October 05, 2015

A gun registry by any other name: That's what Trudeau, Mulcair are vowing

Brian LilleyArchive

Despite protestations, we now know that a Liberal government will essentially bring back a gun registry.

Just read the Liberal platform released today, to find out. Make sure to read between the lines though otherwise you could misunderstand his plans for law-abiding gun owners.

Tom Mulcair and the NDP aren't much different. He has actually said it but likes to add that they'll do it differently than the Liberals did.

We’ve had a long hard fight to get some sanity restored to our gun control laws in this country. I’d say there is still plenty to do but if this election goes the wrong way, all the progress of the last few years and any hope for further progress will be lost.

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commented 2015-10-05 23:17:36 -0400
A history lesson: Allan Rock, Wendy Cukier, Ecole Polytechnique. Ring any bells? I was a reporter working in Wainwright at the time, which could be considered anti-gun-control central at the time. I’m from Preeceville, SK originally, which was home to the first huge gun rally. I went to several as a reporter, interviewed a lot of people over it. You can cry about whatever Kim Campbell did all day, there’s nothing you can say that will convince a single person alive and concerned with this issue at the time that it was anything but a Liberal concept. Conservatives everywhere hated this, and still do. I’ve met a lot of people who wear the t-shirt: “The government can have my guns when they can pry them from my cold dead fingers” and they mean it. Try something else, that argument just doesn’t cut it here.
commented 2015-10-05 23:07:12 -0400
Next will be eugenics, Linda
commented 2015-10-05 22:59:33 -0400
Disarm the populace and tax everything they do, buy or sell.
Encourage dependency on the state for out lives and safety .
Sounds like oppression to me.
commented 2015-10-05 22:29:59 -0400
Marc Lepine ‘s act of violence was in 1989 – that was Mulroney’s era. Kim Campbell was minister of Justice and brought in C17 in 1991. Bill C68 was 1995 under the rule of Jean Chretien. Those are the facts jack.
commented 2015-10-05 22:25:57 -0400
And Princess – C67 is banking I think. You are talking about C68?
commented 2015-10-05 22:01:14 -0400
Jason R — you wrote: The birth of the Canadian long-gun registry began with the federal Progressive Conservative Party under Prime Minister Kim Campbell. It was the child of former Conservative Senator Nathan Nurgitz, who wrote then-Prime Minister Campbell requesting all guns be registered. – that was 1990. Didn’t the conservative and reform *merge after that?? hmmm – interesting. *

I’d like to see your documentation on that. The gun registry that the rest of us are familiar with (Bill C-67) was brought about by Minister Alan Rock of the Liberal Party of Canada, in direct result to Marc Lepine’s brutal attack on L’Ecole Polytechnique, under the “rule” of then-PM Jean Chretien.
commented 2015-10-05 21:42:25 -0400
Family wealth Eltist Justin Trudeau is just as much a gun Grabber as Thomas Mukcair is!
If you enjoy sportsmen hunting or have livestock to care for or are farming and living in rural area or belong to a Gun Club the Liberal Trudeau is not for you either!
commented 2015-10-05 21:38:42 -0400
@francis Marion – I know a dead horse is not very good, but if you harness a bunch of them together, it appears to make sensible policies to socialists.
commented 2015-10-05 21:36:15 -0400
Guy – I defer to your knowledge of guns. we probably would both enjoy a day the Colt gun range. For all my years of handling rifles (not sure on the long gun name?) I have never fired a pistol.
My point about the long gun registry – I see no proof that JT or TM want to bring it back. That’s a road they don’t want to go down in a nation were we have a very healthy respect for the power of guns. I felt the cost of the gun registry was nuts but when it was originally announced, I had no problem. That’s all. It’s getting hard to stay focused though with all the comedy being spouted by Francis – you are kind of like an angrier Rosie O’donnell – all that hatred.
commented 2015-10-05 21:36:07 -0400
@jason R – I guess it seemed like you made a spurious comment about never being able to use a gun that was not registered because there was nowhere to use one because you live in a Gestapo Province. Out in the wild wild west we are not used to getting Boot Stepped on, I guess it takes some acclimation.
commented 2015-10-05 21:32:35 -0400
@ Guy et al.

When you feed them you just encourage them…
commented 2015-10-05 21:31:09 -0400
@jason R – Sorry, but never met an MRN in all my years of hunting in Alberta or Saskatchewan. Only time I ever had an interaction with a Fish and Wildlife Officer in an official capacity was when he checked my license when I was fishing around 1980. Must be different in Ontario.
commented 2015-10-05 21:30:22 -0400
Guy said, "BTW I don’t know about Peter but I was raised around long guns used for predators, pests and hunting. "

I was also raised around guns. I do not use one, but I fully support those who do and I am against any form of the long gun registry. I have many family members and friends that have guns and all of them have all of the training and licenses and are very responsible gun owners.
commented 2015-10-05 21:27:32 -0400
What gun culture in the United States? Are you referring to places like Chicago and Washington, DC where until recently guns were banned but are still under very strict laws concerning their legal acquisition and possession and that these areas are head and shoulders above much of the rest of that country in terms of violent crime? Or are you referring to Vermont where permits to carry open or concealed handguns have never been required and that their other laws pertaining to firearms have always been very casual, accompanied by some of the lowest violent crime rates in the Western world (a lot like Switzerland)? In Texas where in 1995 concealed handgun permits were made more easily to obtain by law abiding citizens, gun control activists predicted spikes in shootouts and other handgun related mayhem. Instead, murder and other violent crime in Texas dropped to rates not seen since the late 1950s, causing some politicians and senior law enforcement officials to publicly admit that they were wrong in their opposition to the concealed carry law.
commented 2015-10-05 21:26:55 -0400
This subject is old and has been beaten like a dead horse over and over and over again.

Go away troll – no one wants to hear about what a hero you are in the woods with your rifle and how you grew up on a farm and blah blah blah – same shit – different board.
commented 2015-10-05 21:26:06 -0400
Jason said, “Be a responsible gun owner. Be a responsible hunter. Respect the power of a gun. That is all I am saying. True gun enthusiast are fearful of idiots (in the woods specifically during hunting seasons) with guns.”

Okay, so how does the registry resolve these things?
commented 2015-10-05 21:24:57 -0400
@jason R – You are right, they broke into every house and business even if there was no flood damage anywhere near the facility and then came back a number of times to do more thorough searches and to breach safes and all without a warrant or gun registry. What do you think they would do with a registry? Probably daily home invasions under Mulcair or Trudeau.
BTW I don’t know about Peter but I was raised around long guns used for predators, pests and hunting. I took Hunter Training and Conservation courses and both Current Non-Restricted and Restricted courses. I don’t know if that qualifies for your level of expertise but I know and have all the reference material for legal acquisition, possession, transportation, storage and use of Non-Restricted and Restricted firearms. I also have experience disassembling, cleaning, assembling and using various small arms including some that are now prohibited. I know more about legal storage of firearms than some RCMP and other police officers and constables but that does not stop them from breaching the law and personal rights. Showing them the Brochure published by the RCMP can agitate them but that is why I suggest all gun owners retain copies in places you have guns or ammunition. It is publication Number : CAFC 1238 EF
commented 2015-10-05 21:24:16 -0400
“is that working well for the gun culture in the US.”

The states that have all those guns lying around, as you say, are the states that have the least gun crime rate.
commented 2015-10-05 21:22:33 -0400
Guy – I have done lots of northern ontario hunting – lots. Have you seen the MRN spotter planes flying overhead? Or a troop of them coming over a knoll on their quads? I have stayed at fly in hunting camps and guess what – they are there. I was raised on a farm. Have handled guns all of my life. As hunter’s driver out of the woods they stop all cars inspecting for poachers. Guy – I have some knowledge of Canada – but thanks for getting all Group of 7 on me.
And Christian – Allan Rock was just one man with and opinion. 22 years later I still have my guns.
commented 2015-10-05 21:14:53 -0400
In 1991, Bill C-17 was introduced, coming into force between 1992 and 1994. It required FAC applicants to pass a safety course in addition to a thorough background check, and to wait a minimum of 28 days after applying before an FAC could be issued. It also created new Criminal Code offences, new definitions for prohibited and restricted weapons, and new regulations for firearms dealers. It increased penalties for firearm-related crimes. It clearly outlined regulations for firearms storage, handling and transportation.
commented 2015-10-05 21:11:29 -0400
I am one of those millions of law abiding gun owners. Not sure the point here Peter? I say we keep our guns. I in fact want us to keep our guns. Not sure how the registry stopped that? I’m not comfortable with people having unregistered guns lying around – is that working well for the gun culture in the US. Follow the rules. Be a responsible gun owner. Be a responsible hunter. Respect the power of a gun. That is all I am saying. True gun enthusiast are fearful of idiots (in the woods specifically during hunting seasons) with guns.
commented 2015-10-05 21:10:10 -0400
Bill C-17 has to do with the Foods and Drugs Act. What does that have to do with guns and the registry?
commented 2015-10-05 21:07:13 -0400
@ Guy – don’t feed the troll.
commented 2015-10-05 21:07:05 -0400
Well, here is another history lesson. It was not until 1979 that you needed to produce a Firearms Acquisition Certificate in order to legally purchase a standard hunting rifle or shotgun. Prior to that, you could walk into any decent sporting goods store and show proof that you were of at least sixteen years of age and simply buy such types of guns without any eyebrows being raised. I can remember reading a letter to the Ottawa Citizen from somebody who told a story like this concerning his buying a couple of Lee Enfield rifles at Sears Carlingwood in about 1972. Using Wendy Cukier’s logic as a guide, Canada must have been a very violent place during the years that ones like King, St Laurent, Diefenbaker, Pearson, and Trudeau (in the earlier part of his years as PM) occupied 24 Sussex. Instead, murder and violent crime tended to be at consistent and very low rates until about the early to mid 1970s period.

Jason R., when it came to not just the cost, but that it was also an ineffective way of fighting violent crime and that the debate over registering guns was kicked off by then Justice Minister Allan Rock stating that he came to Parliament Hill in 1993 with the firm belief that only police officers and soldiers were the only ones who should have firearms , I and many other decent and responsible Canadians who owned guns definitely had a problem.
commented 2015-10-05 21:06:15 -0400

I would guess that given the nature and speed of your response that you are paid. That makes you worst kind of troll – one who does it for profit. This means you have no ability to think – just a formula you work with to evoke a particular response and elicit and particular outcome in a conversation. You have no honour, no ability to think for yourself, no ability to look inward and are a shadow of a human being. Franky – I don’t know how people like you live with yourself… mind you they say psychopaths have no sense of right or wrong – so maybe its not your fault. Seek help.
commented 2015-10-05 21:06:05 -0400
@jason R : “Where can you find a place to fire a gun in complete solitude” – Are you friggin’ kidding? Are you aware how vast this Country is? Apparently not! You have know idea how stupid you are about Canada and Hunting! You can literally travel hundreds of miles into the wilderness in Canada and not see or hear another person. Considering the safe distance for discharging a firearm from a road or building is 200m, all you have to do is go outside your metropolitan area, with permission and a license during hunting season, to use a long gun for hunting.
I guess if you are a bred, born and raised city slicker you wouldn’t know about our great Country’s wilderness. The only thing that ever stopped someone from using an unregistered long gun, when the registry was in effect was being caught using one, or being raided. If the registry actually did what it claimed it would, then all the criminals would have had their guns confiscated but guess what, that could never happen and idiots who believed it would are just plain STUPID!
commented 2015-10-05 21:04:40 -0400
But how about those millions of law abiding gun owners that do not kill, are not idiots. Why are people like you so wetting your pants to take away their guns? Are you aware, Jason, that criminals (idiots with guns) do not register their guns? Just asking.
commented 2015-10-05 21:01:41 -0400
Idiots with guns kill.
commented 2015-10-05 21:01:00 -0400
Guns do not kill, Jason. People kill.