July 17, 2019

Banning conversion therapy across Canada opens transgender debate

David MenziesMission Specialist

Conversion therapy is a questionable psychological process meant to convert gay people into straight people.

Many homosexual and heterosexual people alike are outraged over this practice.

So, these people are likely cheering the recent about-face of the Trudeau Liberals. In March, the government rejected an 18,000 name petition calling to ban conversion therapy on the grounds that it's a provincial and territorial issue, not federal.

But now, according to a recent letter signed by two Liberal cabinet ministers and an Alberta MP, the feds are looking at ways to reform the Criminal Code to ban the practice of conversion therapy nationwide.

Why the Liberals flip-flopped on this issue in a space of just three months remains unknown.

Maybe they now agree with those who have studied conversion therapy, who have come to the conclusion that this process simply does not work. 

But here’s the rub: if we’re being told that the “conversion” of people is bad in terms of trying to make gay people straight people, why do we cheer on males converting into females and vice-versa – even when we are talking about male and female children who haven’t reached puberty yet?

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commented 2019-09-05 17:20:03 -0400
Sexual Dystopia is a medically scientific factual mental condition, it refers to DELUSIONS, and no medical college on earth has ever stated otherwise!
commented 2019-09-05 17:17:35 -0400
It needs to be enshrined in our Constitution that people who suffer “delusions” be required to keep their medical concerns private between themselves and their quacks!
commented 2019-07-19 21:11:08 -0400
LIZA ROSIE commented 1 day ago
“We don’t know enough about biology to say anything definitive”

Says the post modernist embracing relativist who believes that there is such a thing as subjective truth. "

I’m sure there is ultimately a cause, we just don’t know what it is yet.

There’s a difference between “embracing relativism” and admitting we don’t fully understand something .

DUKE OF PADUCAH commented 19 hours ago
And again, Andrew spouts off opinion as fact. No evidence is ever given.”

There’s plenty of evidence, it’s just a bit more sophisticated than the youtube videos conservatives seem to need.

““Transitioning actually reduces the suicide rate” ? ? ?
More absolute nonsense from Andrew . . . It is a Mental Disorder up until a few years ago when a group of LA Pseudo Scientists decided otherwise . . . "

Unfortunately, what you proclaim as “nonsense” is actually true. Yes, it was classified as a disorder until recently, but it doesn’t mean much on its own, other than the existence of better information. The list of “disorders” constantly changes as we realize some things are actually normal variants, and discover new pathologies.
commented 2019-07-19 01:53:56 -0400
And again, Andrew spouts off opinion as fact. No evidence is ever given.
commented 2019-07-18 21:20:04 -0400
Andrew Stephenson sorry i misconstrued your comment as meaning they equal gender MY BAD! Technically they do exist.
commented 2019-07-18 18:17:43 -0400
“We don’t know enough about biology to say anything definitive”

Says the post modernist embracing relativist who believes that there is such a thing as subjective truth.

The tranny train is almost entirely a social and peer contagion. A fad. Most children who are not ‘tampered’ with by relativists, grow up accepting the sex they were born with. At 18 adults make all sorts of stupid choices, but you are an adult so the choices are yours to make. Leave those kids alone. The cbc should be dismantled brick by brick for pushing such a twisted agenda. I have compassion for those adults who have made the choice to transition, but I have nothing but contempt for those who peddle it to children. I consider them criminals.
commented 2019-07-18 17:25:18 -0400
@Andrew . . . everything about the Gender nonsense is Contrived by Psychologists & Psychiatrists . . . . it is not “Science” is is opinions & pseudo science.
Masters & Johnston did an extensive study on the same-sex gang in the 80s . . . released their study in late 1989 saying it was a “Learned Phenom” . . . and the indoctrinated media ignored them. Today we know that it is a “Lifestyle” which many have abandoned over the decades.

“Transitioning actually reduces the suicide rate” ? ? ?
More absolute nonsense from Andrew . . . It is a Mental Disorder up until a few years ago when a group of LA Pseudo Scientists decided otherwise . . .
The Plan . . . access to the Children, the dream of deviates everywhere.

Watch the videos Andy and learn something . . . .
commented 2019-07-18 13:46:55 -0400
“Biology & Science say the otherwise.”

We don’t know enough about biology to say anything definitive. As a whole it’s a lot more complex than you were taught in grade 9 in 1968. There’s a lot we don’t understand about human biology, and the translation of genetic sex to physical to psychological is one of them. One of the overarching conclusions of the genomics era is that genetic determinism is pretty much flat out wrong. It’\s not just what genes you have that counts, but how you use them.

If your model doesn’t adequately explain your observations, then the scientific solution is to improve your model, not to discard the dissenting observations.

DALE WARREN commented 11 mins ago
@ Andrew . . . . you just don’t know what you just don’t know . . . . lol "

At least I understand the limitations of science.

“Sadly . . . a very high percentage of post-op trannies wind up committing suicide. "

It’s even higher among pre-op and closeted individuals. Transitioning actually reduces the suicide rate, although it is indeed high in absolute terms. As I said to Glenn half a page ago, it’s a moderately effective treatment for dysphoria, not a miracle cure.

It’s interesting that you rely on rambling anecdotes on Youtube rather than say, the much more valuable “systematic reviews” in the medical literature.
commented 2019-07-18 13:21:20 -0400
@ Andrew . . . . you just don’t know what you just don’t know . . . . lol

David Berlinski is the author of a number of books, including the recent volumes One, Two, Three: Absolutely Elementary Mathematics and The Devil’s Delusion: Atheism and Its Scientific Pretensions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyxUwaq00Rc
commented 2019-07-18 13:01:36 -0400
Hacsi Horvath is an expert in systematic review methods, assessing bias in research studies and evaluating the certainty of evidence across studies in a given body of scientific literature. He is an adjunct Lecturer in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco.

Former Transgender Activist: Transitioning Is Dangerous—Especially For Youth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJMMqREtQJc
commented 2019-07-18 12:13:50 -0400
@ Andrew . . . .
“We know for a fact that genetic, physical, and mentally intersex individuals exist.” ? ? ?
Fact . . . absolute Nonsense Andrew. It is only because they say so . . . they use Emotion & Feelings . . . Biology & Science say the otherwise.

Many of these folks are “Groomed” by loonie parents or parent from a very young age . . . this is 21st Century Child Abuse !
Sadly . . . a very high percentage of post-op trannies wind up committing suicide.

Want some facts . . . watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlRkLtKqSrY
commented 2019-07-18 12:09:12 -0400
METTE REED commented 3 hours ago
What if all in the gay community are not happy with being gay? Many “gay” people have sought Christian counseling to come out of this lifestyle and did. And, now are married and living a heterosexual lifestyle.”

If they’re happy in hetero relationships, they weren’t gay, they were bi.

ALBERTA MAGA commented 10 hours ago
Andrew Stephenson now prove to me that the other 50 or so genders exist!”

I don’t think they do. It’’s a continuum and trying to compartmentalize it is silly.

“No, nothing like this ever happened in those times. People were genetically perfect with no imperfections or abnormalities at all, ever. Those only came about in the last 30 years or so.”

I thought the Jesus mythology put that at circa Noah’s time, along with 600 year lifespans and other fantastic tales of adventure. What would be truly shocking would be if it were the only religion to be trapped in its own past.

I do admit, though, that closeting technology was far better in the 80s, though it’s unclear if that was socially a better time.

ALBERTA MAGA commented 10 hours ago
Andrew Stephenson no they do not exist, "

All three exist. There is a biological basis.
Genetic – XXY/XO genotypes.
Physical: Ambiguous genitals, androgen-insensitive (XY females).
Mental: Trans/non-binary, various gender dysphorias.
commented 2019-07-18 09:49:33 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON
Glenn Craig: I’m guessinig, though…
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Kind of sums it all up.
commented 2019-07-18 08:41:36 -0400
What if all in the gay community are not happy with being gay? Many “gay” people have sought Christian counseling to come out of this lifestyle and did. And, now are married and living a heterosexual lifestyle. This same “ban” is taking place in California along with a new law that Pastors cannot speak the truth about the Homosexual lifestyle and what this is David. is an attack on Christianity. Let’s not forget the purpose behind all this indoctrination into an LGBT lifestyle. The reason is to take the population down from 6 billion to 500 million. This is a sinister plan so that these people will not be able to reproduce!
commented 2019-07-18 08:40:24 -0400
I would like to relate a story from years ago. A family friend had a daughter playing a princess in a child play. Because she was receiving all the attention, her little brother said he wanted to be a princess too. He is a family man today.

A more recent story was a school group trip to the local swimming pool. A number of boy,s declared they were female once arriving at the pool.
They wanted to go in to the girls change room.
Immediately they were told they would not be swimming or using either change room. Upon hearing they would have to explain to their parents why they were kicked out of swim class. Guess what happened a sudden change back to male.
My point is kids will always push the limits. Peoplekind is where they got this idea from.
commented 2019-07-18 02:02:49 -0400
Andrew Stephenson i truly hope one of these freaks ruins your life in the same way one day, you damn well deserve it.
commented 2019-07-18 02:01:30 -0400
Andrew Stephenson an entitled WHITE MALE forces himself on a helpless immigrant and you defended the pig.
commented 2019-07-18 01:59:30 -0400
Andrew Stephenson your hero has won. Are you glad someone lost their business because this freak wanted his genitals handled and the HRC punishes women for not wanting to be sexually assaulted.
commented 2019-07-18 01:52:30 -0400
Andrew Stephenson now prove to me that the other 50 or so genders exist!
commented 2019-07-18 01:52:02 -0400
Andrew Stephenson no they do not exist, thinking you are a different sex does not make it so.
commented 2019-07-18 01:39:13 -0400
Andrew, just a little enlightenment for you from those stupid, unscientific, hayseeds who didn’t know nuttin’:

“For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.”

Jesus of Nazareth
Matthew 19:12
commented 2019-07-18 01:35:12 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON
The Bible was written in scientifically primitive societies…
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Yeah they were a bunch of dunderheads alright. From one of the oldest books in the Bible:
“He stretches out the north over empty space And hangs the earth on nothing".
Job 26:7

The Bible was written in scientifically primitive societies that were unaware that such things could happen, or that everyone starts physically female and that development of male traits doesn’t always go perfectly.
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No, nothing like this ever happened in those times. People were genetically perfect with no imperfections or abnormalities at all, ever. Those only came about in the last 30 years or so.
commented 2019-07-18 01:29:56 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON
Nobody wants to believe lies, Al, it’s just that none of the candidates holds the high ground on this one/…
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Who is this “Al” of whom you speak?

You want to believe lies. Remember you believe that babies are literally parasites in spite of the scientific and medical evidence tot he contrary?

True none of them do, but Scheer just won’t make up his mind. Trudeau changes his with the wind. He lies. Ergo, Justin the windsock.
commented 2019-07-18 00:28:19 -0400
Andrew….have you been bikini waxed?
commented 2019-07-17 23:24:10 -0400
Bruce Atchison; "This law is directly aimed at Christians who believe the Bible. God made people male or femal with no in between stage.’

Attributing it to God is probably where you went wrong. We know for a fact that genetic, physical, and mentally intersex individuals exist. The Bible was written in scientifically primitive societies that were unaware that such things could happen, or that everyone starts physically female and that development of male traits doesn’t always go perfectly.

Evolution is inherently sloppy, way selective pressures abate when something works most of the time,before you reach 100% effectiveness. Gender differentiation seems like one of those cases.

“. Let’s see how many of those butchered kids sue in the coming decades. "
I would guess, very few. The ones experimenting with gender identity probably don’t have strong sense of gender anyway, so there’s nothing that would conflict later.
commented 2019-07-17 23:22:20 -0400
Glenn Craig: I’m guessinig, though, the motivations have changed as it moved from very fringe underground culture, to hidden mainstream, to accepted mainstream. I’d hazard a guess, that that’s very much the case, as it has been for other subcultures.

Your misandry hypothesis is fairly common, but falls apart when you realize FtM
outnumber MtF
commented 2019-07-17 22:08:10 -0400
Andrew….when I did my photojournalism study on transexuals in Montreal in the late 1970’s something I observed was how many of them said the words “mother wanted a girl”….which would make one reasonably wonder…what is the cause of gender disphoria and is it preventable….

It seems to have become an epidemic in the era of feminism and it’s culture of misandry….I am not the only one who has come to that conclusion Andrew…in fact I’ll bet Jordan peterson would agree with me.
commented 2019-07-17 21:15:45 -0400
If I had that sex-transitioning surgery done to me as a child, I’d sue. Let’s see how many of those butchered kids sue in the coming decades. By the way, The Who were way ahead of their time with their song, “I’m a Boy.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFNMQzChhZ4
commented 2019-07-17 21:05:55 -0400
Conversion therapy is for those who want to leave the perversion death-style. This law is directly aimed at Christians who believe the Bible. God made people male or femal with no in between stage. And like Jesus said in John 3:19, “And this is the test by which men are judged: the light has come into the world and men have more love for the dark than for the light, because their acts are evil.”