May 15, 2017

March For Life: Pro-lifers, pro-choicers — and communists

Rebel Staff

Last week I went to Ottawa to attend the March For Life, Canada's largest gathering of Pro-Life activists.

Thousands of people marched on behalf of the unborn in defiance of the violent left wing extremists trying to shut them down.

I spoke to Pro-Lifers with opinions grounded in both science and spirituality, and pro-choicers who have no problem with Canada being the only G8 nation without an abortion law

WATCH to see my attempt to speak with the communists who were more interested in starting a riot.

Conservative Party of Canada leadership contender/Pro-Life rock star Pierre Lemieux was in attendance, my colleague Brian Lilley spoke to him about his thoughts on the race and how to beat Trudeau in 2019.

I also had the pleasure of interviewing Saira Blair, a young female pro-life West Virginia State legislator who the mainstream media would rather ignore.

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commented 2017-05-16 18:49:56 -0400
Kelly Weber, again, re-read what I said to Jack Carter. You are missing the point of two examples of why I disagree with his statement, " “There are tons of unwanted children in foster care and not getting adopted. There is no shortage of children for people who want to adopt, so we don’t need to add to that number of unwanted children.” He is using this argument to advocate for abortion, I’m saying he hasn’t considered the reasons why there are adoptable children in foster care waiting for someone to adopt them, I gave two examples for him to ponder. I would hope he can see his argument isn’t well thought out.
commented 2017-05-16 18:41:27 -0400
No I didn’t miss her point. She is basically saying the kids are unadoptable and will be a crown ward until there 21 at which point they will be dumped into society.
commented 2017-05-16 18:18:58 -0400
Kelly , you missed Tammy’s point. The foster families try hard but the system of social workers who are mostly single or not parents themselves keep screwing it up by yanking thesis kids away to try out the latest brainwave from some lefty in a university who also has never raised kids.

Here is what she finished with:

TAMMIE PUTINSKI-ZANDBELT commented 1 hour ago.
“The abused and neglected babies have a challenge when it comes to adoption too, CPS will work with parents extensively, over and over to try and reunite them as a family…even when it looks futile. So, these babies grow, have foster-parents who care for them and then have to say good-bye, until the child enters the system again. So, they become toddlers, then children entering school and the time for adoption is marching on.”
commented 2017-05-16 18:14:27 -0400
Kelly Weber, NO, that is not what I am saying. Go back and re-read what I said to Jack Carter in the first line of my post.
commented 2017-05-16 18:14:20 -0400
Jack Carter.
The system for adoption is so unwieldy because the left wing do gooders have made it so. In our area there are lots of people who want to adopt but by the time they jump through all the hoops the kids are in their late teens and usually fairly angry and unmanageable. And it isn’t like the system is protecting them.

Our next door neighbours have 3 children by birth and one by adoption and 2 are foster kids. They are mostly high needs children.

In our small church ( 45 people,ages up to the 80’s) there are 3 kids fostered by a single mom and 3 more in another family. Of those 6 only 2 are not special needs. Some have been in those homes for 10 years- unless CFS yanks them out for some brilliant plan. We have probably had 20 or more foster kids in our church in the last 20 years.

So for some people, no child is ever unwanted. Except by the selfish and self-absorbed left wing.

You still didn’t answer my question about Chesterton’s idea. Wouldn’t that be simpler and cheaper? And the mothers still get to have the last say.
commented 2017-05-16 17:25:49 -0400
TAMMIE PUTINSKI-ZANDBELT , so what you’re saying is that it would be better for all involved if those drug and alcohol addicted babies had not been born.
commented 2017-05-16 17:12:34 -0400
Jack Carter,The foster care system is not a good example to use for a pro-abortion argument, “There are tons of unwanted children in foster care and not getting adopted. There is no shortage of children for people who want to adopt, so we don’t need to add to that number of unwanted children.”

Carefully research the mandates of CPS and you will discover some very interesting policies, procedures and gaps.

What is very interesting is, alcohol and drug addicted babies who are apprehended following their medical detoxification, are at risk & face enormous challenges in a number of ways at every stage of development; and will receive help and support until their 21st birthday if they are a Crown Ward. Adoptive families are left to face these challenges without this support, and are not trained to help their child to try and overcome all of the hurdles physically; cognitively; developmentally; emotionally etc… The family becomes drained in every way; and overwhelmed. Adopting another child becomes extremely risky to the family unit. Some families will look at a private adoption agency or seek an international adoption if they wish to adopt another child.

The abused and neglected babies have a challenge when it comes to adoption too, CPS will work with parents extensively, over and over to try and reunite them as a family…even when it looks futile. So, these babies grow, have foster-parents who care for them and then have to say good-bye, until the child enters the system again. So, they become toddlers, then children entering school and the time for adoption is marching on. Eventually, CPS will apply for Crown Wardship and the child has lived with total upheaval during his/her short life. This presents a sad reality, and, some of children learn not to trust the adults that are supposed to be help them navigate this life. What happens to them? It doesn’t take a psychologist to predict that mal-adjustment is a real concern; and very low self-esteem. This can snowball into very self-destructive behaviour with very troubling consequences.
commented 2017-05-16 15:10:32 -0400
If the pro-choice peoples mothers had had abortions this subject most likely wouldn’t even be an issue. It is against the law to kill yourself so what is the difference? Unless you have been raped or are in medical distress you do not have the right to kill the product of your own stupidity and irresponsibility. Because it is stupid and irresponsible not to use contraception when it is so readily available these days. The babies body is not your body to dispose of as you wish.

There is becoming less and less responsibility or accountability for one’s actions. You can see it in how the politicians are behaving. They do whatever they like regardless if it is against the law and get away with it. When the leaders behave so poorly; what can you expect from the citizens?
commented 2017-05-16 12:31:48 -0400
Allan Peterson,

There are tons of unwanted children in foster care and not getting adopted. There is no shortage of children for people who want to adopt, so we don’t need to add to that number of unwanted children.
commented 2017-05-16 12:10:42 -0400
“So why is putting a child up for adoption not a viable “choice” Or even the best choice if a mother can’t raise the child? The birth mothers of our adopted daughters made that “choice” at 15 years old since they knew that having an abortion was killing their babies. One wrote to us of her revulsion to that idea. ’

It IS a viable choice, and is available and used by those who choose to do so.

The law can’t force a woman to carry it to term, though, since such a law would violate her constitutional rights… but she can very easily choose to do so. That ability to choose is what matters.
commented 2017-05-16 11:17:13 -0400
JACK CARTER commented 7 hours ago
“Here is one random example with a quick Google search.”

“For many women, however; having a child isn’t realistic. Maybe they don’t have the emotional or financial support needed to raise a child, maybe the pregnancy is a result of a sexual assault, maybe a baby doesn’t fit into the plan they have for their immediate future, or maybe they simply don’t want a child. A woman is the one that will have to live with her decision, whatever that might be, and has to choose what’s best for her. Nothing is ever black and white and every pregnancy is different. The choice should always be there for women to make. Abortions have occurred throughout history, whether they were legal or not, and they will continue to do occur as such. At the very least, legal abortions have allowed women safe medical procedures and care that many didn’t have before.”

So why is putting a child up for adoption not a viable “choice” Or even the best choice if a mother can’t raise the child? The birth mothers of our adopted daughters made that “choice” at 15 years old since they knew that having an abortion was killing their babies. One wrote to us of her revulsion to that idea.

When I took my daughter to see her birth mother and grandmother the grandmother, who had at first insisted on a abortion, held her and cried for 10 minutes when she saw what her selfish “choice” would have destroyed. F

Funny how in all this rhetoric for choice adoption is never e mentioned.

I still like G. K. Chesterton’s approach to abortion:

“The obvious course for Eugenists is to act towards babies as they act towards kittens. Let all the babies be born; and then let us drown those we do not like.”

What would be wrong with that approach?
commented 2017-05-16 11:09:00 -0400
SPACE MOOSE commented 9 hours ago
“I support abortion.”
Well Space Moose you still have ignored my question to you twice now. Atlas you’re honest. You favour abortion-not “choice”. I wish that more of your kind would show that evil, self-absorbed reality instead of the BS we usually get.
commented 2017-05-16 04:27:44 -0400
Here is one random example with a quick Google search.

3 Reasons Why I Am Conservative And Pro-Choice

Now, I understand that many of you that clicked on this link probably disagree with me just by looking at the title of this article, but I also think there are some of you who don’t. Maybe being pro-choice makes me a bad conservative but truth be told, I don’t believe both of those things are mutually exclusive and here’s 3 reasons why:

1) Conservatives believe that the government shouldn’t tell people what to do with their lives.

A core value of conservatism is the belief in small government. This belief asserts that the government can’t and shouldn’t be able to tell people what they are and aren’t allowed to do, as long as it doesn’t affect other people. I believe that this principle also applies to women’s bodies. Conservatives believe that government does not have the power to take away guns or demand people to pay for healthcare. Therefore, I believe government should not be allowed to dictate what a woman does with her body. Government exists to maintain order and ensure that there are laws in place so that everyone is protected. This point can often lead to the argument that abortion is going against just that because the fetus is being harmed, which leads me to my next point.

2) There is no substantial evidence that a fetus can feel pain or has higher cognitive functioning until after 24 weeks.

One of the most frequently used arguments against abortion is that it hurts the fetus and that the fetus is conscientiously aware of what is happening. However, other than the study conducted by Dr. Kanwaljeet Anand, evidence shows that a fetus does not begin to develop the neural connections needed for pain reception until 24 weeks. Studies indicate that much of the movement felt before then is simply reflexive. The connections and nervous system have developed enough for the fetus to feel pain between 29 and 30 weeks, a theory that has been tested on premature newborns. Even then, most scientists believe that because of a lack of oxygen in the brain and heavy sedation in the womb, a fetus is not truly conscious until it is born and detached from the umbilical cord. Because of this, and because most abortions occur before 12 weeks, abortion does not cause pain to a conscious human being.

There are only four abortion clinics in the United States where doctors perform third trimester abortions. Those clinics are never walk-in and women who utilize that service often have something seriously wrong with the fetus. These women must undergo counseling and an interview before they are approved for a late-term abortion.

3) It’s Pro-CHOICE, not Pro-Abortion

Much of my belief in a woman’s right to choose is just that, it should be a choice. I’m not saying that women should have abortions or should even feel pressured to have an abortion; I am saying that the choice should at least be there. If a woman is pregnant and the thought of an abortion doesn’t even cross her mind, good for her.

For many women, however; having a child isn’t realistic. Maybe they don’t have the emotional or financial support needed to raise a child, maybe the pregnancy is a result of a sexual assault, maybe a baby doesn’t fit into the plan they have for their immediate future, or maybe they simply don’t want a child. A woman is the one that will have to live with her decision, whatever that might be, and has to choose what’s best for her. Nothing is ever black and white and every pregnancy is different. The choice should always be there for women to make. Abortions have occurred throughout history, whether they were legal or not, and they will continue to do occur as such. At the very least, legal abortions have allowed women safe medical procedures and care that many didn’t have before.

I know a lot of people might disagree with me on this and that’s okay. It is helpful to hear out other people’s opinions to better and strengthen your own arguments and opinions. It is my firm belief that a party that has always stood up for the individual shouldn’t oppose something that is ultimately an individual choice.

http://futurefemaleleader.com/opinion-3-reasons-conservative-pro-choice/
commented 2017-05-16 04:24:24 -0400
Apparently people here don’t realize that there are right wing/Republicans that are also pro-choice. It’s not just a liberal thing.
commented 2017-05-16 03:00:29 -0400
Is abortion by Lefty’s so they have no one to pass the torch to a bad thing? I abhor late term abortion, but maybe we should leave well enough alone?

Notice how the Lefty’s strongly favour dictating how we live our lives, right up until it comes to themselves!! Next time they try to dictate something to you, simply respond with; “it’s my life/body, it’s my choice”, which, in essence is what John Locke espoused, (you own your own eyes, ears, mouth, emotions etc, and nobody has the authority to tell you what to do with them).
commented 2017-05-16 00:48:01 -0400
The left wing extremists in black and red with covered faces are ghouls, agents of death for everything that is sacred. A sick twisted bunch of vultures.
commented 2017-05-16 00:44:19 -0400
Yes we need a law.

Bill, I think the tissue harvesting industry is bigger and more lucrative than we think. Since we are the only G20 country without a law I suspect there is also an export market. There is already precedent as you have pointed out so how hard can it be for a government to come up with a number between 12 and 24 weeks. I would like to see it at 12.
That woman who purported to represent all the women in her union, had a strong enough opinion to carry a sign at a march but seemed to not know that we have no restrictions whatsoever(that’s how it sounded, I could be wrong) but would not give an opinion on it being good or bad. I don’t think most of these women can follow the train of thought past “my body my choice”. Have any of them even thought the abortion issue through?
commented 2017-05-16 00:00:58 -0400
These pro choice people who believe in late term abortions should be forced to watch one of these abortions where they are pulling out the babies limbs with a pair of forceps.
commented 2017-05-15 23:25:06 -0400
When the powers that be or these liberals speak to human consciousness and the fetus one would assume that the mother would have another human consciousness to defend the life of her baby up to and including her own life.!!
commented 2017-05-15 22:10:42 -0400
It’s really too bad that those pro-choicers weren’t aborted – seems they all have soft-minded libtard “opinions”.

@ Leviticus 2013
…too bad most of these recent “refugees” don’t want anything to do with WORK. We are supposed to serve & provide for these scum-bags, hand & foot.
They (Islamists) keep on telling us they are here for only ONE reason – to overtake our country for their own chaotic utopia of sharia law. What part of these threats do the TruDope Libtarded lunatics not understand???
Why are immigrants not granted Canadian citizenship – who have something to contribute to the Canadian way of life? …or those who really value being Canadian?
commented 2017-05-15 21:48:06 -0400
Jay, to make a correction – we are the only G20 nation who has not put a limit on the term in which an abortion can take place without said operation becoming a case of infanticide. The average term limit in G20 nations is 14 weeks with longest term allowed being in Singapore with 24 weeks being the limit there.

What this displays is that our lawmakers are are not morally or ethically evolved enough to debate the issue of protecting the life of an unborn citizen or perhaps too scientifically inept to detrmine the point of human consciousness – either that or we have undue political pressure from corporate medicine which make billions from abortion tourism and the lucrative market in “harvested tissue” from this industry..
commented 2017-05-15 21:34:47 -0400
You tell ’em Jay!
commented 2017-05-15 21:23:21 -0400
Incredible Jay. You should be CBC lead story
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. God love you
commented 2017-05-15 21:14:25 -0400
What about the families that want babies SO BAD? Please let babies live!
commented 2017-05-15 20:25:23 -0400
Both Hitler and Stalin would be happy with the situation that is in process right now. Their dreams are coming true. The World will be ruled by the Elitist Club and the Workers will be inbred retards, who will work for basic wages.

The new workers are being imported right now, as soon as there is enough of them, they will start on their first chore and that will be the elimination of all normal people. In other words, Us, You and I.

The elitist Gang, like Merkel, Macron, Trudeau and so on, will sit back in their Castles and watch, with glee.

If you have Children, have them sterilized now, this way you will not have Grand Children to be murdered.

We need to be aware of our real enemy. View these two short video’s, keeping in mind that I am a Limey by birth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T881-ylr4PE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-scWF3C-LUc
commented 2017-05-15 20:02:12 -0400
Excellent report Jay!
How odd the union mouth objected to students being given the time to attend, and, was offended tax dollars are funding the school trip…. where does she think hospitals get their funding for abortions from?
commented 2017-05-15 18:45:35 -0400
Anysociety that trivializes divorce and abortion to the level of a haircut is destined to be replaced by one that did not. That is not religion…that is not science….that is simple arithmatic.
commented 2017-05-15 18:09:35 -0400
It’s strange that about 20 years ago maybe 25, families were discouraged from having children then fast forward to present time and we are now told we have a labor shortage and foreign workers are necessary along with unbridled migration to fill the labor gaps…
Abortion is an immoral tool/practice used to manipulate the masses and force policies on them that society would otherwise abandon.
There are always physical and medical exceptions but abortion shouldn’t be for convenience.