March 15, 2015

ATF is still coming for your M855 green tip ammo

Brian LilleyArchive

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms announced this week that in light of overwhelmingly negative comments, they won't ban the most popular type of AR-15 ammo.

But they did say they would be back.

I explain just how the ATF can do this -- and how the law must be changed to stop it.

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commented 2015-03-17 10:37:23 -0400
The 7.62×25 Tokarev pistol round will penetrate a kevlar helmet (both sides) at 25 yards…a .44 magnum won’t. It will also penetrate up to level 4 body armour at that distance. But AFT is not calling for a ban of Tokarev. I don’t know of any pistol that will chamber NATO 5.56. It would have a nasty kick .
commented 2015-03-16 21:31:16 -0400
Yeah! a cartridge COULD maybe be used against a police officer if IMPROPERLY placed in a hand gun. Well thought out…a car COULD go off the road IMPROPERLY and kill a police officer. Therefore a car should be banned too? How about an ambulance?…How about a police vehicle? Whatever it takes, eh? Not sure the logic is all there?
commented 2015-03-16 16:49:42 -0400
Peter, your comments are about guns and gun control are right on the nose. I’ll never give up my guns no matter what the loony left says or does and every gun owner I know feels the same way for the reasons you state. Some are hunters – I’m not – but all want protection against intruders and government. If the crazy Socialists/Liberals/Marxists/Communists think we’ll take their crap, then they don’t know us at all.
commented 2015-03-16 14:24:03 -0400
This will never end, this move by the far left to take control of every aspect of society and life. They can’t achieve that goal if people can resist, and there is no greater resistance than an armed populace. You don’t have to be one of those bunker living nuts to realize that the battle is one where freedom and democracy is being attacked by oppression and socialism. You just have to read the news and study history, our history, and follow the bread crumbs to reach that conclusion. Those that dismiss that reality, are either uninformed, willfully ignorant, or are complicit. An armed society is a free and safe society. Every historic example proves this conclusively with clear facts.
commented 2015-03-16 08:14:36 -0400
“Bill: Well, it’s nice finding where the old Sun Media comments crowd are hanging these days.” That must have been difficult Babblycan. Sherlock homes would have been impressed. Your name is new of course, presumably you are ashamed to use your real name. Are you one of the leftists that believe 9/11 was instigated by: (a) CIA (b) Jewish conspiracy © anyone but a Muslim? Always nice to know who you’re communicating with.
commented 2015-03-16 07:33:23 -0400
Bill: Well, it’s nice finding where the old Sun Media comments crowd are hanging these days. But no, there’s not really a lot to learn from these little no-budget video clips, except how to fill online space without actual journalistic skills or substance. Valerie – really, you need to make up your own lines.
commented 2015-03-15 22:30:28 -0400
Guy, the M855 (SS109) round was not designed for hunters, it is a military round. It was designed to achieve helmet penetration at 600 metres. The standard 5.56 NATO round (M193) round could not do this. The M855 is a heavier round with a steel core, which increases penetration. Here’s the history:
commented 2015-03-15 17:04:24 -0400
Mea Culpa – Green Tip ammo is not plastic tipped as I had been told and is still full metal jacket. I do not think I would not use it to hunt if I ever decided to go hunting again.
commented 2015-03-15 16:47:29 -0400
Rust, crime and tyranny never sleep. Keep your gun oiled and handy.
commented 2015-03-15 16:09:26 -0400
Babulican – I gather you’re referring to CBC’s website which is, indeed, hilarious. Its stories completely lack facts and research but those who are mentally unstable take its information as gospel. Utterly bizarre.
commented 2015-03-15 16:03:41 -0400
For those who do not hunt and do not know what an AR-15 or CZ-858 are, the Green Tip ammunition is meant for let me help you out.
AR-15 is a semi automatic rifle that looks the same as an M-16 both were designed to fire full metal jacket ammunition. The Green Tip ammunition was developed for hunters because full metal jacket ammunition is not effective at quickly dispatching game but the Green Tip is designed to reduce suffering of game.
CZ-858 is a semiautomatic rifle that looks the same as an AK-47.
As for the green tip ammunition being used in a hand gun … it is a rifle cartridge! If you built a handgun to shoot the Green Tip ammo, it could also shoot standard AR-15 ammo which has a full metal jacket and would likely be more effective at penetrating the vests of law enforcement. That is a red herring just to trick people who are anti-gun into thinking there is a good reason.
Full metal Jacket ammunition was designed for war and was intended to be less lethal but disabling for opposing soldiers. If mushroom or fragmentation bullets were used, the damage would be much more lethal and almost certainly lead to death by blood loss.
commented 2015-03-15 15:52:20 -0400
Keep posting, babblycan, as you say, your postings make the web site hilarious. Hopefully you can learn something from a point of view different from that fed to you from MSM.
commented 2015-03-15 15:47:24 -0400
M855 that should be, of course.
commented 2015-03-15 13:47:46 -0400
Valerie, I LOVE the website. It’s hilarious.
commented 2015-03-15 13:36:04 -0400
Why are Firearms linked with Tobacco and Alcohol? I see the connection between the latter 2 but there’s no connection to Firearms.
All this will do is cause people to buy, buy, buy, then bury what they’ve bought. Hunters will find a way to get the ammo they want regardless of what’s banned. Americans have a constitutional right to own firearms and they will never give that up. Canadians can never give up their right to own firearms either because if Turdo becomes PM, we may need them after he floods the country with muslims.
commented 2015-03-15 13:29:39 -0400
Balbulican – If you don’t like this website, go to the CBC where you’ll feel more comfortable. I have to pay for it even though I never use it. I was happy to pay for the Rebel because the commentators on SNN were the only news people who ever did any actual research on their stories. The CBC is opinion-based rather than news-based and I disagree with its opinions but my money goes there regardless.
commented 2015-03-15 13:27:16 -0400
Phil, I think what you mean is that other media in Canada report perspectives that are not exclusively those of Harper’s Conservatives.
commented 2015-03-15 13:06:39 -0400
I can add to Bill’s comment that the mainstream media in Canada is chuck full of opposition sympathizers including Pro- Palistinian, anti-harper, anti-Israel, anti-Alberta, anti-tradtional family values. This is the reason Rebel Media is a “rebel”.
commented 2015-03-15 12:06:49 -0400
Mainly because this info is not readily available anywhere else.
commented 2015-03-15 11:44:54 -0400
I’m looking at the headline stories showing for “Rebel” media as of 11:35 am on Sunday. There are 15 stories displayed. Of those fifteen stories:
Four reinforce Harper’s statements on “Muslims” and “Canadian Values”.
Three oppose regulation of firearms and ammunition.
Two slam anti-Israel protests.
One endorses the Conservative party’s Bill C51.
One attacks Justin Trudeau.
One attacks Greenpeace.
One argues for privatization of a Crown asset.
Now, it’s perfectly fine that this outlet serves as a mouthpiece for the Harper Government. But may I ask: why, is an internet channel devoted pretty much exclusively to propagandizing on behalf of a majority government calling itself “The Rebel”?