April 16, 2015

After ban on city council prayers, what Canadian tradition will be targeted next? Jewish conservative warns "it's just beginning"

Marissa SemkiwArchive

In an unanimous decision (shocker!), the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the municipal council in the town of Saguenay, Quebec, can no longer open its meetings with a prayer.

While the ruling is still fresh, there are questions now about what this means for municipalities across Canada.  Many have already announced that they will pull prayer from their next council meeting.

The court stated:

"A neutral public space free from coercion, pressure and judgment on the part of public authorities in matters of spirituality is intended to protect every person's freedom and dignity, and it helps preserve and promote the multicultural nature of Canadian society."

But is this about promoting multiculturalism, or fostering a monoculture of secularism?

Peter Shurman, former PC MPP for Thornhill, Ontario became acquainted with a similar issue when former Premier Dalton McGuinty thought eliminating The Lord's Prayer from the Legislature was a good idea. 

He told me that as a Jewish man, he was never offended by the recitation of that Christian prayer, and explained why by way of his own personal history.

"This is far less about religion," he said, "than it is about tradition."

Shurman warns that this "is just the beginning" of a battle about separation of church and state in Canada.

Do you agree?

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commented 2015-04-22 23:09:23 -0400
Is it possible to sue SCOC for discrimination like the Muslims did against webber academy?
commented 2015-04-19 11:35:00 -0400
Shane MCGill;
Oh great one, I bow to the master of sophistry! Comparing Christian prayer to smoking – that will definitely turn Christians away from Jesus…
Greg Rogers;
“…Apparently guys like Shane believe themselves just so damned important that whatever whim enters their minds at any given moment is vastly more important than anything anyone else does. Libertarian-ism, the favored political philosophy of the spoiled brat…”, and here I thought it was narcissism…
commented 2015-04-18 14:34:27 -0400
Shane MCGill. Oh you poor oppressed thing! I’m certain their are people in the slums of New Delhi and Mexico city that pity you for enduring such hardships. Having to actually listen to someone pray. Imagine the horror!

This is just the sort of “me-first-because-the-universe-revolves-around-me” B.S. that causes such fury and frustration against the Social Engineering Court of Canada.

The fact that anyone with a bit of backbone could probably sit, be courteous, STFU and wait for a couple of minutes while others perform a ritual that is important to them. Something like that is inner strength. It is dealing with the situation as it is, not stamping your foot and wailing like a spoiled f***ing 4 year old and demanding that everyone change their ways to accommodate you.
Apparently guys like Shane believe themselves just so damned important that whatever whim enters their minds at any given moment is vastly more important than anything anyone else does. Libertarian-ism, the favored political philosophy of the spoiled brat.
commented 2015-04-18 12:42:20 -0400
Shane…smoking causes cancer and C.O.P.D…

p.s. the cure for neutrality is tolerance….is that just too hard for our new Canadians…Tolerance IS Canadian?
commented 2015-04-18 12:37:08 -0400
’FREE FROM COERCION?" This ruling IS coercion.

NEUTRAL…neutrality as a specific position IS BIAS. It becomes prejudice against all that is not neutral. That is in itself offensive to anyone who holds any other particular ideology. Once ANY person is SILENCED to please another (the court) ALL LIBERTY IS GONE!

Neutrality is a pipe dream…it does not exist, anywhere. It becomes subjugation. Atheism in the Soviet Union, China and North Korea prove this.
commented 2015-04-18 00:43:17 -0400
Christianity has done a lot for the world and it is part of our tradition. We should keep prayer before council meetings. You do not do away with tradition for no reason at all. If prayer is so offensive to the Supreme Court, why do they not rule against Muslim prayers which are said five times a day?
commented 2015-04-17 23:36:53 -0400
I’m sure there will be religious folks out there that disagree with me, but I would like one of you to explain what the difference is between this and smoking. Smoking has been pretty much banned everywhere because it’s offensive to non-smokers and as such, non-smokers should not be forced to endure 2nd hand smoke while in public places. Praying is no different. Why should I be forced to listen to people pray to a god while I am forced to listen? I find it offensive and it wastes my time. I have no issue with someone praying on your own time, but how can religious people be so presumptuous as to think that I need to waste my time listening to these prayers? Got to be the first time in a long time that I agree with the Supreme Court of Canada.
commented 2015-04-17 17:19:14 -0400
Where the court stated:
“A neutral public space free from coercion, pressure and judgment…”, well when I read that SCOC statement, it said to me it’s open season on Christians in Canada – in order to ‘protect’ the minorities…
And where do they get the idea, “…the multicultural nature of Canadian society.” We have had so-called ‘multiculturalism’ forced on us and look how much that has damaged Canada. Canada has always had a White, Western European, Christian ‘nature’ to this nation. Along with others over the years, it was what made us such a great nation – at least until the Pearson/Trudeau cabal came along…
What I don’t understand is all the really ridiculous, looney-tune, nonsense these liberal types trot out and push on the rest of us – and I include the unelected activist judges who overstep their boundary’s and who don’t have a mandate to make law in Canada – and how they can actually believe the silly, unrealistic and naive things they do in the face of logic, reason fact, commonsense and moral absolutes. Neo-liberalism is a mental disorder…
commented 2015-04-17 16:26:19 -0400
I am an atheist. I don’t care though about some municipalities mayor’s prayers as long as they aren’t doing this in their work time. Why should I pay taxes for somebody’s preying?
commented 2015-04-17 14:17:28 -0400
Why are we wasting our scarce tax dollars subsidizing our wacko Supreme Court Justices and these serial litigators. If these people had to pay for their own legal costs a lot of these cases would be crushed in the lower courts. Live and let live people.
commented 2015-04-17 12:01:36 -0400
Agree with Donald Perry, “We need to stand up and not taking it anymore.”
commented 2015-04-17 11:41:02 -0400
the supremes wont stop until the new face of Canada is a militant atheaist who gives blow jobs and takes it up the ass
commented 2015-04-17 10:27:08 -0400
Will a government ever use the “notwithstanding” clause? – which was put there for a reason.
commented 2015-04-16 22:52:02 -0400
I always thought of prayer as being a small interlude where you could think to yourself “sit back, focus and behave yourself.”
Now, maybe the “prayer” should be turn your cell phones onto vibrate and please don’t shoot anyone. Amen!
commented 2015-04-16 22:11:56 -0400
Fraser I think the judges should be saying that every morning.
commented 2015-04-16 21:26:55 -0400
Since prayer is nolonger said at the begining of city concils , I would like them to pledge "We will not spend the tax payers money foolishly.We will take care to do things right. We will not waste money and if do we will pay it back out of our own pockets..
commented 2015-04-16 20:54:44 -0400
Her we go again. Our traditions are slowly being eroded by the few. Even one person can object to something and get more of a hearing than the majority. Even if the majority and the parliament of Canada approve something the 9 un-elected people of the Supreme Court are deciding what we can do and not do. We sit back and say nothing. We are a bunch of sheep. Me included. The few have there demonstrations and it seems they are ones that are heard. Maybe we should organize and have our own counter demonstrations. The time has come for all of us to stand up and say “I AM MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE”.
commented 2015-04-16 20:48:04 -0400
Stupid ruling. Have fun enforcing it…! A law without the means of enforcement is nothing more than paperwork, and completely meaningless and useless. Good for all the “conscientious objectors” who pay no attention to this ruling! Perhaps it’s time for people like Professor Bernardo de La Paz (Heinlein, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress), who label themselves “rational anarchists” to step forth?

(What’s a “rational anarchist”? Prof defines it like this — if he agrees with a law, he’ll obey it. If he disagrees, he’ll break it. Regardless of which action he takes, he accepts full responsibility for the results/consequences of his actions.)
commented 2015-04-16 19:48:14 -0400
The SCOC doesn’t want prayer anywhere
(Christian prayer anyway – if your wear a towel on your head or cover yourself with a garbage bag or have a bone through your nose it’s fine)

The reason for this is that the SCOC are the pontificating gods of the bench and will have no other gods before them.
We have to give up this silly superstitious moral code based on christian teachings and adopt a new one that is more suitable to the SCOC.

“My moral responsibility is directly proportional to the amount I pay some scumbag ambulance chaser to justify my actions”.