really don’t care. I’m speaking up for the life in the womb that is about to be sucked out and smashed up. Abortion on demand needs to be criminalized then this disgusting argument on the abortion issue wouldn’t be happening.
commented 2015-08-07 16:09:46 -0400
Jimmy said: “If you are not against abortions, then why the fuck are you debating me?” It amuses me to draw out your profanity laden twisted personality into the open for others to see. A picture is worth a thousand words, or so they say……………
commented 2015-08-07 13:37:06 -0400
And again, Terry is right. Especially with point B. They are doing more harm to themselves and the conservative party as opposed to their goal of generating a backlash against Trudeau.
commented 2015-08-07 13:36:08 -0400
Jason: you sound surprised.
commented 2015-08-07 12:57:43 -0400
Terry, oddly enough, I agree with point “A” that you made. Point “B” kinda, sorta…
commented 2015-08-07 09:53:12 -0400
Frank, if that’s the logic, it’s very poor strategic thinking. I would think that a smarter goal would be generating political support through a “voice of reason” campaign for a “chink in the armour” legislative precedent, rather than alienating and angering potential but currently uncommitted supporters. From my discussions with advocates, I get the feeling that the bloody foetus campaigns have more to do with campaigners venting their own anger than with actually strategically trying to make legislative changes.
commented 2015-08-07 08:57:51 -0400
“Anti-abortion campaigners haven’t yet figured out that graphic images may sicken people, but the anger they generate is usually directed at the person who’s sending them.”

They may consider that an acceptable risk. “If only a few more lives are saved, it’s worth it” kind of thing.
commented 2015-08-07 07:53:01 -0400
To return to the topic – while I agree that these flier are vile, the union workers are, in my opinion, wrong in refusing to deliver them, for two reasons.
a) It’s their job. If items are legally and appropriate posted, and if the consignment doesn’t violate any laws, then it’s a postman’s responsibility. If a JP refused to perform a legal same sex marriage because of his/her moral views, I’d tell them they have every right to their beliefs, but they have no right to hold a job that their beliefs won’t let them perform. Same consideration applies here.
b) The campaign itself is an exceptionally bad idea. Anti-abortion campaigners haven’t yet figured out that graphic images may sicken people, but the anger they generate is usually directed at the person who’s sending them. The famous “foetusmobile” – a bus bedecked with pictures of aborted foetuses and driven to schools by antiabortion activists – was finally pulled off the road for just that reason. But the message doesn’t seem to have gotten through. And this gratuitous linking of abortion imagery with Trudeau is even more vulgar. I say let’em do it – they’re losing on both counts.
commented 2015-08-06 22:57:01 -0400

I never said I didn’t believe you. You have to forgive me – I follow American politics very closely as well.

People cannot get abortions up to seconds before birth:

I am totally fed up with “lawyered” assertions that totally misrepresent the facts. While in Canada we do not have a law, we do have very strict professional guidelines. No physician in Canada can terminate a pregnancy over 24 weeks without serious indications that the life of the mother is at risk or that the fetus has very serious malformations. I have sat with these women as they received the terrible news and sat with them throughout the terrible long, tear-drenched process. The assertion that late-term abortions can be performed “for any reason, or no reason at all” is just not true.

Dr. Carolyn Bennett,
commented 2015-08-06 22:33:58 -0400
Jimmy, if you do not believe me that there is no law on abortion, look it up. And you are right in your sarcastic response, people can get abortions up to seconds before birth.

The very fact that you seem jubilant about it speak volumes to your character.
commented 2015-08-06 22:32:28 -0400
Baby butchery at taxpayers expense it a bit too much to tolerate when there is a shortage of babies for parents who want to adopt. Besides we need the future taxpayers.
commented 2015-08-06 21:37:53 -0400

Really? Awesome. Abortions at 9 months for everyone!!! Screw what the Canadian Medical Association has to say about abortion.
commented 2015-08-06 21:23:25 -0400
Jimmy said, “Nice dodge there – because you don’t actually have an answer. I am perfectly fine with how things are now with abortion laws,”
Jimmy, you did know, didn’t you that there is no abortion laws in Canada.
commented 2015-08-06 21:09:44 -0400
Joan said: "Phil – how many young women use abortion as a means of birth control? Do you know?
How many use abortion because a child would get in the way of the mother’s lifestyle? Do you know? "

I don’t know about the overall numbers but I do know personally two that have. One has had two abortions to avoid motherhood. I don’t know the overall numbers and I don’t even know if they are tracked. That’s all I know.
commented 2015-08-06 21:04:55 -0400

Nice dodge there – because you don’t actually have an answer. I am perfectly fine with how things are now with abortion laws, so as far I am concerned – nothing needs to change.

If you are not against abortions, then why the fuck are you debating me?
commented 2015-08-06 21:02:29 -0400

The only idiotic comments here are coming from you. I would also add judgemental, since you don’t know why people have made the choice to have abortions. Don’t say sorry, just stop being so fucking stupid. You can be pro-life all you want – but don’t judge others.

You might learn from this:
commented 2015-08-06 20:54:17 -0400
I think people should look at the Canadian Fertility numbers. To the best of my knowledge, we are down to 1.6 per family. 1.2 is the point of no return, in other words the Race will die out. This dose not include Muslims, with their four Wife’s. The end result is ‘Islamic Canada.’ What is your view on that, all you Pro Abortionist’s.
commented 2015-08-06 18:53:44 -0400
Jimmy said: “You are against abortions” Really? Where did I say that, or are you being disingenious again? I am going to throw your question back at you. “So what is the solution that would make you happy?” Answer please. Show us all just how insensitive you are.
commented 2015-08-06 18:28:09 -0400
Jimmy presents a solid argument against pro life by calling me crazy and lots of people are pro choice. Think first weirdo with the garbage mouth before you write anymore idiotic comments. Gee I’m so sorry I may have hurt pro choicers by saying ripping apart their offspring is the same as being a psychotic murderer. It is what it is.
commented 2015-08-06 17:51:37 -0400
Countless people are pro-choice Cathy – are we all psychotic murderers?

The reality is that your post below is fucking crazy. Tell me, how would you stop abortion exactly beyond ranting like a lunatic.
commented 2015-08-06 17:39:18 -0400
I agree with the delivery of these graphic pro life flyers. Somebody has to get the message out that abortion is wrong and needs to be stopped. An unborn baby is not part of a pregnant woman’s body. This is an individual life who is developing in their mother’s womb. These people becoming pregnant who don’t wish to be pregnant have to suck it up. Carry the baby for 9 months and then either keep the baby (people can change their minds) or give the baby up for adoption. Who in their right mind could even for 1 minute think about ripping to pieces their own flesh and blood baby in the beginning stages of life? I’ll tell you who, they’re known as psychotic murderers. Mental hospitals for the criminally insane are full of them.
commented 2015-08-06 16:34:33 -0400

Why not – conservatives take the bible literally when it suits them.

Why is the question ridiculous. You are against abortions – so if it was all up to you, what would you do about abortion and the laws regarding abortion. Because you do realize that legal or illegal – abortions will never stop. So what is the solution that would make you happy?

Pretty simple question. If you don’t like how things are now – what would you do if it was all up to you or what would you like Stephen Harper to do regarding abortion.
commented 2015-08-06 16:30:59 -0400

Translation – you have nothing, but tears for all the fetuses.

Conservatives are great for condemning and calling people sick and evil, but they don’t actually have a plan or solution for anything.
commented 2015-08-06 16:30:42 -0400
Jimmy said: “Even the bible states that LIFE BEGINS AT THE FIRST BREATH.” And the world was formed in 7 days. Do you take that literally too?
Jimmy said: “So what you suggest happen regarding abortions?” The question is ridulous as it is so open ended. Be more specific.
commented 2015-08-06 16:14:27 -0400
Jimmy I have said before that I do not get into pissing contests with skunks. So let that be my answer to you.
commented 2015-08-06 15:44:08 -0400

My views are based on scientific studies. Do you think they just pulled the 20 weeks out of their ass when the made the laws?

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:7

So if it was all up to you, what would you do about abortion and the laws regarding abortion. Because you do realize that legal or illegal – abortions will never stop. So what is the solution that would make you happy?
commented 2015-08-06 15:21:45 -0400
Sorry about the double post. I’m not sure how it happened.
commented 2015-08-06 15:21:20 -0400
“Even the bible states that LIFE BEGINS AT THE FIRST BREATH. I trust many of you follow the bible”. Could you quote me scripture and verse please, Jimmy. Because I’ve read the Bible several times, and I don’t recall that verse. However, I do recall reading Psalm 139, verses 13 & 14: “For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made”. Face it, Jimmy, your position isn’t based on sound science or evidence, but on emotion. I’m not saying emotion doesn’t play a roll in my position either, but in the final analysis, my conclusion has to be based on logic, common sense and scientific evidence. I would never be able to defend my position otherwise. I presented the extreme examples in my last post simply to point out the logical incoherence of your position. I don’t expect to change your mind, Jimmy. I suspect you’re a rather close-minded person, and no one could ever change your mind, no matter how sound their argument. I’m not talking about thinking that you’re right and those who disagree with you are wrong. Hell, everybody does that. What I mean is being open-minded, Jimmy. That’s the capacity to embrace the possibility that you might be wrong, even while believing you’re right. I’ve always tried to be open to that possibility, Jimmy. I’m ready to be convinced that I’m wrong, but you present no evidence, Jimmy, so how can I take you seriously? Again, I go back to my opening request, Scripture and verse please.