October 05, 2015

A gun registry by any other name: That's what Trudeau, Mulcair are vowing

Brian LilleyArchive

Despite protestations, we now know that a Liberal government will essentially bring back a gun registry.

Just read the Liberal platform released today, to find out. Make sure to read between the lines though otherwise you could misunderstand his plans for law-abiding gun owners.

Tom Mulcair and the NDP aren't much different. He has actually said it but likes to add that they'll do it differently than the Liberals did.

We’ve had a long hard fight to get some sanity restored to our gun control laws in this country. I’d say there is still plenty to do but if this election goes the wrong way, all the progress of the last few years and any hope for further progress will be lost.

Tell your friends, post this video to Facebook, Twitter, email it to your gun club buddies and let them know the truth about Trudeau and Mulcair before it is too late.


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commented 2015-10-11 10:34:34 -0400
Glenn: I wonder how liberals would feel about abortion (fetal homicide) if it was performed with a handgun instead of forceps ?
commented 2015-10-09 05:42:08 -0400
I wonder how Liberals would feel if their participation in golf was subject to review by a feminist commitee.
commented 2015-10-08 10:59:31 -0400
Marce – The shooting sports are very healthy in Canada – we have more people who want to shoot competitively than we have ranges, and the ranges that are operating are filled to capacity and turning members away – firearms sports shooting is in a growth curve which exposes a new generation of people to the disciplines, skill and pleasures of precision competitive shooting but we are limited in our ability to accommodate the increase – there in lies a key dilemma. C 68 put in place a regulatory regime which covers everything from handling, storage, ammunition, transport and end use to the construction and certification of shooting facilities – extensive invasion into what was provincial jurisdiction in licencing and inspecting shooting ranges. I belive it was quite cinically done to strangle the so-called “gun culture” that these legislating paranoids fear so much from the US culture – Of course the reality is Canadian competitive shooting culture is a world away from the culture of its US name sake. But that does not matter to these leftist politicos who shiver as pee fills theirshoes every time "gun culture: is mentioned.

The end result is that they made the restrictions and requirements so rigid for building a new range, few clubs can comply (they use NATO military specs) so growth of outdoor facilities has not kept pace with the growth of the sport – Harper did nothing to correct this either. So the condescending big brother attitude toward sport shooting exists in bureaucratic circles only. The paranoia about Canadian citizens gaining shooting skills is so thick in Ottawa you can cut it with a knife – yet they seem unconcerned about true security and public safety issues like applicant screening for work permit immigration.
commented 2015-10-08 09:57:23 -0400
First of all, I’ve loathed the LIberal Party of Canada all my life. I detested Trudeau the Elder and now I have his cub to put up with. I recently got back into the shooting sports after a hiatus of about 25 years. As was before the lefties are squealing away about gun ownership uttering half truths and lies to gain their will. If you said comparable things about any other group, you’d be labelled a bigot by the so called “enlightened ones”. Perhaps if I wore a niqab when I took the trusty 44 out they could learn to love me.
commented 2015-10-08 09:19:39 -0400
Ken, exactly. I suffer from ptsd , doctors put me on all kinds of anti-anxiety drugs and I just could not function on them. It took me a year and a half to wean myself from that poison. I finally got into the Operational Stress Institute and with “talk therapy” I’m now on the right track and I owe those guys my life.
I read that Mercer also was autistic and that his mother bought most of his firearms, sad sad sad.
commented 2015-10-08 08:59:52 -0400
While the mainstream media persists in blaming guns for the latest mass shootings such as the one recently committed by Oregon shooter Christopher Mercer, little emphasis is placed on the fact that this shooting along with many/most other previous mass shootings throughout he US were committed by individuals who had mental health issues and were on various drugs such as sleep aids and psychiatric medications.

Mercer posted on facebook, “I have a pill bottle with like five types of pills mixed in. I don’t know which ones are the sleep aids, so I just took four of each."

There’s a website dedicated to Psych drug shooters that media and gun control pundits including politicians such as Trudeau and Mulcair should consider before advocating a long gun registry.

The greatest threat to our health and overall wellbeing is not guns but rather the f…n socialistic conventional healthcare system and their toxic disruptive drugs. If one gets drawn into the conventional health care system’s treatment protocol, you end up like a deer surrounded by a pack of wolves.
commented 2015-10-07 23:45:52 -0400
JT’s “strong middle class” is a lie. Both the Liberals and the NDP will begin confiscating legal gun owners’ firearms if either or both of them become government on Oct.19. They want no resistance to their socialist tyranny state.
commented 2015-10-07 22:08:44 -0400
This is a further notice to any troll I find on ANY thread I find interesting……in the matter of the skill called “rhetoric”…….I am a God of War……fuck with me and you will feel my wrath
commented 2015-10-07 22:06:06 -0400
This is a notice to All trolls on ALL threads…..

Ask your self…..what is it that trolling on this site is supposed to achieve?

Do you honestly think that your silver tongues will actually change the vote of any member or reader of this forum?
commented 2015-10-07 16:36:15 -0400
Bill – you should run for PM. I’d vote for you based on your last post alone.
commented 2015-10-07 13:23:40 -0400
Rose215 commented – “I am with those who are concerned about the UN implementing its globalist one-world government agenda. The Liberal Plan seems to be in lock-step with that.”

You don’t have to be a tinfoil global conspiracy nut to see the realities of what the UN is doing today – it tries to keep this vast, expensive, corrupt pork barrel for globalist bureaucrats afloat by injecting itself into member states as a 4th layer of government – it goes beyond resolving conflicts (it has a sad record of putting despots an tyrants in positions of authority in its structure) to the more recent interference in the domestic law of sovereign states.

I have watched and read the drafts of the UN small arms treaty groups and the main thrust of these UN arms treaties is civilian disarmament by restricting/banning the sporting firearms and the firearms sports industry in free western democracies – again through regulatory attrition by regulating out of reach anything short of black powder muzzle loaders. In all the UN small arms treaties the primary firearms affected were common sporting arms and ammunition in the homes of millions of nonviolent citizens in the free western democracies – the 3 permanent members of the UN security council, US, Russia and China continue to represent 90% of the military small arms industry responsible for producing the weapons which fuel the illegal arms trade – and they refuse to sign any UN small arms treaty.

So the way this shakes out is the UN will steal uncle Fudd’s duck guns or Bob Podunk’s moose rifle or ban the guns our Olympic competitors use but the billions of full auto military small arms which arm despotic governments and terrorists around the globe are given a pass – make of it what you will – conspiracy, contrived dystopia or just plain detached bureaucratic hypocrisy – but there it is.

On a wider more historic perspective only purposely disarmed populations have experienced systemic despotism, pogroms, invasion or government inflicted holocausts – the old English adage that a man with a weapon is a citizen but a man without a weapon is a slave is as true of Rome, and all the despotic empires that followed as it is today. The reason “Britons never ever ever will be slaves” comes from the unique heritage of the armed British yeoman – Switzerland (which is the oldest free democracy on earth) is based in the principle of the armed citizen as a bulwark to civil and national liberty. But in our era self-destructive pacifism and submissiveness damaging political ideologies have produced populations who willingly give up their right and duty to self defense and personal and national security – and with it goes their true civil liberty and personal security bit by bit..
commented 2015-10-07 12:20:25 -0400
Kelvin Grabowsky commented – “I heard Matt Drudge today say that if these leaders would drop their guns that they have protecting them maybe the citizens would stop buying guns to protect themselves FROM them.”

I have been saying this forever – when I’m met with this invalid argument of the need for civil disarmament (actually camouflage for prohibiting justified armed personal self defense by the plebs) . It lays bare the hypocrisy of the ruling class and makes their police state agenda visible. If they want a national gun free zone they can start by declaring parliament a gun free zone – no armed guards for the potentates ( se it was all so proper for them to disarm the military honor guard at the national cenotaph and watch him be helplessly butchered as a sacrifice to gun control, but when the Jihadi came through the parliament doors he was met with armed self defense – something they denied to that dead soldier – extend the national gun free zone to their living quarters and openly advertise that they are proudly unarmed and live in a armed self-defense free zone – how long would they last? ;-0

They know that this is another case of legislated poor security for you but uber armed security for them –it also proves that contrary to the anti-gun rhetoric they spew, the gremlins and bad guys are only deterred by armed self-defense and not misapplied anti-gun dogmatism.
commented 2015-10-07 11:50:57 -0400
Kelvin Grabowsky commented – “Mulcair has mentioned a number of times throughout this election that he would not have a liberal style gun control plan, but that he would like to see cities and municipalities invoke their own gun laws . Is that legal?”

Kelvin, the short answer is no, The more detailed anser is that it is an unconstitutional breech of jurisdiction – they have no authority to regulate firearms. There was a reference question put to the supreme court to decide this and they ruled it was federal jurisdiction (even though the power to regulate chattle property is an exclusive provincial right) but that is a matter for another discussion on SCC integrity. Authoritarian-left politicos never follow what is lawful or constitutional – they operate on “color of law” legislating – that is; if it seems politically expedient to your agenda you color it legal. I would say that a constitutionally hostile city administration could attempt to regulate firearms possession terms ( by creating these silly gun free zones) and wait for constituents to react with a writ then take them to fedral court – thenthey would drop it if the backlash looked too great – but the treacherous authoritarian coldly calculates the common Canadian political apathy extends to those being damaged by draconian by-law oppression will do little – that they will roll over for it without a fight like Canadians did with the GST. That is a mistake which will be their political undoing because they set themselves up for civil action to retrieve damages from affected constituents, which they will have rate payers fund – that ill have wider backlash. Oppressed firearms owners have proven NOT to be your average submissive simpering urban eunuchs. Injunctions and civil actions will ensue.

You could also understandably take this to mean Mulcair was signalling to hunting/firearms hostile city politicos that IF they did engage in a constitutional breech and regulate firearms, his justice dept. would do nothing to interfere.

Bottom line is you can’t trust any politician or bureaucrat who does not trust a law abiding citizen to possess a firearm. History is replete with cases where civilian disarmament is the litmus test between slavery and despotism and freedom.
commented 2015-10-06 21:52:46 -0400
I’m getting a little nervous about “TPP”. When an animal is baited, it is usually fed a little bit to draw it in, before it is dispatched, one last fateful meal.

I know it could deliver a lot of benefits for consumers, but I think that may be the bait. Will not be surprised to find the internet restrictions, “climate change” regulations, and arms trade treaty provisions unveilled after it is ratified (at the United Nations).

Tom Mulcair openly opposes TPP because he doesn’t have to beat around the bush so much. The man will not lose votes for openly announcing he’s pro-gun confiscation, that he’s pro-carbon tax scheme, that he’s pro-censorship, pro-“Arab Spring” and “refugees”. After all, he is the paid pitchman for a socialist political party.

But the ones who will lose votes for openly supporting those dystopian goals, they seem to be using the TPP as a vehicle for implenting them.

Then they have plausible deniability, to be able to say “we thought it was only a trade deal” and put up some staged fight against those “obscure” provisions… Ultimately losing that fight, or temporarily succeeding to stall them, while leaving the door open for future abuse by those who are openly leftists in government.

Bottom line is that if this agreement were truly a good deal, it would not be done in secret. We’re seeing the same behavior as was done in 1913 with the creation of the Federal Reserve… Closed-door negotations taking place in Georgia for the benefit of private banking interests.

And while they arm Al-Qaeda to kill Christians and overthrow secular leaders, they look at you with a straight face and say YOU can’t be trusted to own a gun.
commented 2015-10-06 17:49:32 -0400
Btw Bill, I heard Matt Drudge today say that if these leaders would drop their guns that they have protecting them maybe the citizens would stop buying guns to protect themselves FROM them.
commented 2015-10-06 17:42:59 -0400
Rose215, interesting stuff, goes with what has happened in Alberta going back to Ed Stelmac with Redford in his cabinet. She was a lawyer at the UN . And swiftly ruined the PC party culminating in the cluster of boneheads that we have now, which btw are also UN propagandists. Even if Harper wins the country is being destroyed province by province. I also believe that there is a globalists agenda at foot to enslave us all that the left seems to relish.
That is why if we as a country can’t pull away from this tyranny then we have to start at the grass roots town by town city by city municipality and so on. I know there are leaders out there they just have to be woken up. Brad Wall comes to mind but I know there is lots more.
commented 2015-10-06 17:08:54 -0400
I am with those who are concerned about the UN implementing its globalist one-world government agenda. The Liberal Plan seems to be in lock-step with that. The Libs have always been big supporters of the UN which at this point is encroaching on national sovereignty in a range of ways. There is currently talk of a UN police force in US cities. It is easy to ignore this stuff and call it paranoia. That is exactly why the powers that be manage to push a sinister agenda forward while people are not paying attention. Lord Monkton has a video out there indicating that some representative from the UN told him point blank that there were a couple of people interfering with their agenda and they would be got rid of. The two were Tony Abbot (recently replaced with a UN friendly leftist due to machinations in his party) and Stephen Harper. Harper was to be got rid of in the “upcoming” (now in play) Canadian election. Anyone who values Canadian sovereignty need to vote Conservative. With the Libs or the NDP, we are goners.
commented 2015-10-06 15:53:34 -0400
Jason muses_ " Bill my man – you don’t need my help with that. This high brow group is doing a fine job themselves."
In many cases I can’t argue against that Jason. ;-)

As concerns the topic at hand, I am infinitely familiar with the liberal gun laws (C-68), it’s abuses, the players who put them in place and their (candid) stated intent. I will sum up 30 years of liberal justice department tinkering with gun control in one sentence; contrived civil disarmament through regulatory attrition and subsequent police state subjugation of non compliance – limited democracy and truncated civil liberty is also a recurring theme in these legal control mechanics think tanks of administrative functionaries.

with the gun laws they took a fully functioning non-criminalizing certification system and they set up a federal criminal regulatory regime which has the force of criminal law over paperwork and personal interpretive misdemeanour – they criminalized the mere non criminal possession of a sporting firearm. Possession only under licence (a government vended permit to break the law) and under conditions defined in regulations -ALL result in criminal defense charges, presumed guilt, no defense of due diligence and ALL result in huge legal expense or seizure of the firearms, ALL petty infraction convictions carry the option of prohibition orders. It was designed to be a death by a thousand cuts, an unescapable legal trap in which any interface with police (regardless how casual) results in investigation, fishing trips and domicile search/inspection on no suspicion at all. The police interpretation of “Legal use/display” and “safe storage” in practical application, make it so impossible to fully comply that NO storage or handling method is deemed “safe” enough – combine this with Ottawa appointing anti-gun zealots as local firarms regulatory officials and the subsequent regime of abusive enforcement they oversee and you can witness in action the intent of the law drafters and supporters – think High River gun grab here.

The greatest travesty in all this ideological warfare between control freak statist bureaucrats and lawful firearm owners is that the police have to bear the fallout in public trust and the courts the shame of the wide spread disrepute which this abused control regime has left in the general public. I canvas opinion daily within and without the firearms owning public and trust of police, government and the courts has gone from a vocal backlash during the abuses of the liberal regime to a more seething reflexive distrust and nervous premonition of further abuse from another hostile leftist government – it’s a social/civil powder keg and only a detached fool like Mulcair or Trudeau would even contemplate making things worse – particularly at a point when gun related crime in Canada is at 40 year lows.

But they will, and there is enough circumstantial evidence to convince long oppressed moose hunters and target shooters that left wing government will renew the legislated ideological hostility against them.
commented 2015-10-06 15:29:17 -0400
Sneaky! Sneaky! Sneaky! The Liberals do not credit many people with the ability to read and think critically! Perhaps most of them can’t do that, so they assume all of us can’t! I abhor violence, but I respect the right of every person to have whatever tool is necessary to protect themselves against violence shown towards them. It is not the weapon that kills; it is the person that kills. And, if the person is determined enough, he will use whatever weapon that comes easily to his hand, be it a gun, a knife, a sword, a baseball bat, his/her own fists, a nail file, a rock, a slingshot, etc. Are we to have registries for all of these “weapons”? There is something seriously afoot when the UN (controlled by an increasing number of communist, socialist dictatorships) wants nations in the world to control the weapons inside each respective nation. Is is so that individual nations and their citizens will not have the means to protect themselves against armed invasion? If the Liberals were truly concerned about violent behaviour, they would be increasing the spending into mental health issues. I really have to come to the conclusion that this is political posturing on their part in the hopes of garnering votes! A sad state of affairs!
commented 2015-10-06 14:02:56 -0400
DUCK………………don’t shoot! ………. I meant hide.
commented 2015-10-06 13:27:08 -0400
@ Glen,

Shhhhh – don’t say a word and don’t move – it’s seen you and if you do anything you’ll scare it off….
commented 2015-10-06 12:59:46 -0400
Actually – I still stand but after reading this article maybe I should re think my position. http://mentalfloss.com/article/53154/should-men-sit-down-pee.
Glenn – not sure when I ever said I was voting liberal. The only comment about voting I have made on this site is that I cannot vote for the control freak Harper. I have voted conservative often in the past. I voted conservative in the days they were almost wiped out by Kim Campbell. While everyone jumped ship to the reform party (weren’t they original monickered CRAP).
As for pigeon holing – Bill my man – you don’t need my help with that. This high brow group is doing a fine job themselves.
I had been predicting a Harper minority gov for a while which I thought was a good thing – would lead to a changing of the guard. Check the latest Nanos poll http://www.nanosresearch.com/library/polls/20151004%20Ballot%20TrackingE.pdf
If Harps cant win, eastern Can, Que, or Ontario he is done. I live in a riding that is 100% going conservative but Harps is dying a slow death in the GTA. sorry team teabaggers – looks like a Trudeau minority. And you know what – he wont bring back the gun registry.
commented 2015-10-06 12:20:26 -0400
None of it addresses the problem that is the crim’s are still going to have guns. It is a stupid band-aide for votes and its about disarming the masses. The problems come from societal sickness and dysfunction.
Speaking of which, Bill, I’m sure Jason is more careful than that, he probably sits.
commented 2015-10-06 11:10:46 -0400
Trudeau and the Liberal Gang are just trying to protect their Muslim supporters. A natural reaction, from idiots.
commented 2015-10-06 10:51:19 -0400
Well that Jasn R feller’s silver evangelical tongue has certainly inspired me to vote Liberal…..Hell I feel baptised in the Holy Spirit….Why I might just roll around on the floor and speak in tongues….I do know a few choice words in Gaelic…and when I’m done holy rolling I think I just might ask that pretty little poison snake for a dance…..HALLELUYA I HAVE SEEN THE LIBERAL LIGHT!!!!PRAISE JUSTIN THE SON OF GOD THE SAVIOR OF CANADA…..

Could I hear an AMEN?………..Just kidding ………………:-)
commented 2015-10-06 10:31:13 -0400
The troll croaks- " You teaparty conservatives " – ha! that was certainly worth the price of admission to the geek show. Never had a Conservative party membership never want one. Pathetic attempt at political pigeon holing – but then pathetic is the troll’s only personal skill – no knowledge of subject, no experience, just a Freudian repressed sexual impulse about tea bagging.

So Francis, seems we are dealing with something that has never owned a firearm, has no idea how to use one responsibly, probably could not pass a background check (judging by the mental instability displayed here) and who still pees on the rim of the urinal due to physical dimensional challenges.
commented 2015-10-06 10:08:15 -0400
Francis, that’s to funny especially if you read it using an Aussie accent, lmao
commented 2015-10-06 10:05:08 -0400
Mimicry – the last resort of the paid internet troll.

It’s starting to feel like an episode of Wild Kingdom in here…. "Witness the troll in it’s native habitat – the comments section of an internet blog. This particular troll is a fairly rare breed but not yet fully mature – unable to shed its over used and aged facade and talk past its set script it struggles to find a place in the comments section of a thread it thought would be easy pickings. Unable to feed like it had planned It thrashes about wildly – making less and less sense as the clock ticks knowing that unless it builds some consensus soon its time here will have been wasted and its true nature will become apparent to even the less astute observers in the room. Let’s settle in quietly and observe this rare creature – if we are careful and do not disturb it too much it will provide us with a wealth of information that would otherwise be unavailable in the classroom….. shhhh…. let us observe….
commented 2015-10-06 09:57:29 -0400
Mulcair has mentioned a number of times throughout this election that he would not have a liberal style gun control plan, but that he would like to see cities and municipalities invoke their own gun laws . Is that legal? And what kind of ramifications would come from such laws. If say I was driving though Calgary and it was a gun free zone and I got pulled over at a check stop and had a rifle would I then be arrested? Even if I came from a municipality that allowed guns? But was passing through to go hunting elsewhere? Now that Richard is some tin foil helmet shit right there. I’m pretty sure that if Mulcair or Trudeau was to win that the west would have to separate from the rest of Canada. People here can only tolerate so much and if it means that so called “tea baggers” have to huddle up on mass to save ourselves from tyrannical rule well so be it.
It wasn’t long ago that when the gun registration was passed as law that Klien said that Albertans would not be a part of it ( that was a pipe dream mind you because we have a federal police force) but none the less he said it and all gun owners thanked him for it at the ballot box. This issue will never go away with the progressives along with the many issues and manifestos that will take away our rights and freedoms. I hate to say this but I foresee very dark times in our future as long as these globalists are to become our rulers.