November 28, 2018

BC NDP join fight to save Trudeau’s carbon tax (and accidentally make the case against it)

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Host | The Gunn Show

British Columbia’s NDP government is intervening on behalf of Justin Trudeau and Environment Minister Catherine McKenna in separate court cases - one in Saskatchewan and another in Ontario - where those respective provinces are challenging the federal government’s authority to impose a carbon tax.


BC attorney general David Eby told Global News:

“The significance of British Columbia’s appearing in support of many aspects of the federal government’s argument is we may be the only province standing in support of what the federal government is doing and we think the court should hear a provincial perspective in support of the federal government,”

Eby probably should have stopped talking right then, but he didn’t. Here is what Eby said next.

“If B.C. is the only province with a price on carbon or one of the only provinces, then British Columbians are working on a playing field that is not even”

Eby’s saying places with a carbon tax are at a competitive disadvantage to those without one! That’s what every critic of the carbon tax has been saying and is why Canada can’t have a carbon tax, especially since our U.S. neighbours don’t have one.

I’m in complete agreement with Eby but instead of forcing the rest of the country to have an ineffective tax on carbon dioxide, why doesn't BC just get rid of theirs and level the playing field for themselves instead of dragging everybody else down to the bottom?

I’m not joking when I call the BC carbon tax ineffective. Between 2014 to 2015, carbon emissions increased by 1.6 per cent.

It’s been so ineffective that anti-carbon tax crusaders in Washington State routinely point to BC as an example of why they don't need a carbon tax, and why a carbon tax wouldn't work to achieve its stated goals. For the third time, voters have rejected a carbon tax.

BC's carbon tax scheme is so bad the hyper-lefties in Washington state - the home of Seattle and Starbucks - don't want it and yet the BC NDP have the audacity to think that the rest of Canada deserves it.

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commented 2018-11-30 12:08:38 -0500
Dear Barbie there would be no seasons without the sun . As for ice ages most were caused by volcanic activity on earth . The core samples taken around the earth have proven it time and time again but the big one was caused by a meteor hit , that blocked out the sun . Again no sun we would be a block of ice . Your carbon tax will only pick our pockets , but you already know that don’t you . This has been one of the coldest Novembers in a while , but some how you will spin it to global warming . I wish you were as concerned about all the sewage being dumped into our water ways .
commented 2018-11-30 00:55:08 -0500
Dear Ms. Stephenson… Telling the big lie often enough doesn’t make that reality… There has been a notable “quieting” of the sun’s flares and emissions starting already in the previous 11.2 year solar cycle… (By the way, any radio amateur anywhere in the world can tell you that…) Solar flux HAS changed dramatically!… The sun has now gone quiet during the current cycle, and as was reported by NASA just a few weeks ago, there have been hardly any flares all of this year… The St. Petersburg Solar Observatory already predicted a COOLING cycle already one year ago in February, and NASA did also just weeks ago…. By the way, got friends in the Midwest, Ontario or The Maritimes?… How about New York or Washington? Ask them how they are enjoying the onset of “early winter” already so far….
commented 2018-11-29 22:24:36 -0500
Andrew you are hilarious. CO2 levels have varied over time, many times they have far exceeded what we have now, without humans, and the earth flourished. You stated China emissions have decreased, that is too funny, they are bringing on coal fired plants at an alarming rate, and those of your ilk say shutting down Canadian coal fired plants is good. Tell me again Canada’s contribution, on a global scale, as I recall just over 1 %, that’s one percent. We are not a contributor in any sense on a global scale, yet your ilk want us to shut down, to no avail. It was clearly stated when the stupidly dumb Paris Accord was signed that Canada could shut down absolutely everything, every vehicle, every furnace, every cow, and it would make absolutely no difference in achieving the unachievable goals in the accord. No one is even going to come close. It is all a scam, and you promoting it is very telling, especially towards debunking your stated claim you possessed/earned a PhD.
commented 2018-11-29 21:39:50 -0500
“Andrew do you really think that Canada is going to make a rats ass difference to climate change when large countries like China have no obligations till 2030 . Further more to give the virtue signaling Liberals anymore money to shovel out of the country is crazy . And if you don’t think that the sun doesn’t controls all climate then you are a fool . "

Wrong is wrong. There is no relativism here. China is bad is not an excuse to also be bad. (Chinese emissions have decreased in the last few years. Ours have not).

The sun does have some influence, but… that being said, it’s far from the only contributor. The ice age ended because the earth’s orbit gradually changes over time, and eventually those changes lead to enough ice melting that a runaway between increased melting and bare ground (which absorbs sunlight vs ice which reflects). Neither of those effects are because of the sun. Atmospheric GHGs, particularly water vapour, carbon dioxide, and methane, also absorb heat in a concentration dependent manner. That latter effect is the only plausible one responsible for the recent trends.

“Common Sense commented 8 hours ago
Andrew the fake PhD, your logic precedes you with your “other way” insistence. So, with that eloquent statement, I am reasonable to go the other way and say where is your proof of your PhD because you saying you have it is not true. I say you don’t have it. Prove it. So, you seem to think everyone opposed to the global warming scam has to prove it is wrong. Simple really. That ball of fire 93 million miles away has controlled our environment for billions of years, the proof, how about climate change for ever, past, present, future, without man. "

My education is between me and my employers. I’ve told you before, you can think whatever you want. Attacking that merely indicates that you can’t refute anything directly.

We know it’s not the sun driving it. Solar flux hasn’t changed by nearly enough to explain the increased radiative forcing. This is easily proven by observing ground level vs. those above the atmosphere, the effects are arising almost entirely in the atmosphere. See above.

Prove it’s safe to dump a trillion tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. You can’t, it’s impossible. The whole thing is a huge question mark, though the general trend seems to indicate it’s more rather than less a problem. When dealing with the unknown you move to risk assessment, which says even unlikely events with catastrophic consequences should be avoided whenever possible.

Of course, I’m sure this will all go over your head. You may go back to the lazy ad-hominems if you agree.
commented 2018-11-29 14:01:16 -0500
Common Sense – you’re exactly right! But they have to destroy capitalism first, and steal all of our wealth and resources, and remove our Christian heritage. Their human army is going to try and wipe out Christianity!
commented 2018-11-29 13:55:42 -0500
Deborah, I would take that a step further and say it’s not about leveling the field, but about the UN leveling the west, and after that destruction, take control of it and populate it their way.
commented 2018-11-29 13:52:32 -0500
It’s all about leveling the playing field between wealthy democratic counties and 3rd world hell holes, under the leadership of the Islamic UN.
commented 2018-11-29 13:16:09 -0500
If the fools in BC want to pay a carbon tax let them . They should be paying a tax for all the raw sewage going into the ocean .
Andrew do you really think that Canada is going to make a rats ass difference to climate change when large countries like China have no obligations till 2030 . Further more to give the virtue signaling Liberals anymore money to shovel out of the country is crazy . And if you don’t think that the sun doesn’t controls all climate then you are a fool . Why are scientist that don’t support climate change crap excluded from government money like the ones pushing Barbie’s climate change agenda ? Yep no answer right . You can’t prove man is causing shit . But if there was no money to be got this whole thing would be gone .
commented 2018-11-29 13:12:13 -0500
Andrew the fake PhD, your logic precedes you with your “other way” insistence. So, with that eloquent statement, I am reasonable to go the other way and say where is your proof of your PhD because you saying you have it is not true. I say you don’t have it. Prove it. So, you seem to think everyone opposed to the global warming scam has to prove it is wrong. Simple really. That ball of fire 93 million miles away has controlled our environment for billions of years, the proof, how about climate change for ever, past, present, future, without man. And that ball of fire does not accept credit cards, cash or government cheques to change it’s ways. Now Mr. fake PhD, prove that wrong.
commented 2018-11-29 12:07:00 -0500
“Keith Barnes commented 14 hours ago
Any Government anywhere, who initiates a carbon tax should first have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that global warming is caused by man. "

Would it be reasonable to go the other way, and insist that anybody that opposes it needs to prove it isn’t? Often, for things like insurance and medical interventions, the burden of proof is on proving something isn’t a danger, rather than proving it is.

“Common Sense commented 14 hours ago
Where oh where is Nicky aka Andrew the fake PhD Stephenson to show his insanity by backing up Horgan and Eby? He will, and present, as usual, absolutely zero proof of his claims in their support… just a matter of time. "

I’m not sure what you want me to defend. All three major political parties in BC support the carbon tax and it doesn’t seem to have "destroyed’ the province’s economy as the opponents constantly (and usually, loudly) proclaim.

What do you think of Doug Ford’s proposal to charge heavy emitters for the privilege of emitting? There’s a proposal that has some very interesting semantics underlying it.

“liza Rosie commented 14 hours ago
Common sense, they both live in Toronto and don’t give a rats ass about anything or anyone in the west. (Not all easterners) "

Born in Sask. Raised in BC. Did my undergrad at U of A. “easterner” indeed. I’s not really my fault that the only really economically diversified city in the West is also impossibly expensive to live in.
commented 2018-11-29 09:42:52 -0500
off topic Where do you think nutley will have the rail cars built for oil? Bet not in Alberta.
commented 2018-11-29 08:39:29 -0500
If you hate your country & province vote Liberal & NDP .

BC is so screwed they don’t even have conservatives to chose from .
commented 2018-11-29 01:43:13 -0500
Which also should be a “heads up” for what could happen given the “first past the post vs.proportional representation” vote now going on… Given the European experience, small “one issue” parties can tie up a government in knots trying to form a “stable” government coalition… Something B.C. sure as hell does not need at this time to really prosper…. Holding all of B.C. “ransom” by just three Greenie votes is Europe in spades…
commented 2018-11-29 00:54:38 -0500
Agreed Keith Barnes!… But B.C. is such a screwed up province that “rational argument” seldom prevails… With just three Green seats on Vancouver Island, holding the NDP government up to ransom, the interior of the province is routinely told to “piss off”… And yet, even the feckless NDPrs cannot explain why they are allowing the Peace River “Site C” hydro dam to proceed! Maybe just because it makes good sense to do so?… And they just approved the LNG terminal project in Kitimat? Whooee… So which is it? Cheap natural resources under our feet, or more wind farms and solar cells… Fortis BC has just issued bought display ads in local newspapers across B.C., warning that natural gas heating this coming winter may be “limited” by the recent explosion in their main feeder line in Northern B.C…. So, we are apparently dependant on natural gas heating across this province?!!… Yet fully tapping and using those hundreds of years of reserves is “limited”?? Watching the current government in Victoria trying to explain that dichotomy is like watching grown idiots blowing brain farts out of both their ears simultaneously!…
commented 2018-11-28 21:48:11 -0500
Common sense, they both live in Toronto and don’t give a rats ass about anything or anyone in the west. (Not all easterners)
commented 2018-11-28 21:45:37 -0500
Where oh where is Nicky aka Andrew the fake PhD Stephenson to show his insanity by backing up Horgan and Eby? He will, and present, as usual, absolutely zero proof of his claims in their support… just a matter of time.
commented 2018-11-28 21:36:43 -0500
Carbon tax is just a scam to cover the cost of Islamic carnage.
commented 2018-11-28 21:33:12 -0500
Any Government anywhere, who initiates a carbon tax should first have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that global warming is caused by man.
commented 2018-11-28 21:23:33 -0500
Well if the stupidity continues and unfortunately it will,we the common sense people need to cleanse our country!!!
commented 2018-11-28 21:19:22 -0500
It makes perfect sense to commies like Horgan and Eby. You don’t cut out whats wrong, you spread it across the board so you can have that level playing field. These people are demented. DEMENTED! Bring everyone down to their gutter level instead of smartening the hell up.
commented 2018-11-28 20:40:24 -0500
Sounds like BC is lost in the head,or are they trying to be a socialist state now to appeal to comrade Trudummy
commented 2018-11-28 19:46:52 -0500
I have never had a chance to talk to a pro carbon tax morons in person. Just complete idiots on social media.
commented 2018-11-28 19:33:40 -0500
Carbon taxes are making Alberta a place that’s too expensive to live and driving businesses out of business.
commented 2018-11-28 19:26:32 -0500
Oh, the irony.