June 06, 2015

Are Action Bronson's lyrics really "hate speech"?

Marissa SemkiwArchive

I spoke to Marni Soupcoff of the Canadian Constitution Foundation about Action Bronson's cancelled performance at the NXNE festival in Toronto.

As we reported earlier, NXNE cancelled Bronson's concert, citing a petition that called Bronson's lyrics misogynistic, and even "hate speech."

But was this accurate, as "hate speech" is defined by law?

And should "hate speech" even be part of Canada's criminal code?

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commented 2015-06-06 23:23:08 -0400
Action Bronson’s base sensibilities are not and should not be, illegal. But, how is it that so many in our society have such a low sensibility quotient? Action Bronson and Shakespeare may have equal freedom of speech but why do so many favour Action Bronson? It’s as if we can’t say shit stinks, anymore.
commented 2015-06-06 21:29:27 -0400
Pamela Geller was recently asked:
“Is there anything which ought to qualify as hate speech and be banned?”

NO – not because it’s “hateful” (because that sort of nonsense is only making subjective assessments based on emotions;) and “HATE” is really only the perfectly natural human response of perpetual anger towards ongoing crimes (like islam); without ‘hate’ we would never bother to accuse criminals of their crimes in order to stop those crimes.

Unreasonable false displays of hatred and anger on the other hand, are what the Left is good at – but that’s already illegal, not because of the anger displayed, that’s just the packaging, but because it’s fraudulent slander.

Such criminal leftists who try to make “hate” into a crime, only ever make it ‘illegal’ to hate crime itself!

Speech which is already disallowed is incitement of immediate violence and death-threats… and even those aren’t illegal, if say they call for the police to use violence to counter ongoing mob violence and looting, or call for the death-penalty for murderers!
commented 2015-06-06 16:05:59 -0400
I think we should have complete “Freedom of Speech” laws in Canada as is in the US because as it is now, the laws are too vague and it is up to the courts, lawyers and Human Rights Commissions to decide on whether something is hate speech according to their thoughts which is mostly wrong thinking.
commented 2015-06-06 14:02:46 -0400
I could fill a couple of pages of this forum with castration and “gendercide” advocacy….but advocate bodily mutilation as a corporal punishment for false accusation as in “cut the lying bitch’s tongue out” and flags go up.

So even drawing the line at “threat” has problems….as in “KILL THE UMPIRE

We have reached a point where you dare not say that someone’s shit stinks. If someone in the washroom cubicle next to you drops a wolf egg and you say “could we have a courtesy flush?” You risk a response of “WHAT ARE YOU AN ANTI-SEMITE?” followed by an investigation by mall security in which the aggrieved points out that swastika graffiti was found scratched into the paint of your cubicle …proof you are indeed an anti-semite….any issue of the fact that EVERYONE’S shit stinks…notwithstanding…

And on the subject matter of expression of hatred and contempt of the opposite sex….let me assure you that feminist are indeed convinced that their shit does not stink…..:-)

This particular case is quite apparently all about the fact that the rapper is Caucasian . And freedom of speech has not been lost or impeded upon by any other group…if I am wrong cite me examples.

I no longer watch Russell Peters since he declared that his skin colour is a barrier to entry to all comedians who would make ethnic humour….he is afraid of competition from white comedians like ….oh say me for instance….:-)
commented 2015-06-06 11:40:52 -0400
I think it is sad that Canada has not adopted the First Amendment verbatim. It seems like the most logical place to draw the line in the sand. Very clear, you can say anything as long as you don’t physically harm another person (direct threats excluded). There are people out there who don’t like receiving emails in all caps lock because it makes them “feel” like they they are being yelled at, never mind the context of the email. We will be pandering to these types forever, it will be an endless stream of silly nanny’s backing up our courts while pedophiles walk the street.

Not having the First Amendment only makes me think that political parties at some point may want to infringe on that right for their own gain.
commented 2015-06-06 11:29:35 -0400
Yep – the socialist playbook strikes again. Hyperbole, name calling crap pumped by the MSM.
All these educated sheeple and not an original thought of their own – just led around by their noses – much like cattle.

And if these comments/my opinions offend you, I don’t care. Grow up and learn acceptance of others.
commented 2015-06-06 11:09:59 -0400
Hate speech is a buzzword for silencing opinions, no speech that doesn’t lead to direct violence or danger should ever be limited. The SCOTUS definiton should be as applicable in Canada as the USA “clear and present danger”. Sorry if certain words or thoughts offend you, but some offend me, suck it up and deal with it. Asking the state to outlaw words in anyway only stifles thought evolution.
commented 2015-06-06 10:47:27 -0400
Any time free speech is restricted in any way it is no longer free by its very definition.
commented 2015-06-06 10:24:45 -0400
I believe that an artist has the right to perform, even if they offend certain peoples sensibilities and even consider it necessary sometimes to bring attention to an issue. I also believe that I as part of the audience I have the right to express my displeasure by walking out of the performance.

The way things are headed it wont be long before voting conservative will be declared hate speech.
commented 2015-06-06 10:08:05 -0400
I agree with Marnie. Canada’s hate speech prosecutions use our courts for partisan, not justice purposes, especially on this issue. And that threatens freedom, democracy and security. I favour free sppech, full stop.

Hate speech in Canada is any speech that advocates genocide or incites hatred toward an identifiable group. But no police has ever so much as batted an eye whenever I have reported that campus cop at Brock U. who openly advocated genocide of all the Jews. That cop was promoted, in fact. Hate speech law in Canada is used to gag certain ideas and to oppress free thought.

Hate speech law is not fairly applied in an equitable manner and that alone is, in my view, grounds to scrap it entirely. There is no law in Canada to “not be offended”. That is false. But what incites hatred is almost as open to subjective interpretation and bias as “offensive speech” is.

As for Action Bronson, his lyrics promote a little more than “aggressive sex”. They promote forcible sodomy. I hope none of the rebels who have repeatedly posted disdain for homosexual sex thinks forcibly sodomizing a woman is okay so long as it is a heterosexual committing the crime and a woman who is the victim. I personally am not a fan of Bronson.

Bronson’s Consensual Rape lyrics are vulgar but interspersed, ludicrously, with lots of food metaphors. Anyone with an ounce of discernment will realize they are satirical. Sex as food, women as meat, the violent male appetite and so on. I guess where the danger lies, if it lies at all, in the concrete-thinking fans who might explain to police their bloody prey by citing Bronson’s lyrics.

Really? I’d like someone, some day, to do a story on the oppression suffered by those Canadians who exercise freedom of expression and freedom of conscience to challenge, with evidence, police reports, and court action, the real evil corruption that has rotted modern Canadian civil society. It’s not that different than what has happened in France, Britain and Europe. The iceberg of corruption just remains below the surface of public and media recognition but is no less a threat therefore.

In the meantime, we are reduced to debating frivilous cases of “injustice” like this one.