July 23, 2017

Alberta's conservative parties unite. What happens next?

Holly NicholasRebel Commentator

The decision has come down and Alberta conservatives have united. 

It was a whirlwind of a day that had a few tense moments, especially when it came to the outcome of the Wildrose membership that needed 75 per cent in favour to get to yes.

The Progressive Conservative vote was not all that big of a surprise though, since Jason Kenney made it clear what his mandate was and most people rallied behind him for that reason.

Both parties voted overwhelmingly in favour of unity at 95 per cent; that should be a clear message to all members of the party that this is the direction Alberta conservatives have chosen to go.

But of course, there are those that voted no to unity and in separate media addresses, the former leaders of the parties spoke about unity and the way forward. The former leaders of Alberta’s two conservative parties, Brian Jean and Jason Kenney addressed the media after the decision came down.

Watch my video on to see their reactions and what they had to say about moving forward, their leadership races and the NDP.

The new United Conservative Party will have a founding meeting sometime next week and will name an interim leader. That leader does not have to be an MLA, although Kenney believes it likely will be.

And after formalities like requesting to be recognized as MLAs to the Speaker, it’s on to the leadership race, where a new official leader will be elected October 28.

We know that Kenney, Jean and Calgary lawyer Doug Schweitzer have thrown their hats in and I’m sure we’ll see even more candidates step forward in the coming days and months.

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commented 2017-07-24 14:32:50 -0400
“Jamie, Danielle Smith saying that she is keeping an open mind on the science is not true. "

Yup. We had that figured out just by the evasiveness and lack of commitment in her response to a pretty direct question: “First of all, do you believe anthropogenic global warming is occurring, and second, what dangers do you associate with AGW-based legislation or international commitments?”

The first question required a yes or no answer – she gave neither. There is a premise in interviewing that if a person does not really answer a clear question, then they have in fact answered it. So it was absolutely no surprise to learn that Wildrose signed on to the Great Lie.
commented 2017-07-24 11:28:22 -0400
Sorry first point was intended for Peter.
commented 2017-07-24 10:56:27 -0400
Jamie, I am willing to look at the good, the bad and the ugly in all the candidates. I am not happy and “marred” to any of the three at present and would prefer a non-politically correct 100% conservative (that is, both social and fiscal conservative) candidate (which would, importantly, include dismissing climate change as a leftist/globalist hoax) to step forward.
Jamie, Danielle Smith saying that she is keeping an open mind on the science is not true. While she was leader the Wildrose capitulated to the scam of man-made climate change by including a policy statement that greenhouse gas emissions needed to be curbed and so-called green energies should be promoted. Hardly an open mind on the science!
commented 2017-07-24 10:39:04 -0400
“On the matter of the scam of climate change, as much or more important will be the UCM’s policy position on climate change. The Wildrose’s policy document on the matter of environment supports the scam of man-made climate change which I was unable to eliminate at the Wildrose AGM in October 2016. "

Dead on, RON VOSS. What follows below is Danielle Smith’s vacillating response to my daughter’s question during an interview she conducted with Smith that appeared in The Landowner Magazine:

“I’m keeping an open mind on the science. I don’t think that there is any consensus on the extent of the damage that is being caused, the speed with which it’s being caused, the solutions for what can or cannot be done. Whether or not we should adapt, whether or not it’s going to be too costly, so should we devote money to addressing more pressing environmental issues. There’s a whole range of debate that is happening on this front, but it seems like there is a group that is trying to push a particular view that the effects are going to be catastrophic and they are going to be immediate, therefore we must act immediately. And I frankly think that that is an action that is going to cause an immense amount of disruption and harm to our economy.”

I would venture a strong guess that this will pretty well be the wishy-washy fence sitting position of the new party and its leader.
commented 2017-07-24 10:36:55 -0400
All good points, Ron.

I am not “married” to voting for Derek but at present he has not even announced he will be running. And my opinion may change as others enter the race for leadership of the party.

Yes, I know Libertarian and Conservative are not the same thing, but at present they seem to be more conservative than the Conservatives … at present.

The biggest thing I look for, aside from conservative values, is a leader than will not kowtow to the media and will stand up for his/her principles. So far all the Conservatives in leadership positions across the country provincial and federal seem to kowtow to the media.
commented 2017-07-24 09:47:09 -0400
And your choice Fildebrandt, has he as spoken out against the scam of man-made climate change?? Ultimately, I would like to see where the various candidates stand on all the issues, including social conservative issues like parental rights and choice in education. Don’t forget that Fildebrandt once tweeted that social issues didn’t make it to his list of 100 priorities for why he ran as a Wildrose candidate. However his actions have revealed otherwise. Fildebrandt positions himself as a libertarian. A conservative and a libertarian are not one and the same. The difference between a conservative and a libertarian in one ad: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/06/tim-moen-ad-conservative-libertarian_n_4911633.html
The name of the new party is the United Conservative Party, not the United Libertarian Party.
commented 2017-07-24 09:29:34 -0400
Ron asked, “Please explain, however, how you come to that glib conclusion about Kenney?”

Ron said to Jamie, “Kenney has vacillated as to where he stands on this [scam of man-made climate change] issue.”

That is one reason.

Jason Kenny Tweeted Dec 4, 2016 10:44PM, "There are good reasons to oppose a carbon tax. But calling on our democratically-elected Premier to be “locked up” is ridiculous & offensive"

That is another reason.
commented 2017-07-24 09:26:03 -0400
On the matter of the scam of climate change, as much or more important will be the UCM’s policy position on climate change. The Wildrose’s policy document on the matter of environment supports the scam of man-made climate change which I was unable to eliminate at the Wildrose AGM in October 2016. That proposal was not allowed to come to the floor for a vote, presumably because it was too divisive. To what degree will the grassroots be involved in shaping and defining the new party’s policies is a question.
commented 2017-07-24 09:26:03 -0400
On the matter of the scam of climate change, as much or more important will be the UCM’s policy position on climate change. The Wildrose’s policy document on the matter of environment supports the scam of man-made climate change which I was unable to eliminate at the Wildrose AGM in October 2016. That proposal was not allowed to come to the floor for a vote, presumably because it was too divisive. To what degree will the grassroots be involved in shaping and defining the new party’s policies is a question.
commented 2017-07-24 08:57:24 -0400
JAMIE MACMASTER, I would agree that when it comes to selecting a new leader for the UCP in Alberta, let’s look at what they stand for on the various issues and where they stand on the scam of man-made climate change is a biggie. Thus far the only politician in Canada who called out the climate change scam was federal CPC leadership candidate Brad Trost. Jean has spoken in favour of this scam even while in federal politics. Kenney has vacillated as to where he stands on this issue. Don’t know Fildebrandt’s position. Haven’t heard him speak out against it.
commented 2017-07-23 20:54:39 -0400
PETER NETTERVILLE commented, “Now since both Brian and Jason have shown themselves to be leaning towards becoming CINOs, I think Derek Fildebrandt is the best for leadership of the new party.” I would go along with Jean being a ‘progressive’ conservative (note, for example, earlier posts at the Rebel this week about his cozying up to the leftist Alberta Teacher’s Association (ATA) and using the language of the left, like not wanting the party to become “hard right”. Please explain, however, how you come to that glib conclusion about Kenney?
Fildebrandt describes himself as libertarian and,yet, in his speech yesterday afternoon at the WRP’s SGM, he talked about “conservative” values. A libertarian and a conservative are not one and the same. This new party is called the United Conservative Party, not the United Libertarian Party of Alberta.
commented 2017-07-23 19:41:36 -0400
I can’t help but wonder from afar if this isn’t like the Presbyterian/ Methodist merger that became the United Church. It supposedly drew on the strengths of both but in reality it brought out the weaknesses of both and ended up a namby-pamby shadow of both former selves. Time will tell, I guess.
commented 2017-07-23 19:00:44 -0400
95% is an impressive number for sure.

Now since both Brian and Jason have shown themselves to be leaning towards becoming CINOs, I think Derek Fildebrandt is the best for leadership of the new party.
commented 2017-07-23 16:47:42 -0400
As an interim leader I suggest Drew Barnes, who was defeated by Jean in the leadership race after Smith crossed the floor and was one of the few Wildrose MLAs who did not cross the floor and kept Wildrose alive.
commented 2017-07-23 16:32:58 -0400
As per the Edmonton Sun’s Lorne Gunter, “Left’s Days are Numbered” which s good news, but the bad news is one can expect that in the meantime they will do all in their power to destroy this province. http://www.edmontonsun.com/2017/07/22/gunter-lefts-days-are-numbered
As far as what happens next, apart from choosing a new leader, equally if not more important is shaping the policies that will define the new party and, hopefully, there will be ample opportunity for grassroots input.
commented 2017-07-23 16:32:33 -0400
Henry Reardon commented – “The fact that the two parties united so enthusiastically is great.”

It’s also an indicator the members and supporters want change from old line reactionary fragmentary partisan politics – A change of approach in both thinking, and policy making – needs new blood of a similar mind

- I think both Kenny and Jean have to take a “Moses” role in this new movement and step back. They led their respective factions to the promised land but are not destined to lead them further – they represent what the electors rejected. Having them run for leader against each other will pit factions in the party against each other for control – a third strong option for unity of ideals has to prevail.
commented 2017-07-23 16:01:34 -0400
I agree with Ron & Bill on this! We want the best candidate for the leader.
commented 2017-07-23 16:00:27 -0400
Agreed with Bill and Ron.

The leadership has to be a serious, no holds barred contest to clear the air. Such a contest will prove the leader will have what it takes to lead. Not a hobby horse contest hoping to gain attention. For example, who the hell is this Schweitzer?

However, Democracy dictates…
commented 2017-07-23 15:59:37 -0400
The fact that the two parties united so enthusiastically is great. At least I think it’s great and much better than seeing some kind of figurative blood-bath.

Then again, it all depends on what policies they agree on. If they end up being CINOs (Conservatives In Name Only), then this “unity party” is a whole lot of noise about nothing of any great consequence. If their policies are going to end up being indistinguishable from the Liberals, NDP or Greens, then what is the point of even having a united party if it doesn’t actually deliver some form of conservatism?

I truly hope this is a genuinely (small ‘c’) conservative party, not just a slightly-right-of-the-Liberals party.
commented 2017-07-23 15:38:10 -0400
When it comes time to elect a leader, DO NOT go near the new system that the Federal Conservatives used, and end up with a weak leader that most people didn’t vote for, and the favorite ended up in 2nd place.
commented 2017-07-23 15:33:12 -0400
Correction – that should read :
don’t flood the stage with candidates and have a 30 position multiple choice ballot like CPC did – look at the less than stellar results of that.
commented 2017-07-23 14:58:02 -0400
First a member-ratifies policy book then a new leader – on to regaining Alberta freedom and autonomy.

Note to the new Alberta party and leadership candidates – don’t flood the stage with candidates and have a 30 position multiple choice ballot like reform did – look at the less than stellar results of that.