November 05, 2017

AB NDP policy on Gay/Straight Alliances undermines parental authority

Ezra LevantRebel Commander

On Friday's show, our Alberta Bureau Chief Sheila Gunn Reid joined me to discuss the Alberta NDP's policy of keeping parents in the dark on their children's involvement in Gay/Straight Alliances. 

Education Minister David Eggen declared it's "dangerous" for parents to know about the extra-curricular activities of their children. Despite parents already being notified when their children join school teams or clubs.

Alberta's faith-based schools are being forced to adhere to an NDP policy that forbids them from approaching sex education and Gay/Straight Alliances through the lens of their religion. Instead, they have to teach these contentious subjects in a Rachel Notley approved manner.

WATCH our discussion to see why Sheila thinks this is part of the NDP's effort to replace parents with teachers.

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commented 2017-11-07 00:53:38 -0500
Andrew, the crusades were a war started by the Muslims invading other countries most significantly, Palestine. The Crusades were intended to drive the muslims out of what they had invaded.

The Church in those times was a mixed bag of truth and error. The reason this is so is because your beloved state took over the Church under Constantine in much the same way Notley wants to take over now and rule over believers. Under state control the Church became a political entity and ceased to be what the earliest church was- a spiritual entity. The is why Martin Luther posted his 95 Theses 500 years ago. To reform the church back to it’s origins. And of course the State could brook no contenders. Much like Notley today and you yourself.
commented 2017-11-07 00:46:43 -0500
ANDREW STEPHENSON
Except it does. Deuteronomy contains several verses advocating for killing those who worship other gods (ie, infidels). This is no different than what the Quran represents.
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No, it doesn’t. The instructions given to the Jews of those times were for them alone, for that time alone and for that purpose alone. Nowhere is it an eternal command.

For the sake of Christianity lets limit ourselves to the New Testament. Where in the NT does it say to kill unbelievers. You want to lump the Abrahamic faiths together but they are not the same. Mohammed came 2500 years after the life of Abraham. Islam claims to be Abrahamic but it is not since Islam has no tie to Judaism, repudiates it and is set to destroy it. Same goes for their repudiation of Christianity.
commented 2017-11-07 00:28:05 -0500
Andrew Stephenson commented 1 day ago
Even better. All children should be protected from “parental authority” when it may be harmful to their well-being. Hostility towards LGBTQ+ youth from their caregivers must never be tolerated.

Must never be tolerated huh? Like you want to “eradicate” it? (a Lefty term that should frighten everyone)
I’ll tell you what we need to “eradicate” Stephenson, it’s communists like you!! When do you plan on making up for the past Stephenson? Huh? When? I demand to know! I want to know when you plan to make up for everything Hitler did, Stalin did, Mao did, Pol Pot did and all the rest of them. Huh? when Stephenson, WHEN?
commented 2017-11-06 22:05:36 -0500
“Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 36 mins ago
Andrew Stephenson, the article quoted the Crusades. You don’t seem to know much about the Crusades, that’s a shame. Most apologists for Islamic violence intentionally cite the Crusades without knowing the history; it’s meant to deflect and shut down conversations.

I agree with Al Peterson’s posts. He has summarized what ails you. "

I believe my comment was actually that there’s no atheist equivalent of the Crusades, regardless of how much you believe them as a “holy war” or not.
commented 2017-11-06 22:04:25 -0500
Al Peterson commented 1 hour ago
And, I reiterate, Atheism has never started a war. People who are atheists might have, but never in the name of atheism itself.
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If atheists started a war which was motivated by their atheistic beliefs how is that different than atheism starting war? Mao killed millions based on his atheistic beliefs. So did Stalin and crew and Hitler and Pol Pot and on and on. It is sophistry to claim other wise.

No moreso than the War on Terror can be attributed to Christianity because GWB went to church. Which is to say, not at all. If you include wars started by Christians, rather than directly attributed to Christian causes, you’ll find the number is far higher. Who introduced smallpox to the new world?

“Al Peterson commented 1 hour ago
Andrew it is interesting and also significant that you agree that the state knows better than parents what is good for children but you dismiss out of hand the comparison to the Soviet Union. You don’t like the obvious bad light it places you in so you just ignore that reality. You are a Soviet sympathizer. "

I dismiss it because it’s an appeal to extremes, rather than a valid argument. No, we’re not on the path to becoming the Soviet Union, and this will not aim us there. Oh, and I was a very young child when the Soviet Union ceased to be an entity that could be sympathized with.

“So, it is high time all you lefties stop dragging this old chestnut out. It does not hold water. But I know you won’t. "

Except it does. Deuteronomy contains several verses advocating for killing those who worship other gods (ie, infidels). This is no different than what the Quran represents. It’s possible, in fact, that the Quranic interpretation was directly influenced by the Old Testament, as all three Abrahamic religions share a common root.
commented 2017-11-06 21:30:45 -0500
Andrew Stephenson, the article quoted the Crusades. You don’t seem to know much about the Crusades, that’s a shame. Most apologists for Islamic violence intentionally cite the Crusades without knowing the history; it’s meant to deflect and shut down conversations.

I agree with Al Peterson’s posts. He has summarized what ails you.
commented 2017-11-06 21:10:25 -0500
Andrew it is interesting and also significant that you agree that the state knows better than parents what is good for children but you dismiss out of hand the comparison to the Soviet Union. You don’t like the obvious bad light it places you in so you just ignore that reality. You are a Soviet sympathizer.
commented 2017-11-06 21:08:21 -0500
ANDREW STEPHENSON
By the way, the Old Testament advocates the same sort of killing of the unrighteous that the Quran does.
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And here we see the third pillar of leftiedom in full flower- the refusal to exercise discernment.

The OT did command the killing of other people. Not because they were “unbelievers” but because they were incredibly evil with activities such as child sacrifice (like our abortion?). It was commanded for a specific reason for a specific time. It was not an everlasting command.

The Koran’s commands to kill unbelievers (not evil doers- although it pictures all unbelievers as evil doers) for all time.

So, it is high time all you lefties stop dragging this old chestnut out. It does not hold water. But I know you won’t.
commented 2017-11-06 21:01:39 -0500
And, I reiterate, Atheism has never started a war. People who are atheists might have, but never in the name of atheism itself.
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If atheists started a war which was motivated by their atheistic beliefs how is that different than atheism starting war? Mao killed millions based on his atheistic beliefs. So did Stalin and crew and Hitler and Pol Pot and on and on. It is sophistry to claim other wise.
commented 2017-11-06 20:17:08 -0500
“First, according to “The Irrational Atheist” by Vox Day, before the 20th century more than 133 million people were killed by genocide, political murders and mass murder, but only about 2.65 million murders (less than 2 percent) were for religious reasons, such as the Christian Crusades, witch-hunts and the Aztecs slaughtering their neighbors, and most of those took place over several centuries”

This is the most interesting comment in there, because it relies on establishing a false dichotomy.

-It identifies religion as the proximal cause for 2.65 million deaths. It does not identify atheism as the proximal cause of any.
– It seems to infer that genocides occurring within “atheist nations” as being the fault of atheism. Beyond the fact that this is misleading (for example, the deaths in China are due to economic reforms, not religious, a recurring theme). Meanwhile no such allusion is made to deaths in Christian nations.

The direct comparison isn’t made (quite crafty, gives a nice bit of plausible deniability) but the intent is clear. He lists two unrelated numbers and lets the reader, who probably reads this piece looking for confirmation of per-existing beliefs and is thus unlikely to give it a critical evaluation, make the inference that atheism is thus deadlier than Christianity. Unfortunately this piece does not contain the information needed to actually make the comparison or any sort of conclusion.

I consider all religious wars to be equally problematic. Christianity does not hold moral high ground here, as by your own acknowledgement of the crusades, it has been used to start holy wars. And, I reiterate, Atheism has never started a war. People who are atheists might have, but never in the name of atheism itself.
commented 2017-11-06 13:33:30 -0500
Andrew Stephenson said in part, “Atheism, meanwhile, condones no holy wars whatsoever.”

ATHEIST LIES: WHO ARE THE REAL MASS KILLERS?
Exclusive: Ted Baehr & Dr. Tom Snyder battle notion religion is source of history’s carnage.
“Atheist, secular educators and pseudo-intellectual social critics from the left like to promote the false argument that religion has killed more innocent people than any other force in the history of mankind. They also claim that religion has been the cause of more wars in human history than any other.

These wild claims are completely false.

First, according to “The Irrational Atheist” by Vox Day, before the 20th century more than 133 million people were killed by genocide, political murders and mass murder, but only about 2.65 million murders (less than 2 percent) were for religious reasons, such as the Christian Crusades, witch-hunts and the Aztecs slaughtering their neighbors, and most of those took place over several centuries.

Also, in the 20th century alone, atheist regimes from the socialist left – such as Stalinist Russia, Mao’s China, the Cambodian and Vietnamese Communists and Yugoslavia – murdered more than 153 million people in 65 short years!

In contrast to this atheist, leftist slaughter, practically no political murders, mass murders or genocides were committed by Christians for religious reasons in the 20th century, but the pagan National Socialists in Germany killed 6 million Jews during World War II, and the Muslim jihadists during the Armenian genocide in Turkey killed about 2 million Christians in 1915-1916 and are killing scores of Jews in Israel and Christians in Iraq/Syria today under the Islamic State and other Muslim groups.

Finally, according to the “Encyclopedia of Wars” by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod, published in 2004, there have been 1,763 wars in recorded human history, and only 123 of those, or 7 percent, involved religious conflict.

Interestingly, of those 123 “religious wars,” 66 of them, nearly 50 percent, involved Islam!
It also should be noted that the kind of Muslims the Islamic State represent are the kind who sided with Hitler during World War II. These Islamist ideologues are a clear and present danger, a great evil that’s threatening the whole world, not just the Middle East and Israel."
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/06/atheist-lies-who-are-the-real-mass-killers/#Dou8I12fLJSmIEfe.99
commented 2017-11-06 13:01:30 -0500
“Paul Bryce commented 22 mins ago
Oh, and I should add that nothing I said matters unless you believe in a God who actually established the Judeo/Christian moral codes our current legal system operates under.
Atheism and Islam do not work with the Judeo/Christian moral codes because they allow for lying or killing as long it advances their belief system. "

Our legal system is secular, and the fundamental principles are ultimately derived from ancient Greece/Rome, which were not Judeo-Christian societies. Even if religious influences were inserted, they are no longer the driving force.

The concept of morality not existing outside the bible is specious – it’s based upon the simple principle of fairness. If something you’re doing has an unreasonable impact on someone else, it’s probably illegal. If you alone bear the consequences, it’s probably legal, and if it’s not legal due to some holdover law, it will be eventually. That’s why there are so many discrepancies where the more intrusive Biblical principles are no longer part of the legal system. The Bible condemns homosexuality, but in the real world, being gay has no impact beyond the individuals in question. So, it’s legal. Gay marriage does not damage traditional unions, but straight-only marriage damages gay couples. So it’s legal.

By the way, the Old Testament advocates the same sort of killing of the unrighteous that the Quran does. Just because the term “jihad” isn’t used, doesn’t mean it’s not there. Atheism, meanwhile, condones no holy wars whatsoever.
commented 2017-11-06 12:33:29 -0500
Oh, and I should add that nothing I said matters unless you believe in a God who actually established the Judeo/Christian moral codes our current legal system operates under.
Atheism and Islam do not work with the Judeo/Christian moral codes because they allow for lying or killing as long it advances their belief system.
commented 2017-11-06 12:30:50 -0500
The comments here are assuming one very flawed or outright inaccurate belief.
It is being assumed here that government has the moral high position to step in when some parents make bad parenting decisions. Absolutely wrong. The government has a worse track record than any parents I know by far:
- sterilizing mentally handicapped (historically)
- numerous deaths in the foster care program
- failing academic results for students
- very bad example to youth of lying, cheating & stealing
- lack of decent care for the elderly and veterans
- very bad example to society of punishing those that violate the law and harm others
- the list goes on………..
Parents (99.9% of them), are instilled with a love for their children that no teacher, welfare worker, police officer, politician, beauracrat, etc…. can ever have.
The correct process for dealing with bad parents should be at the Church/community level by other parents. Tribunals of parents?
I have heard good teachers complain of how parents expect them to raise their children at school. School should be for academics not child rearing. If they are not being raised with good values and morals in the home no school can fix that.
And the government is the worst basis for propagating sexual values as we can see from what’s going on in Hollywood right now. Look to your parents/grandparents for the society shaping values you need not some Karl Marx ideologue in the government, universities, grade schools, union halls, etc…..
commented 2017-11-06 10:59:16 -0500
“Al Peterson commented 16 mins ago
Space Moose, the problem is that they are a leftist attempt to brainwash school age children to accept all the left’s perversities.

GSAs are mostly a high school phenomenon, not “school age children”. By then they have a substantial sense of who they are, including sexual orientation.

This comment is precisely why they do it. Imagine you’re a teenager who wonders if they’re gay, or know they are. Yet your dad is making comments like this, indicating he will probably be unsupportive (at best) if you come out of the closet. You’re probably going to look for support among your peers, and hope that your potentially hostile dad doesn’t’ find out what you’re up to, since it’s pretty likely nothing good will come of it.

Yes, you have to accept it. Even if you’re straight as an arrow, you’ll have to function as an adult in a world with significant sexual diversity, without melting down into a triggered mess because you saw a couple transwomen making out on a park bench.
commented 2017-11-06 10:50:19 -0500
“Al Peterson commented 11 hours ago
So, Andrew you thing on the whole that the government village knows what’s better for a child than their parents.”

I haven’t bothered quoting the Russian comment, becausee it’s an appeal to extremes.

There are cases where “parental authority” is a danger to the well being of children and youth. The government can and does intervene in such situations. It’s no different than taking kids away from raging alcoholics… in that case, the government does know what’s better for the children than their parents.

LGBTQ youth ARE heavily overrepresented in case of abuse. Protecting them becomes more important than “parental rights” – the child’s right to not be abused exceeds the parent’s right to abuse them. In this case, again, yes. The state knows better than the parents. I’ll also point out, that most schools don’t routinely tell parents what lunchtime clubs the kids are in. My parents didn’t know I was in the chess club until I started winning prizes. This is no different. It’s generally expected that teenagers have some autonomy. If they don’t you have bigger problems than them hanging out with the gay kids at lunch.

Most parents are fine with their kids being in such a club. In fact, many kids would comfortably openly volunteer such information directly. It’s the people that are upset by the prospects of their kids being in a GSA, that are upset about not being told about it. They’re also the most dangerous to their kids and most likely to be hostile to the possibility the kids are in fact gay.
commented 2017-11-06 10:38:29 -0500
Space Moose, the problem is that they are a leftist attempt to brainwash school age children to accept all the left’s perversities. And as you can see, as always, they want to use the coercive power of the state to force you to do what is contrary to your beliefs.

It is the 500th anniversary of Luther’s 95 Theses. What he said there needs to be said again:

“Unless I can be instructed and convinced with evidence from the Holy Scriptures or with open, clear and distinct grounds and reasoning—and my conscience is captive to the Word of. God—then I cannot and will not recant, because it is neither safe nor wise to act against conscience. Here I stand. I can do no other. So help me God.”

And the 1953 Movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xQsCtpcj_E
commented 2017-11-06 09:20:43 -0500
The poor brain washed children under this regime. I hope their parents do something about this sick and twisted cult masked as a political party.
commented 2017-11-06 01:55:00 -0500
I don’t see what the big deal is with these gay straight alliances.
commented 2017-11-06 01:04:07 -0500
Andrew all groups are marginalized and LBGQZTOZZZCBC are no different than others when it comes to bigotry.
commented 2017-11-06 01:02:48 -0500
Andrew why does the left deem minors unable to be responsible for criminal acts while they deem them full blown adults when it comes to sex and state based brainwashing?
commented 2017-11-06 01:01:24 -0500
Andrew who the f*ck are you to demand such a thing? Do you even have a child? If not then is will use the pro-abortion mantra , no Fetus=no say, except i will apply it to childless liberals, no kids=no say. And sorry but not kissing someones ass and not doing what they demand is not hostility. Stick your commie crap, and funny how you care less when i kid is molested by some guy in a dress in a GIRLS washroom. You suddenly do not care about them being protected for some reason.
commented 2017-11-06 00:07:25 -0500
2019 Ditch the b*tch and federally punt the c*nt .
commented 2017-11-05 23:59:00 -0500
These socialists are truly sick and mentally disturbed aholes and should seek mental help . Maybe Venezuela has clinics that will help them but they probably should bring therye own food as many people are starving in that wonderful socialist shithole ! UCP 2019 or preferably sooner !
commented 2017-11-05 23:39:03 -0500
So, Andrew you thing on the whole that the government village knows what’s better for a child than their parents. So in your mind parents are just breeding machines for the state- like they were in the Soviet Union?
commented 2017-11-05 23:25:08 -0500
Even better. All children should be protected from “parental authority” when it may be harmful to their well-being. Hostility towards LGBTQ+ youth from their caregivers must never be tolerated.
commented 2017-11-05 20:18:50 -0500
Nanny Notley’s legislation will not withstand a court challenge.

Andrew, please inform yourself, this plan isn’t just for youth.
commented 2017-11-05 19:36:01 -0500
“Muta Ween commented 6 hours ago
What the heck is a gay/straight alliance anyways. "

Support group for LGBTQ* youth.

Often confidential, for safety purposes. Some people think “parental rights” involve more than they do especially when talking high school aged minors (whom these clubs mostly apply to), who are already afforded certain rights of self-determination by that point.

To the people against confidentiality, how do you protect LGBTQ* youth from potentially hostile parents?