April 25, 2018

Battle to shut down critics of gender theory heats up — Why parents can’t be silent (Guest: Laura-Lynn Tyler Thompson)

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Host | The Gunn Show

 

Things are changing fast in the country for parents rights. They’re eroding in the West under NDP governments and they stand to be restored in Ontario if Doug Ford wins the general election.

But where does the erosion start?

I want to show you a short video of a British Columbia teacher speaking at a teachers’ conference about the language of the SOGI 123 sex ed curriculum. The teacher is encouraging educators to refrain from using gendered language to identify small children in the classroom.

They aren’t little boys and girls anymore, raised by moms and dads. They are students with no genders raised by parent 1 and parent 2, if they’re lucky.

We need to be aware that these are the people educating our kids.

The left frequently calls parental concerns about the push to eliminate children’s genders a conspiracy theory from fundamentalist wackos, but here we see the evidence on video — from one teacher to many others.

Joining me tonight to discuss this creep-show of a video and the war on critics of gender theory in our sex ed curriculums is Christian broadcaster and author, Laura-Lynn Tyler Thompson.

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commented 2018-04-27 11:28:17 -0400
Drew Wakariuk commented 10 hours ago

“And try telling the left that race is a non issue will go down well, try floating that around the University.
And eating ethnic food is not racial fluidity , it is a matter of what one likes to eat. "

Being able to fly isn’t in the normal range of human physiology.

Then what is “racial fluidity”? That’s the point I’m trying to make – it’s a silly comparison, since “race” isn’t usually an identity that can be fluid. It’s usually a reference to culture, which is more granular than that.

If you can’t even tell me what your argument means, it’s probably pretty meaningless.
commented 2018-04-27 01:13:15 -0400
Colin very good question.
commented 2018-04-27 01:09:42 -0400
Andrew having dysphoria does not change your gender.
commented 2018-04-27 01:09:18 -0400
Andrew no that is not the point of the bill people are what they are, not what they want to be. Wanting to be called Superman does not make you fly.
And try telling the left that race is a non issue will go down well, try floating that around the University.
And eating ethnic food is not racial fluidity , it is a matter of what one likes to eat.
commented 2018-04-26 23:24:56 -0400
Liza, “flippin mad” is right.

The ideology is flawed, the people pushing this are equally flawed. Don’t worry, it will all come out, it will be shocking and upsetting….the truth will finally make it to the surface. People are waking up.
commented 2018-04-26 22:48:36 -0400
no, lets not and say we did Andrew.
commented 2018-04-26 22:46:50 -0400
That’s what gets me Tammie, a lot of the advocates for this ideology have no children, where do they get off telling parents what they have to do? I’m not saying all are mentally ill, but some, particularly the ones that advocate for early transitioning are, and they are a threat. They need to mind their own business, stay away from developing young minds and stay the heck out of the school system.
This is ’ basic sex ed’ gone flippin mad!
We think its bad now, just wait til this batch of ‘messed with’ kids reach adulthood, what a nightmare that is going be for society.
commented 2018-04-26 22:41:18 -0400
“liza rosie commented 27 mins ago
Tammie, in Andrew’s world they make up science as they go along to fit their narrative. "

No. Science is about taking observations and trying to develop models that explain observations. Gender dysphoria exists. Therefore, the models must acknowledge that.

So, let’s take the usual argument. OK, so most (though not all) humans are XX and XY, and the Y chromosome contains a signal on it to trigger differentiation of the male state. If you don’t get that signal, you develop female. We can therefore hypothesize that the strictly binary nature of inheriting the SRY gene on the Y chromosome somehow manifests in strictly binary mental development. However, we can directly observe that that’s not the case, so clearly the hypothesis is incorrect.

That’s what science is. What science is not, is trying to use deduction to override observation, especially when the intervening steps that that that deduction is based upon, are the scientific equivalent of “and them something happens” since psychological development is notoriously poorly understood.

Since it’s empirically real, then teaching that it’s not is unreasonable and falls into the category of indoctrination itself.

If you have a problem with the argument I just made, I’d love to know what, exactly, you disagree with. If it’s so obvious, it should be easy to articulate without resorting to messenger shooting.

“These people have no right to force this on society by making gender fluidity and sex instruction mandatory in schools. "
Society’s going that way anyway. Schools are merely acknowledging it. Schools are institutions that teach you about the real world, where fluidity exists, and will be even more common 20 years from now. It is not the jobs of schools to protect obsolete worldviews because progress upsets some people.
commented 2018-04-26 22:33:18 -0400
Liza, you’re right.

Andrew has already described herself as: cis-gender female; asexual; misanthropic; “mildly autistic” – meaning Aspergers Syndrome. I don’t see her having children, and yet, she wants the education system to indoctrinate other people’s children….that’s f***ed up!

Parents can & do have power to push back and reject this ideology. They need to adopt the policy of where we go one we go all!

There will be arrests. Ben Levin wasn’t alone in developing the curriculum in Ontario, he has counterparts all across the country who haven’t been exposed yet. It’s coming.
commented 2018-04-26 22:01:11 -0400
Tammie, in Andrew’s world they make up science as they go along to fit their narrative. If there can be no agreement on objective truth, and with Andrew there is not, then it is indeed pointless to discuss anything with such a person or other post modernists who make it up as they go along. I find it offensive that they expect to sell their codswallop as fact and truth and the new ‘way its gonna be folks!’ These people have no right to force this on society by making gender fluidity and sex instruction mandatory in schools.
What gives them the right to poison our children’s minds and why aren’t they in jail for messing with minors?
commented 2018-04-26 21:10:02 -0400
Andrew, pointing out the real aspects of Aspergers Syndrome. I know it’s difficult for you to accept, so, research it for yourself…those on the spectrum are easily manipulated. It’s not a personal attack, it’s just how it is. Add to that, you are asexual. If you have tried to understand yourself and, used any Kinsey research, you are in trouble!
commented 2018-04-26 20:35:18 -0400
“Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 4 hours ago
Forget to post why it’s a waste of time arguing with Andrew. People with Aspergers for the most part are easily manipulated, and, will steadfastly maintain their position following such manipulation.

Arguably, we’re less susceptible to this sort of manipulation than neurotypicals. This debate is largely based upon emotion and appeals to tradition, neither of which particularly influence the overly logical. Nor do rebuttals whose crux is based upon a dramatically oversimplified understanding of biology.

So, let’s summarize. Tradition for traditions’ sake is not a rationale in itself (face it, a lot of traditions are silly), and genetic determinism doesn’t reflect actual observations. Since we don’t know how it’s all linked, alluding to “science” doesn’t work either.

But, I think you know that, given that you insist that I’m wrong, but can’t really say where, attacking me, personally, instead.
commented 2018-04-26 19:43:59 -0400
Colin, seems to me this doesn’t concern them.
commented 2018-04-26 18:52:28 -0400
Tammie, don’t they see themselves as being a HUGE bit hypocritical?
commented 2018-04-26 18:36:39 -0400
Colin, for the most part, yes.
commented 2018-04-26 18:24:24 -0400
Do teachers still insist on being referred to as Miss, Mrs., or Mr.?
commented 2018-04-26 16:48:28 -0400
Forget to post why it’s a waste of time arguing with Andrew. People with Aspergers for the most part are easily manipulated, and, will steadfastly maintain their position following such manipulation.
commented 2018-04-26 15:59:51 -0400
I have already posted very important links to expose why this happening. I’m busy researching and would direct anyone to visit previous SOGI reports Sheila has uploaded to find my links. Use the Search tool on this site and it will be easy to find it.
Arguing with Andrew is a waste of time.

Parents, you have more power to change this than you realize. Fight, fight, fight.
commented 2018-04-26 14:38:45 -0400
There are boys & girls & that’s all there are. Teaching otherwise is an indication of an incompetence so of course it comes from government & is forced onto everyone. Male & female are not races. Gender is based on your chromosomes, not on your feelings. Bad teachers need to be kicked out of the education system.

Ontario’s sex education program was designed by a convicted pedophile. It sounds like SOGI 123 is basically the same thing. Parents need to be front & center in the fight against this crap.

I don’t put a lot of faith in polls but going by recent ones Doug Ford’s PCs would sweep the province & the Liberals have not only slipped to 3rd place but are in real danger of losing party status in Ontario. I tend to think that there’s something to these polls given the absolute panic the Ontario Liberals seem to be in lately.
commented 2018-04-26 12:39:50 -0400
Species fluidity? Like furries, but moreso? That’s always struck me as strange, but to each their own.

Gender, of course, has biologically plausible outcomes on both ends of the spectrum and thus, anywhere in the middle. Males are direct derivatives of females, and if that process is incomplete, you can end up somewhere in between. Declaring you’re an aardvark, is not biologically plausible.

The “slippery slope” arguments are usually an indication you can’t really address the debate at hand. I doubt your scenario will unfold, but if it does, we’ll handle it then since it has no bearing on the present situation. If someone wants to declare themselves an aardvark and decide they don’t want to pay taxes, they’re more than welcome to try it (note that nobody is claiming that gender fluid individuals shoudn’t pay taxes), although there is no reason to believe that identifying as an animal would get you out of paying taxes anyway.
commented 2018-04-26 12:02:55 -0400
What about species fluidity, Andrew? Are you cool with that? After all, once you divorce identity from the body in one area, why not all areas? If you can’t see that this is the road to societal meltdown, I suggest you spend some time thinking about what will happen when anyone can be considered as being anything they want at any time. You obviously haven’t done that. For example, does someone who considers him/herself an aardvark need to pay taxes? Do he/she have an obligation to observe or obey any human laws?
commented 2018-04-26 11:16:40 -0400
What parent says . “yeah, I’ll let the gov bring up my child and make life altering decisions for them”. Not a parent who stops and thinks. No parent can afford to be that asleep or busy. Time to wake up and take responsibility for your offspring. Mothers and Fathers, Grandparents take your power back. Your boys and girls will look to you for leadership, so lead.
If you don’t, the gov through the school system is more than happy to fill that vacuum.
Your children depend on parents to keep them safe. So do it.
commented 2018-04-26 10:46:38 -0400
“Peter Netterville commented 2 hours ago
Andrew said in part, " … heteronormative concept of sex and gender"

Hey, Mr/Ms “science is my god” dolt, that " heteronormative concept of sex and gender" is based in facts, supported by hard science and many millennia of delightful empirical data. The lies SOGI 123 is pushing is not based in facts, not supported by hard science, and not supported by even a five seconds of empirical data. "

Empirical fact: gender fluidity exists. Empirical fact: Children are not always raised by a biological mother or father. SOGI acknowledges both phenomena.

So many allusions to “science” are based on an oversimpliied idea of how genetics work. Yes, you (usually, but not always) have a binary sex determination scheme, but we have no idea what happens after. You can’t really reason it out from first principles since we don’t know what those principles are, only that the connection isn’t always ironclad. Gender determination is a bit of a black box, the output can’t always be predicted from the input. The discrepancy can be directly observed; we have no idea why it happens, only that it does. It’s deeply unscientific to pretend to understand something we don’t.

Millennia of experience of course alludes to tradition, which isn’t biologially ingrained, ad also depends on whose experience you refer to.

“Drew Wakariuk commented 9 hours ago
If there is gender fluidity then there is racial fluidity. You cannot deny DNA while acknowledging it. "

Serious question, since I see this point raised a lot. What do you mean by “racial fluidity”? Race isn’t really a meaningful term since most population genetics vary in ways that aren’t directly visible and seems mostly to refer to cultural traits. but would you consider one of the multigenerational Chinese descendents who is purebred southeast Asian, but who is fully culturally “white” in that category? Would it not be “racial fluidity” for a white person to eat Indian food, since you’re dabbling in the cultural behaviours of another race?

“Drew Wakariuk commented 9 hours ago
! What if the boy or girl wants to be called a boy or girl? " You should be called whatever you want to be called. That’s the point of C-16.
commented 2018-04-26 10:42:27 -0400
So that I can ignore Andrew, I will say off the bat that there are a few valid legitimate cases of ‘gender questionable’ people, but as stated a small portion of those are really just gay and MOST of them by far are just temporarily confused, as puberty can of course be a confusing time.

It should be a jail-able offense to mess with children, confuse and drug them in those very sensitive and malleable developing years. Leave the damn kids alone. We have to find a way to stop this.

This agenda is poisoning our society and is part of a multifaceted plan to break down society in order to rebuild with complete government control. Laugh at your own peril. We are under attack, and breaking apart norms is just one of the many tactics. The ‘teachers’ of this lie, are promoting and propagating mental illness.

Don’t allow the public school system to rear your children. It is your God given right to decide for your offspring. Protect them.
commented 2018-04-26 09:00:14 -0400
BLESS YOU SHEILA !!
Great show !!
commented 2018-04-26 08:56:53 -0400
Andrew said in part, " … heteronormative concept of sex and gender"

Hey, Mr/Ms “science is my god” dolt, that " heteronormative concept of sex and gender" is based in facts, supported by hard science and many millennia of delightful empirical data. The lies SOGI 123 is pushing is not based in facts, not supported by hard science, and not supported by even a five seconds of empirical data.

When will you leftie socialist dimwits stop ignoring the science you worship just to support your sick perversions?
commented 2018-04-26 08:43:04 -0400
All knowing Andrew….it is also my right to tell you and your self proclaimed educated mind, to take a flying fuck in a whirling donut. One need only take a look around this world and to see all it’s problems, and the coralation between you and other like minded fools becomes abundantly clear. You and your ilk are clearly not mentally stable, although in your own minds, you’re the intellects. Sickos!
commented 2018-04-26 03:23:02 -0400
Andrew fuck off.!!
commented 2018-04-26 01:57:35 -0400
If there is gender fluidity then there is racial fluidity. You cannot deny DNA while acknowledging it.