June 08, 2016

Ambrose challenges Trudeau’s “Liberals know best” attitude: Trust Canadians with referendum

Brian LilleyArchive

The other day, I shared Justin Trudeau responding in French to a question put to him by Rona Ambrose on why he wouldn’t let Canadians have the final say on any changes to our voting system in a referendum. 

The leader of the Opposition, continued to press him on the question today asking him why he doesn’t trust Canadians. This time, he provides his confusing answer in English. His bizarre argument about why we can’t vote on any changes to our voting system has to be heard to be believed.

Trudeau is avoiding the real question by continuously talking about the need for broad consultation and on that, most Canadians likely agree.

But where they disagree with Trudeau, as expressed in various polls on the question, is that the majority still want a final say in the form of a simple “yes” or “no” referendum, once the committee comes forward with an alternative system.

If you too are concerned about Trudeau’s apparent determination to move ahead with any changes without putting it to a vote by the people, please continue to share our videos and petition at LetUsVote.ca by email, social media, or at your local coffee shop.

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commented 2016-06-10 11:12:05 -0400
Peter, I wonder if they are doing it because they got so much criticism from more conservative posters? People will now we less likely to post fearing harassment or even prosecution for “hate speech”. It will turn the comments section into a echo chamber.
commented 2016-06-09 14:44:04 -0400
Glenn Craig suggested, "Should there be a rule that unless you have real authentic presence in the form of the name on your birth certificate you may not insult except in self defence and in response? "

Apparently the CBC is now doing that in their comments section. No more pseudonyms.
commented 2016-06-09 12:05:59 -0400
FPTP is good system that promotes responsible government. This is not a good change and that is why BC voters rejected it.
commented 2016-06-09 11:01:43 -0400
This morning Ambrose and the conservatives were calling on the libs to finally declare the targeting of Yazidis and Christians by Isis to be genocide. Obama has similarly been reluctant to do the same. Their preference for Islam over other religions is obvious but does their reluctance mean they are admitting Isis actually has something to do with their beloved Islam or just show their disdain for Christians and Yazidis?
commented 2016-06-09 08:42:35 -0400
The party that listens to Canadians he says. Just not the 73 percent that disagree with him on this. If we let them get away with changes to our democracy once, the liberals will do it again and again. We might wake up one day under Sharia law.
commented 2016-06-09 01:57:03 -0400
Don great point, he got in with a majority maybe we are not to be trusted and also there are retards like Penson and Christensen out there, they are too stupid to be trusted with an issue like this.
commented 2016-06-09 01:08:51 -0400
Where the complexities arise in this issue, is the all the talk of complexities.
First past the post is the most easy of all voting systems to understand and therefore the most transparent, which should be a good thing. All voting systems have their quirks and if one thinks that a proportional system doesn’t benefit large parties, they’re nuts. It seems to me that the proportional system is most susceptible to the drafting of celebrities as candidates and of all the back room deals (to the detriment of the voters) that political parties will engage in in order to form government (Greece is a good modern example).
But let’s take Spain for instance, where they are set to have a second general election within six months. I would argue that if the next election there fails to provide a government, Spain will run the risk of exposing their system for something that is hopeless.
That’s a long time to go without a working government, our system always works.

This smacks of someone like that drunk Elizabeth May finally getting to recognized status after carpet bagging her way into parliament.
commented 2016-06-09 00:22:32 -0400
Little Benito, who said not long ago that “There’s a level of admiration that I actually have for China, because it’s basic dictatorship is allowing it to … (blah blah blah)”, wants to dictate to Canadians what kind of ‘democracy’ they will have. It seems the system that has served us so well since 1867 doesn’t meet his approval, because it doesn’t result in a perpetual Liberal government being elected, election after election. So much better, from his point of view, to have a system that will elect a Liberal government every time, i.e. the ‘preferential ballot’ system. No wonder you don’t want Canadians democratically voting on your little plan, eh L.B.? You’re a disgrace to your father, Pierre Elliot Trudeau, who believed in Canadian democracy, and you’re a disgrace to the legacy of Sir John A. MacDonald and Wilfrid Laurier, neither of whose shoelaces you are worthy to untie.
commented 2016-06-08 21:35:52 -0400
I sometimes wish that our Politicians —once they are elected— Just go on permanent Vacation. This way they won’t be able to waste too much money—- And they won’t be a able to destroy the Country that we Love.
commented 2016-06-08 21:35:15 -0400
One has to remember the majority of Canadians are not very well informed about what’s good for the liberal party. This would explain trudope’s staunch opposition to a referendum.
commented 2016-06-08 21:07:02 -0400
Aren’t we all just so sick and tired of the BS, lies, corruption, willful contempt, arrogance, ignorance, etc., ad nauseam? The malignant messianic megalomaniac Ju-stalin Turd-dough, his entourage and the blind Marxist lemmings, are the scourge of Canada.

History has proven repeatedly that so called ‘experts’ (especially ‘leftist approved’) are wrong 99.9% of the time, therefore, this deceptive and contemptive “consultation” will be nothing more than a facsade for the pig-fest of his cabal and a further attempt to indoctrinate the masses.

The rejection and abandonment of calling ‘a spade a spade’ has had disastrous outcomes.
commented 2016-06-08 19:30:17 -0400
I an effort to improve the discourse on theREBEL forum might I put forward to a vote that we refrain from insults unless they are in response to insults…..now having said that should voter credibility be weighted by actual participation in this forum? That is to say that those who actually make the effort to participate and attend get a higher point value in their vote? Should premium paid members get additional points?

Should there be a rule that unless you have real authentic presence in the form of the name on your birth certificate you may not insult except in self defence and in response?

In what form should such a vote be taken and evaluated…..Robert’s rules of order seems to have worked…so has the voting system in use up until now.

Back in Athens in the time of Socrates….nobody had the illusion that you could get what you want by voting for it…so you used your vote to vote against what you found least acceptable….and in reality ….that’s as good as it gets.
commented 2016-06-08 19:19:32 -0400
Justin, do Canada a favor, become deceased. The sooner the better. Do not worry, no one will miss you..
commented 2016-06-08 18:58:03 -0400
Don said, "Trudeau is right to say that Canadians cannot make an intelligent vote, after all, we voted for him. "

Well, 39% of Canadians did. That is for sure.
commented 2016-06-08 18:56:25 -0400
Sean Penson are you against the people having a say by means of a referendum on whether to go ahead with the electoral reform type offered by the Trudeau government?
commented 2016-06-08 18:52:34 -0400
Sean Penson pleaded: “Change is good, just give it a chance.”

History records something similar was implemented in 1930"s Germany promising a brighter future for Germans by a fellow called Adolf Hitler associated with the Nazi party, or if you like, the National Socialist Party. History also records how that turned out after taking what was a fledgling democracy full tilt into a Socialist, Fascist regime!
Those that choose to ignore history are doomed to repeat it!
commented 2016-06-08 18:46:22 -0400
Trudeau is right to say that Canadians cannot make an intelligent vote, after all, we voted for him.
commented 2016-06-08 18:45:29 -0400
EL BOW is mortified his attempt to impose a dictatorship by asking Canadians will be rejected by voters. That is why he wants to proceed unilaterally!
commented 2016-06-08 18:31:36 -0400

Bill Elder, I may never forgive you for putting that mental image in my mind, it so clearly illustrates my revulsion to the platitudinous, duckspeak-like rhetoric that has been prevalent in our national government and a large majority of provincial governments since the first Trudeau era. While the Harper government may have excelled over most others at it, our new TruD’Oh government seems to be taking it to new extremes.
commented 2016-06-08 18:25:35 -0400
So the failed part time drama teacher thinks Canadians are to dumb to decide In a referendum?

Trudeau is the dumbest guy on the block and an arrogant ass!
commented 2016-06-08 18:23:12 -0400
Mr. Lilley, I may not always agree with the viewpoints of every video I see you do, but this one is the most well-thought-out, clearest argument anyone could make on the government’s apparent obstinacy in this situation. Their approach to the assisted-dying bill has already demonstrated what the results of any of their “broad consultations” will be – they didn’t listen to their own committee, they deliberately misinterpreted the implications of the SOC’s guidelines, they ignored their own polls, and they limited debate to the best of their ability. (All failings, I would add, that they delight in portraying as the exclusive domain of the previous government.) If they know they can proceed without ever facing a referundum, all the consultation imaginable will not prevent the inevitable result that WE get what THEY want.
commented 2016-06-08 18:19:24 -0400
Fuck off Penson. You are as queer as a three dollar bill. Hopefully the Muzzies test your flying skills first off the highest building.
commented 2016-06-08 18:13:21 -0400
This is not a constitutional change, it is simply an electoral method change.

People will still have the right to vote, and the voting process will be slightly different. The vote counting, and seat tally, will be greatly different.

Change is good, just give it a chance.
commented 2016-06-08 18:05:16 -0400
Forget the referendum.

What is the legal obligation to making such a substantial change?? Is this a constitutional change???

How the hell can Hair-clog Trudeau write up a few words and pass this “socialist engineering” shit without any legal roadblocks??

Speaks to that piece of shit constitution that lefties love to refer to when their feelings are hurt.
commented 2016-06-08 17:28:47 -0400
Ever watch a kid play with one of those talking dolls where you pull the string and they keep repeating the same thing no matter what they ask it? They get tired of it’s robotic chatter pretty soon.
commented 2016-06-08 17:13:11 -0400
Those who live by the sword will be shot by those of us who have progressed.

Author unknown!

commented 2016-06-08 17:08:33 -0400
Justie should read about what happened to Mussolini and his girlfriend!
commented 2016-06-08 17:01:02 -0400
Justin Trudeau is a tyrant, plain and simple.
commented 2016-06-08 16:46:04 -0400
Translation: We will consult with Canadians and then do what we please.
commented 2016-06-08 16:45:36 -0400
Trudeau is trying to prepare Canada for the announcement of World Government and our official acknowledgement of our Induction into the North American Union, that Harper signed us onto. I think Trudeau is trying to set himself up as the Ruling Canadian Monarch. The Trudeau Family.