April 02, 2019

Anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists leading us down potentially deadly garden path

David MenziesMission Specialist

The ultimate sports trivia question is, “Who won the 1919 Stanley Cup?” That’s because the answer is “no one,” and the reason is that was the year the series was cancelled due to an influenza pandemic that confined most of the Montreal Canadians and their general manager to their beds.

A century later, it’s all so hard to imagine and yet, thanks to the anti-vaccination movement, diseases that were virtually eradicated are making a comeback.

Even more tragic, some in positions of authority who should know better are allowing this nonsense to occur, like the family law arbitrator in Ontario who upheld a mother’s refusal to have her children vaccinated, as chronicled in a recent National Post story.

Meanwhile, New York County has declared a state of emergency over a measles outbreak, and is seeking to ban unvaccinated individuals from public places. And in January, Clark County in Washington State also declared a state of emergency over a measles outbreak.

I could go on.

The fact is, anti-vaccination madness is being perpetrated out of sheer ignorance and preposterous conspiracy theories. This propaganda is further fuelled by the Internet, which can be a fountain of misinformation as easily as it can be a tool of enlightenment.

And if the anti-vaccination trend continues unabated, one wonders what other diseases will make a comeback?

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commented 2019-04-03 20:05:19 -0400
As suggested I did read the first 10 pages . I can certainly understand the concern about the lack of placebos used as a control in determining efficacy. Speaking solely to that issue it should be realized that while a placebo control is extremely important in clinical trials, placebos aren’t used in all clinical trials . Specifically cancer drug research rarely uses placebos . Also, while adults will agree to be part of drug trials , I doubt many parents would agree to their children being used for drug trials using placebos .
As I stated below ,I may not agree with people not vaccinating their kids but they have a right to raise them as they see fit .
Good luck and good health with the children in your life .
commented 2019-04-03 12:48:18 -0400
Don MacDonald, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. May I recommend some reading material to get some insights into safety testing, or lack thereof, on vaccines? You can still have an opinion without being informed, but it won’t carry much weight unless you can back it. This White Paper documents the situation in the US, but has direct relevance to Canada. This is only one document (88 pages full of citations) which backs the VRA position. One problem with journalists especially who attack VRA people is they never specifically discuss the science. They won’t even read documents such as this. I challenge you to read at least the first 10-12 pages.
commented 2019-04-03 11:07:05 -0400
My wife and I vaccinated our kids and our grandkids are vaccinated as well. However I have no problem with people not vaccinating their children . I truly believe it is a part of life’s process to cull the herd. In that crowd are people who refuse to drink pasteurised milk or stand near cliff edges taking selfies or try to feed or make friends with wild animals in the wilderness. With regards to autism, from a scientific point of view they confuse correlation with cause when discussing origin . The connection between vaccination and autism is a valid as the connection between shark attacks and ice cream consumption. The more ice cream consumed, the more shark attacks occur. Why ? In the summertime is when more ice cream is consumed and more people go into the water – more people in the water , more shark attacks. Given anti-vaxxers logic – stop eating ice cream !
I may not agree with people not vaccinating their kids but they have a right to raise them as they see fit. I pity their children .
commented 2019-04-03 07:55:26 -0400
David, there are many issues for which I simply don’t have time to research and therefore rely on my chosen and trusted sources. Few publications make that list. Unless the journalists and the editors show integrity, why would I waste my time? However, on this issue, I have done extensive research, dating back about 26 years when I quit vaccinating my children. So, short of a retraction and a follow up fully investigated article, I can no longer support The Rebel.
commented 2019-04-03 07:07:41 -0400
David, I am beyond disappointed in you and The Rebel. Here, I thought you people were different and actually did your homework. This casts you in a different light going forward. I have personally provided excellent reading material to two of your people on this issue, written by experts in the field, fully documented with the latest emerging science in this critical area. So, I don’t believe you have any excuses. A retraction of this article and a full investigation into the vaccine risk awareness community is absolutely essential. Feel free to contact me if you need some direction to resources. The body of science is enormous, continues to grow, and is quite alarming.
commented 2019-04-03 00:27:06 -0400
The baby boomers were the last generation to have true herd(life long)immunity, because they were exposed.
Catching these child hood diseases is the only way to have real life long immunity. Getting vaccinations which(can help )prevent infection wear off. When you are pregnant you want some immunity. When kids are young, is the safest time for them to get measles and some other childhood diseases. We don’t let that happen anymore. Messing with nature way too much. A strong immune system is an exposed immune system.
Measles is only one, but Jerry’s link is a good one.

Debunking Measles Mania with Dr. Bob Sears
commented 2019-04-03 00:10:07 -0400
Deaths, not to mention autoimmune diseases.
commented 2019-04-03 00:06:40 -0400
Tell me I don’t have a right to be leery, just try.
commented 2019-04-03 00:04:41 -0400
Measles in the 60’s. I got sent home as soon as I exhibited the rash,so I wouldn’t infect anyone else, (we had school nurses on site). Man I remember the day, and all I could think was, hell yeah, holiday! I was quarantined away from my siblings. No big deal.

Autism has skyrocketed, I am sure their is no correlation. (sarc)

According to Jerry’s link , which is a discussion between two medical professionals, it sounds like there are more fatalities from reactions to the shots than repercussions from the actual disease, which I am not in the least bit surprised to hear.
commented 2019-04-02 23:47:54 -0400
Jerry good vid. Doctors talking about the odds and realities, minus the nonsense pharma invested.
commented 2019-04-02 22:22:02 -0400
Maybe those incoming should take the shots for all the childhood problems we don’t really worry about because WE HAVE IMMUNITY, from shots or exposure over time. If this big push is for their sake , let THEM take the shots. Preferably when they cross the border for crissakes.
commented 2019-04-02 22:17:24 -0400
Mumps can cause sterility in males, but what specifically are you talking about Bruce? Measles, in the west at least, is not that big a deal.
commented 2019-04-02 21:47:35 -0400
Measles is going viral but it’s no laughing matter. These diseases do much more harm than their vaccines cause. People should do their due dilligence and find out what the medical community says rather than believing some study.
commented 2019-04-02 21:47:16 -0400
I support most of what comes out of The Rebel but on this issue, you guys are full of shi_t. What’s wrong with you?
commented 2019-04-02 21:43:21 -0400
Do your homework. Look at both sides of the issue. Can’t believe an article like this showed up on Rebel. Sounds VERY leftist to me.
commented 2019-04-02 19:51:55 -0400
I have to agree with my fellow Rebels. Besides with Justin’s ‘incoming’ we are going to have a lot more to worry about in the disease department than Measles.
I had all the up to date vaccinations when I was a kid. I also got almost all the childhood diseases. Go figure.

I would ask, where does the real risk lie? In the actual childhood disease or the vaccinations?. I am sure there are stats for number of deaths for each. Just about everyone got measles, mumps, and chicken pocks when I was a kid. No one died.
Meningitis, polio, scarlet fever and even whooping cough in babies can be deadly for sure, and TB is bad news. Vaccinations for those maybe.

I have heard that the problem comes with the combination shots.
You could not pay me to get a flu shot. There is such a thing as naturally attained resistance to many things and that only comes with some exposure over the years.
Who knows what all is coming into the country now though.
commented 2019-04-02 16:24:57 -0400
Well, that’s what YOUR science says Menzoid…there’s other science out there that says otherwise. You cannot discount the science contrary to yours by merely bad-mouthing it, or the good people who believe it…“conspiracy theories”?!…that’s a tactic lefty uses!
It’s like VIOXX – after the fact; or the promoters of the status-quo still claiming, ‘97% of scientists say there’s man-made-global warming’ – as compared to the true majority of scientists who actually say it’s BS…and why! Just because you believe something doesn’t make it true.
The scientific information contrary to the status quo on vaccinations is out there…if you’re looking for it!
If one chooses to allow poisons to be injected into one’s children – without even honestly looking at the evidence that is contrary to what you believe – then I’d say one’s commitment to parenting may be questionable…
I have to say, I think your ‘argument’ is in bad taste and inappropriate Menzoid.
There is a very real and popular mindset out there and that is: ‘If you come near me or my children with a mandatory vaccination you’re going to get a bad case of lead poisoning!‘, to put it figuratively. It’s for a very good reason. It’s not because they’re rednecks or something, it’s because they care very much about their precious children – and don’t trust the state…
I have looked at the evidence offered by both sides and I came down on the side that I wouldn’t want to gamble on my children’s health and life…with the information available!

Don’t try and tell me BIG PHARMA doesn’t have a BIG ‘influence’ in medical school curricula!
If you want to do an interesting and meaningful show, do one on the Pasteur/Bernard debate – and the outcome’s horrible implications to modern day ‘Western Medicine’!
commented 2019-04-02 15:53:04 -0400
If the science is proof that vaccinations are the cure-all, why is it that the very companies themselves who manufacture vaccines cannot be sued directly for damage done by vaccines which are recalled? Seriously, I believe in the concept of vaccines however the way it’s implemented and how the manufacturers have no accountability for them is where I question the truth behind the narrative of all the fear mongering and the necessity of vaccines to prevent disease comebacks like measles which is why I choose not to be vaccinated. I’ve never had the flu shot either and not once have I gotten the flu during flu season. Proper hygiene goes a long way.
commented 2019-04-02 15:05:38 -0400
“PS- spare me….I don’t need to hear your conspiracy theories..” Isn’t that reminiscent of blowhards on the Left who believe their universal truths are beyond debate? Because all disease and illness can only be curbed through vaccines alone. Useful Idiot. Is Menzies the Rebel’s token NDP shill? One small factual problem Dave: the flu shot wasn’t even developed until the 1940’s and any mass vaccination program wouldn’t have happened until about a decade after that. The Spanish Flu of 1919 had burned out long before then. That strain of flu was really no different than ones we encounter today which can easily be combated without the proven useless flu shot. It was malnourishment, overcrowded medical camps and hospitals, poor hygiene that promoted bacterial superinfection giving rise to the epidemic. Modern hygiene, nutrition, medical environments is actually keeping epidemics at bay but fuck it, I’ll “spare” you those facts.
commented 2019-04-02 14:44:13 -0400
The ‘science’ is completely clear on vaccines as it is on when life begins and thus, when it can be terminated. The ‘science’ is also clear on gender being fluid and the impact of climate change with the impending doom that it will bring. Come on Rebel, I thought you’d be the one last hope in seeing through the media puppets shilling for Big Pharma. Instead of having Menzoid do this basement hackjob piece, bring on some of the actual medical experts associated with Vaccine Choice Canada, you know, the ones you’ve accepted money from in the past to have booth space at the Rebel events. Give them a forum to discuss why the “all or nothing” vaccine schedule is about as scientifically sound as the other generally accepted science pushed by the Media Party and the Establishment concerning gender, sanctity of life, climate, race and on and on and on. You’re better than this.