March 02, 2018

BC sneaks "gender fluid ideology" into sex-ed curriculum

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Host | The Gunn Show

On Wednesday's episode of The Gunn ShowLaura-Lynn Tyler Thompson of the 700 Club and Laura-Lynn and Friends, joined me to discuss British Columbia's new sex-ed curriculum SOGI 123.

Teachers and school trustees weren't even made aware of plans to implement the new curriculum, which introduces kindergarten students to "gender fluidity" indoctrination

WATCH my interview with Laura-Lynn to see how the province is forcing their radical gender dogma into schools despite the unanimous opposition of parents from multiple faiths and backgrounds.

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commented 2018-03-05 11:28:11 -0500
Liza, the link below is a documentary about tracing how various Foundations and radical ideology in Kinsey’s manipulated research has had a very disturbing impact on the legal and education system. Disgraceful and very upsetting! Kinsey’s pedophile data has directly influenced penal codes and teaching sexual education in schools. Sexual abuse and torture of children, Kinsey and his team trained sexual predators. Depraved and indifferent to the suffering & sexual abuse…there is a mountain of evidence to discredit and close the Kinsey Institute. I would also add, criminal charges should be laid on anyone who is still living and participated in the horrific practices of the Kinsey Institute. Based on the history of Kinsey and his warped research, the Institute should be closed without delay. IMO, laws need to be repealed that were based on Kinsey’s recommendations and lobbying; sex ed curriculum revamped to exclude radical ideology. Several generations have been indoctrinated in schools based on Kinsey’s deviant & criminal ideology. Kinsey also communicated and encouraged a Nazi pedophile in Germany. Kinsey also was very interested in Alistair Crowley, satanist and pedophile in England.

This video is lengthy – 2:44:10
The Kinsey Syndrome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9ztmp1yDq8
commented 2018-03-04 18:49:55 -0500
Liza, it is a very widespread & coordinated push of toxic ideology.
I don’t support funding gender studies or queer studies courses for the same reason you pointed out.
commented 2018-03-04 18:26:55 -0500
That vid was hard to watch Tammie.
That’s some wide spread toxic agenda and it is being as pushed all over the world.
So thankful for Tanya Granic Allen forcing the issue. I am really hopeful that if it can be stopped in Ontario, it will set the precedent needed to get it out of other provinces. That kind of interference should be banned from all Canadian curriculum’s. Some serious thought also needs to go into whether or not these university gender studies courses should be funded at all. It is nothing but political agenda.
commented 2018-03-04 18:00:45 -0500
Interestingly enough, Patrick Brown had no intention of repealing the Ontario Sex curriculum and replacing it with something parents could get behind. With Tanya Granic Allen entering the race, the other candidates have included this on their platform; with the exception of Caroline Mulroney….whose children are not educated in the public system! She ran away from a media scrum when she was asked about this fact….she is probably rethinking the position and will flip flop this coming week.

No one here is talking about Alex Jones Andrew….why did you bring him up?
commented 2018-03-04 17:45:58 -0500
Andrew says there are no absolutes? If you don’t believe in objective reality, then whats the point? We will never agree, that’s fine. However if we can agree at least that gender confused children exist and may need some guidance and support through a difficult time, why can’t we agree that it does not have to be provided through school directed curriculum? Why can’t it be voluntary instead of mandatory and be for young adults not elementary age children? Any program should be devised by medical experts and not gender and humanities studies profs, be off campus and not influenced by those politicized groups.

Tammie you point out the hard cold data is out there. The vid you linked to below looks spot on, I will watch.
The first 35 seconds alone says it all. There is a difference between basic sex ed and graphic sexual instruction.
CSC (Comprehensive Sexuality Education)is designed to change the sexual and gender norms of society, promotes high risk sexual behaviours and encourages even the youngest of children to experiment sexually.”
At the very least most parents think that robs children of their innocence and negatively affects future emotional and physical intimacy. At worst it may push them into chemical and surgical interference with their bodies which they may very well live to regret. A very large percentage of gender confused out grow their dismorphia.
Autonomous sexual development is important. Political activists should not be involved.
commented 2018-03-04 16:53:56 -0500
There is world wide backlash. The UN, International Planned Parenthood, Kinsey Institute and SIECUS are using Comprehensive Sexuality Education to introduce early sexualization of children , supported by radical LGBTQ militants and Marxists.

The War on Children The Comprehensive Sexuality Education Agenda SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIv-KOQ5F4A
commented 2018-03-04 16:15:47 -0500
“liza rosie commented 2018-03-04 15:04:11 -0500
If someone asks about insertables? Give me a fking break. The scary thing is that Andrew is serious. No compass, none. "
Masturbation is healthy, and toys (or a reasonable proxy) can be part of that as long as safety and hygiene are kept in mind – that’s the point of including it in the curriculum. This is not a “moral compass” issue.

Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 2018-03-04 14:50:48 -0500
“Gender fluid ideology being mandatory in the classroom is getting the backlash it deserves.”

The backlash seems overstated – a few very loud activists rather than mass groundswell of pushback. This is true of most moral panics. If it was so widespread, then that Granic-Allen lady would be doing a whole lot better than 10%. It’s something that is out there whether or not you choose to acknowledge it.

“Liza Rosie Tammie has suggested aspergers. That doesn’t give you the right to push gender fluidity or any other ‘rewrite’ onto the general public as a whole.”

Nor does it discredit my opinion. The beauty of not getting plays to emotion, is that it lets you cut through the crap. It’s immediately apparent to me when someone is just making it up as they go, and trying to hide it by playing to emotion. Trump is excellent at this.
“Andrew you confuse ‘emotion’ with moral compass and respect for the autonomy of every child’s sexual development. It seems illogical to disregard that. "

Call it whatever you want, the concept of a “moral compass” is still an emotional projection in that it cant’ be defined by objective parameters. Objectively the best outcomes seem to be support rather than denial, and the medical associations (the actual ones, not misleadingly titled think tanks) support such – I liked the AAP below.

How do you define a group of very divergent opinion that represents a very small subset of the whole, if not “fringe”?

“How in God’s name can these Post-truth, postmodernists demand that man must take full responsibility for variations in global climate changes, for example, accepting that premise as an absolute,”

It’s not absolute. The balance of evidence suggests very strongly that we’re having a substantial influence, though, and very little to suggest we’re entirely innocent – strong enough to say that, objectively, yes, it’s probably something we should address. Science tries its best to be absolute, but in practice it’s impossible, there will always be some uncertainty somewhere. Yes, certain religious texts teach absolutism, but that’s religion, not science. Some idiot at a podium, in this case apparently the left wing equivalent of Alex Jones, doesn’t change the underlying data ,and only serves to highlight why you should always seek the objective truth right from the source, rather than secondhand opinions justified by allusions to legitimate sources, whether or not those allusions actually reflect the contents of said sources.

There are a lot of question marks out there in the real world, and nothing is truly absolute, but we can get a pretty good idea by looking at the evidence. Again, some idiot at a podium, or on Youtube, playing to emotion – which is not unique to left or right – probably doesn’t possess that.
commented 2018-03-04 15:33:17 -0500
Calling us neurotypical means you are not. Okay, so you have some challenges, Tammie has suggested aspergers. That doesn’t give you the right to push gender fluidity or any other ‘rewrite’ onto the general public as a whole.
‘AS A WHOLE’ are the operative words here. Take it out of the classroom and away from teachers unions. Make it fully voluntary and accessible for those who need and want it. Leave elementary kids alone..that is all I ask.
commented 2018-03-04 15:24:37 -0500
The very definition of this post truth fringe element is feelings over logic. Their main tool is projection. Speaking of which,
Andrew said,"By the way, I find it irritating how so many neurotyps let their emotion overrule logic, fact, and reason. "
Andrew you confuse ‘emotion’ with moral compass and respect for the autonomy of every child’s sexual development. It seems illogical to disregard that.
commented 2018-03-04 15:11:58 -0500
Andrew even redefined ‘fringe elements’ in his response to Tammie. They just can’t leave any definition alone.
commented 2018-03-04 15:09:16 -0500
‘Diversity’ becomes ignoring absolutes/truth.
‘Inclusion’ becomes more like exclusion of any other ideas.
‘Inequality’ or societal inbalance is ‘always’ caused by injustice.

…don’t know why it got mashed together in my post below.
commented 2018-03-04 15:06:00 -0500
Besides this about more than just sexualizing children, it is about societal control.

By the end of the 60’s Marxists rebranded as post modernists or what they are calling in Dirks link, cultural constructionists. No longer getting away with pitting the working class against the elites they pivoted, and now its the oppressed against whoever they decide is the oppressor. A much broader base to bash, because it can be anything they choose to attack/blame/ostracise.

Dirk, in that link you posted, the woman on the left of the screen was explaining definitions; ‘social construction-ism’, cultural construction-ism, or ‘blank slate -ism. (a lot of isms) . Basically the sjw’s expect us to accept everything as a social construct , including biological absolutes. Under this ideology they mean to re brand, re write or redefine literally anything they like, to suit what ever fits for them and declare it the ‘new’ norm.

How in God’s name can these Post-truth, postmodernists demand that man must take full responsibility for variations in global climate changes, for example, accepting that premise as an absolute, when they have told us that there ARE no absolutes? But then they present their re defined truths as absolutes! ‘Diversity’ becomes ignoring absolutes/truth ‘Inclusion’ becomes more like exclusion of any other ideas

‘Inequality’ or societal inbalance is ‘always’ caused by injustice

“Fringe elements in society do not have a right to hold you hostage to discourse.”
Comment from one of the speakers in Dirks link after the sjw protesters were ushered out. They were calling the ideas put forth by the evolutionary biologist on the panel, as fascist, and she shouldn’t be allowed to speak and Nazis were not welcome etc.

Fringe elements in society do not have a right to hold you hostage, period.
commented 2018-03-04 15:04:11 -0500
If someone asks about insertables? Give me a fking break. The scary thing is that Andrew is serious. No compass, none.
commented 2018-03-04 14:50:48 -0500
Sorry Andrew, your posts are not taken seriously; except in a few rare circumstances, or when James gives you a thumbs up under his various pseudonyms.

Gender fluid ideology being mandatory in the classroom is getting the backlash it deserves.

I have watched you debate unsuccessfully with an electrical engineer on one of your other monomania topics. It was sad to watch you dig in on something so far out of your comprehension.
commented 2018-03-04 13:55:23 -0500
“liza rosie commented 2018-03-03 22:07:42 -0500
Information to reduce pregnancies is one thing Andrew,‘how to’s’ with vegetables is quite another. |”
The “vegetable” comment isn’t proactive, it’s reactive – as in, it’s not taught unprompted but if someone asks about insertables, the teachers are to respond appropriately, and honestly – which is to say, to address the practical considerations of the inevitable experimentation. Don’t put it back in the fridge.

Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 2018-03-03 19:23:02 -0500
“Gender Ideology Harms Children
Updated September 2017

The American College of Pediatricians"

I suggest you look into who the ACP is. They are a socially conservative lobby group posing as a trade association.. The actual academic pediatrics organisation representing allopathic pediatritians is the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), which has 64,000 members and was founded in 1930. The ACP is somewhat of a fringe group, with estimated 500 members, and founded in 2002.

While digging into them, I found this, which is quite interesting. http://www.citypages.com/news/university-of-minnesota-professors-research-hijacked-6725473

So, the ACP, also, seems to be one of those groups that misrepresents information with the intent of furthering a political agenda, which they openly acknowledge is a socially conservative one. How many times is that this week I’ve caught you citing fringe groups that misrepresent their underlying evidence?

The much larger, mainstream AAP says this: https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/Pages/AAP-Statement-in-Support-of-Transgender-Children-Adolescent-and-Young-Adults.aspx .
That support and acknowledgement, of letting what they call gender-expansive children, explore and find their own way, and supporting them in the process in every way possible. This is the actual, official medical opinion, and the linked report is co-published with their Osteopathic sister organization.

’Because adults with Aspergers tend to be cut off from their feelings, they acquire facts and information without understanding how those facts can be applied to real-world situations. "

My opinion is hardly a fringe one, however. This is merely well—poisoning.
By the way, I find it irritating how so many neurotyps let their emotion overrule logic, fact, and reason. You end up so desperately wanting something to be true, that you seek increasingly marginal paths to find confirmation. The triumph of emotion over logic is not something to be proud of. The logical path is the one that is more likely to be objectively true, since it forces you to accept even things you may find uncomfortable.
commented 2018-03-04 11:36:57 -0500
Al, the big lies are repeated over and over….I reject and object to it.
commented 2018-03-04 02:45:25 -0500
Tammie, good on you for going to the credible sources and authorities. The sooner you do so the sooner Andrew drifts away and shuts up. I will not be forced to accept perversions of any stripe and I will certainly not tell my children to accept them as normal.
commented 2018-03-04 00:00:36 -0500
Liza, I agree. We don’t need/want SOGI , Alberta or Ontario’s early education/indoctrination programming. I’m sure other provinces and territories must be facing similar challenges. Parents need to present themselves as a unified front.

I can’t stress this enough, parents can disrupt the education system and the budget.
commented 2018-03-03 23:40:29 -0500
Indeed she is Tammi.

Your comment,
"Because adults with Aspergers tend to be cut off from their feelings, they acquire facts and information without understanding how those facts can be applied to real-world situations. "
…..describes many on the left I know.

Thanks Tammie, I think a separate clinic or centre funded under our medical system, away from the claws of those who promote the gender fluidity ideology, which is funded in part by teachers unions, makes a lot of sense. It protects the primary grades from the mandated sexualization, while allowing young adolescents of high school age to use their own free will to seek assistance if they themselves decide they need it. No forced ideological feeding required or desired.

I’ll say again we don’t need SOGI to teach our children compassion for those who are different.
I’d like the left to stop treating us like homophobes and haters. I’m sick of it, but if they continue, they have to know that it makes them look stupid, because clearly we are none of the names they call us.

I will give Andrew some credit. She rarely uses those ad homs . She is however in need of some serious history lessons.
commented 2018-03-03 22:54:21 -0500
Liza, to add to my last post. Andrew is also a supporter of Marxist ideology…defends it beyond comprehension.
She is a multi-faceted troll on this site.
commented 2018-03-03 22:31:57 -0500
Liza, Andrew will continue to post the same arguments and links as this is a monomania topic for her. She is unaware of how often she intellectualizes without considering the real world ramifications of what she has collected as information.
I like this explanation of intellectualization as it relates to Asperger’s Syndrome.
Asperger’s Syndrome has been described as a zero empathy disorder.
Here is a key feature to remember, Dr. Kenneth Roberson PhD
Intellectualization:
Because adults with Aspergers tend to be cut off from their feelings, they acquire facts and information without understanding how those facts can be applied to real-world situations.

They are detail oriented, often missing the overall picture, and they apply the same level of detail to every situation whether appropriate or not.

Individuals with Aspergers often have an intense interest in one or two narrow topics, bordering on obsession.

It is a complex disorder with criteria which overlap with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Samantha Rodman PhD sums it up well and wrote, "The difference is that while all people with Aspergers are narcissistic (not NPD, but self-centered; it’s a central trait), all people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder are definitely not aspergers, and can be the total opposite: super smooth and charming.”
commented 2018-03-03 22:24:40 -0500
Liza, excellent post with a very pragmatic solution when you commented, "Be what ever you want, but children in primary grades are off limits. They don’t need choices, they don’t need instruction or information they simply are not capable of digesting. Instead of it being in schools or anything to do with the Education system (consequently out of the reach of left wingnut unions), why not have special clinics to address any need a confused adolescent might have. Of their own volition if they deem they need support they can go there. It is not forced on every unsuspecting kid in the class. "
commented 2018-03-03 22:07:42 -0500
Information to reduce pregnancies is one thing Andrew,‘how to’s’ with vegetables is quite another.

Be what ever you want, but children in primary grades are off limits. They don’t need choices, they don’t need instruction or information they simply are not capable of digesting. Instead of it being in schools or anything to do with the Education system (consequently out of the reach of left wingnut unions), why not have special clinics to address any need a confused adolescent might have. Of their own volition if they deem they need support they can go there. It is not forced on every unsuspecting kid in the class.

That ‘mandatory’ aspect is what makes it INDOCTRINATION.
Keep it out of the schools. Compassion can be taught without SOGI.
commented 2018-03-03 21:33:11 -0500
Finally Andrew, you are an ideologue with an intellectualization problem who has no skin in the game. Using a sports analogy to wake you up!

Remember, I have an excellent understanding of Asperger’s Syndrome.
commented 2018-03-03 19:28:31 -0500
8. Conditioning children into believing a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse. Endorsing gender discordance as normal via public education and legal policies will confuse children and parents, leading more children to present to “gender clinics” where they will be given puberty-blocking drugs. This, in turn, virtually ensures they will “choose” a lifetime of carcinogenic and otherwise toxic cross-sex hormones, and likely consider unnecessary surgical mutilation of their healthy body parts as young adults.

Michelle A. Cretella, M.D.
President of the American College of Pediatricians

Quentin Van Meter, M.D.
Vice President of the American College of Pediatricians
Pediatric Endocrinologist

Paul McHugh, M.D.
University Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins Medical School and the former psychiatrist in chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital

Originally published March 2016
Updated September 2017
commented 2018-03-03 19:23:02 -0500
“Gender Ideology Harms Children
Updated September 2017

The American College of Pediatricians urges healthcare professionals, educators and legislators to reject all policies that condition children to accept as normal a life of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex. Facts – not ideology – determine reality.

1. Human sexuality is an objective biological binary trait: “XY” and “XX” are genetic markers of male and female, respectively – not genetic markers of a disorder. The norm for human design is to be conceived either male or female. Human sexuality is binary by design with the obvious purpose being the reproduction and flourishing of our species. This principle is self-evident. The exceedingly rare disorders of sex development (DSDs), including but not limited to testicular feminization and congenital adrenal hyperplasia, are all medically identifiable deviations from the sexual binary norm, and are rightly recognized as disorders of human design. Individuals with DSDs (also referred to as “intersex”) do not constitute a third sex."

There are seven other points, read them for your self.

https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children

Again, this is one of your monomania topics, hence, my reference to your needle is stuck.

Five years ago we didn’t have 8 year old drag kids being carted off to bars to perform for adults; or performing in Gay Pride Parades; no gender dysphoric men in costume reading to children in libraries; legislation imposing speech; gender fluid ideology being taught in schools; media/advertising transmania and famous people presenting their “gender fluid” children…… thank the militants in the LGBTQ2etc… for this. Don’t forget Bruce’s transformation into Caitlyn and being nominated as one of Glamour’s Woman of the Year -2015. Covergirl featuring a young man in make up…..

Bombarded, how can anyone miss this agenda!!!!
commented 2018-03-03 18:40:56 -0500
“liza rosie commented 2018-03-03 18:09:08 -0500
If it wasn’t being pushed as the new fad, there would be much, much fewer cases of confused children running around demanding people refer to them by their preferred pronoun of ZIR.
Get a life, stop screwing with children’s heads. "

Is that actually the case? Is the apparent increase in ‘confused children’ perhaps due to increased awareness – that you’re just more aware of it than five years ago, perhaps driven by outlets like the Rebel which bring it up constantly, that didn’t do so then? It’s not the first time that sort of thing has happened.
commented 2018-03-03 18:35:31 -0500
“Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 2018-03-03 16:27:21 -0500
Identity politics Andrew….that’s my point. Also, Marxism undermines the family, extended family and community; fostering group think and looking to the state to take care of you.”
Family and community isn’t being undermined by gender diversity. Welcoming children regardless of identity actually enhances it, by welcoming those who may otherwise be deeply uncomfortable with themselves.

“You don’t have a clue re: child rearing and developmental psychology, and, fail to recognize the APA position which confirms gender fluid ideology is harmful for children. Additionally, you seem to overlook this ideology creates anxious and confused children, who later become angry children….”
The APA doesnt’ actually say that. Guidelines are here: ( pdf: http://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf ) Their position is an acknowledgement of there being two distinct schools of thought, one of which says to assist in transition, the other in counselling to conform to birth sex. They do not endorse one or the other, for early presenters.

It’s quite a lengthy document, but perhaps best summed up by their guideline 11: ‘Psychologists recognize that TGNC people are more likely to experience positive life outcomes when they receivesocial support or trans-affirmative care.’ . Which is to say, it acknownedges that they exist, that they are often troubled for various reasons, and that best outcomes are provided by not stigmatizing them, but rather supporting them at every step along the way.

Again, I fear your evidence doesn’t really support your claims.

Liza Rosie:
“It just means they should not expect to dictate sexual norms in schools to children. Anything other than heterosexuality is not a sexual norm and has entirely too much attention paid to it.”
Biology’s an end-skewed continuum. It’s definitely not black and white – although the genotype is the foundation, the house that gets built upon it depends heavily on environment. Some pretty interesting evidence suggests that the mother’s hormonal balance can influence development patterns in utero; low maternal testosterone is surprisingly strongly correlated to homosexual preference, and other physical traits such as digit ratios suggest that that may be physically hard-coded. It’s very possible gender identity itself is the same – which is to say, perhaps the initial masculinization signal that generates the external genitalia isn’t maintained, and without that you later return to the default, female state when the brain begins to wire itself.

Nobody’s dictating sexual norms, nor should we be beholden to them for the sake of tradition. It’s entirely agnostic towards sexual preference – as in, if this is what you choose to do, this is how you do it safely. Acknowledging sexual minorities, as eve you do, is part of that, stigmatization and denial really achieves nothing. If the kid’s gay, he’s gay.

“Having said that, no instruction on how to be heterosexual is needed in schools.
Not the place of government , period. "
Except that there is. Sex ed is very strongly associated with positive outcomes, regarding reduction of unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections. Societally, we all benefit from this, the same way we benefit from other basic aspects of education.
commented 2018-03-03 18:09:08 -0500
If it wasn’t being pushed as the new fad, there would be much, much fewer cases of confused children running around demanding people refer to them by their preferred pronoun of ZIR.
Get a life, stop screwing with children’s heads.