April 29, 2018

BC teacher decides gender is "racist"

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Host | The Gunn Show

On last week's episode of The Gunn Show, Christian broadcaster and author Laura-Lynn Tyler Thompson joined me to discuss the implementation of the radical sex-ed curriculum known as SOGI 123.

I showed video footage of teacher in British Columbia at a teacher's conference who explained that using gendered language with children is akin to "racism".

This is part of the left's overall goal to indoctrinate children with their radical gender-fluid ideology, despite the protests of parents being left in the dark.

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commented 2018-05-17 02:40:36 -0400
Thank goodness my children are now well-adjusted adults …. I’d go nuclear on a teacher who tried this nonsense with them.
commented 2018-05-02 16:52:32 -0400
“They are simply tragic abnormalities. "

Why should it be “tragic”, though? Why is it not acceptable to embrace your “abnormalities”?

“We don’t claim that people with Down’s Syndrome are a a separate species of animal. People with abnormalities in their physiology are not a separate gender. They are an abnormality. "

No, but we don’t try to force those with Downs to fit into presupposed categories either. We’ve gladly created a societal niche that recognizes their differences. The same is happening with gender. They’re not normal, so why force them to pretend they are?

“Wrong. You are the one who seems to find a need to force people into categories. In fact you have to invent new categories contrary to evidence in order to make them fit. "
You’re claiming categorization of "male’ , "female’. That’s very much forcing into categories. My argument is that it’s a spectrum and that the categories are artificial, and up to the individuals to decide if they belong to or not.

Your religious beliefs are your own business, and if you believe in another subsequent world free from pain, etc, go ahead. (I’m an adherent to the worm food theory. One chance and that’s it. I’m however a molecular biologist and tend to view biology as a mechanical/chemical mechanism, and human consciousness as merely a very complex derivative of that). It bears no relevance to life in THIS world.
commented 2018-05-02 00:20:31 -0400
Andrew, you continue to read in things and motives that I have never expressed. You seem to want to find hatred and vilification that does not exist. There are only 2 genders. What we have established is that abnormalities (which I have said may sound crude but is isn’t intended to be) do not establish another gender. They are simply tragic abnormalities.

We don’t claim that people with Down’s Syndrome are a a separate species of animal. People with abnormalities in their physiology are not a separate gender. They are an abnormality. This says nothing about their worth as humans or their ability to love or be loved or to accomplish worthwhile things in life. They are still made in the image of God. It is simply a statement of reality.

But I know that reality for lefties is a difficult concept to grasp since their foundational presupposition is the denial of reality. They are constantly try to recreate the world in their desired image. Believing one lie require the belief in more and more lies.

You can have your own i opinion but you cannot have your own truth.

ANDREW STEPHENSON
You didn’t say it, but it’s implicit in the argument that we should deliberately categorize people, even those that don’t really fit in the offered categories.
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Wrong. You are the one who seems to find a need to force people into categories. In fact you have to invent new categories contrary to evidence in order to make them fit.

No, they don’t fit into the two traditional categories but inventing new ones doesn’t do anything to affirm them or protect them from the rotten hand they were dealt in life. I’m sure life is hell for them. I feel sorry for them. But pretending isn’t going to change reality.

You say God has no relevance to life in the here and now. I disagree, He gives hope that there will be a new heaven and a new earth where there are no more tears and no more pain and no more crying. That makes the problems of life much easier to bear. As C.S. Lewis said,

“We are very shy nowadays of even mentioning heaven. We are afraid of the jeer about ‘pie in the sky’, and of being told that we are trying to ‘escape’ from the duty of making a happy world here and now into dreams of a happy world elsewhere. But either there is ‘pie in the sky’ or there is not. If there is not, then Christianity is false, for this doctrine is woven into its whole fabric. If there is, then this truth, like any other, must be faced, whether it is useful at political meetings or no.”
The Problem of Pain “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”

5 And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” 6 Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost."

Revelation 21: 1-6

Sounds good to me.
commented 2018-05-01 23:26:48 -0400
Allan Peterson commented 1 hour ago
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 9 hours ago
“I didn’t say it should be stigmatized. You are trying to put words in my mouth- that is called lying. "

You didn’t say it, but it’s implicit in the argument that we should deliberately categorize people, even those that don’t really fit in the offered categories.
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Again you are putting words in my mouth. Why don’t you deal with what I actually say rather than fabricate strawman arguments? I find it laughable that Mr-Babies-Are-Parasites expects his arguments to be taken seriously. "

You’re deliberately avoiding saying it directly, but words have meaning beyond the strictly literal sense. Perhaps you are unaware of the connotations of your comments. Perhaps you are deliberately denying it. If it’s the latter (and I suspect, given the hostility, that it is) I have very little time for using semantics in hope of establishing plausible deniability. If it’s the former, I apologize for the misunderstanding.

So, I’ll address this directly: You claim I’m putting words in your mouth to call it “stigmatization”. Do you not feel it is stigmatiztion to present that someone with somewhat unusual biology should not be allowed to embrace it? If someone is biologically or psychologically intersex, what do you call it when you tell them that they, more or less, don’t exist. If that is an imprecise term, what would you use to describe telling someone that being what they are, is invalid?

“Jesus doesn’t seem too hard to conceptualize to me. A lot easier than conceptualizing 72 genders.

The direct consequence is as I stated (and you ignored) is you have to keep on denying reality and truth and believing more and more lies. The truth will set you free. Lies and BS spinning,not so much. "

Nobody’s asking you to “conceptualize 72 genders”. Shall I get hostile about the unwelcome insertion of word into orifice? Regardless, the person who identifies with one of those “72 genders” probably understands that better than you do, and just because you object, doesn’t mean it’s not a valid identification. We’ve already established, by the existence of intersex individuals, that it’s not strictly 2, either, and beyond that the divisions get arbitrary since it’s a continuous spectrum rather than discrete stages – which is why self-identity is so important.
commented 2018-05-01 22:17:04 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 9 hours ago
I don’t so much reject god, so much as I have trouble conceptualizing something so abstract that has no direct consequence on our day to day lives.
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Don’t worry Andrew… God has trouble conceptualized you in his believes because your something so abstract and he knows you have no direct consequences in his life or plan.
commented 2018-05-01 22:16:03 -0400
Andrew, this would be your problem, methinks:
“When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”
G.K. Chesterton
commented 2018-05-01 22:09:49 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 9 hours ago
The Bible says the Bible is true. Hmm. That’s circular logic, is it not?
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Once again, that is not what I said . It wasn’t even what we discussing.and once again you are attempting to put words in my mouth to bolster your strawman arguments. I’ll give you credit Mr-Babies-Are-Paraites, your sophistry is well practised. Why do you want to believe lies so desperately?

ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 9 hours ago
I don’t so much reject god, so much as I have trouble conceptualizing something so abstract that has no direct consequence on our day to day lives.
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Jesus doesn’t seem too hard to conceptualize to me. A lot easier than conceptualizing 72 genders.

The direct consequence is as I stated (and you ignored) is you have to keep on denying reality and truth and believing more and more lies. The truth will set you free. Lies and BS spinning,not so much.

Your grasp of theology is quite weak for someone who makes such bold pronouncements on it. But hen your grasp of biology is equally weak.

Every parasite a wanted parasite.
commented 2018-05-01 22:00:12 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 9 hours ago
“I didn’t say it should be stigmatized. You are trying to put words in my mouth- that is called lying. "

You didn’t say it, but it’s implicit in the argument that we should deliberately categorize people, even those that don’t really fit in the offered categories.
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Again you are putting words in my mouth. Why don’t you deal with what I actually say rather than fabricate strawman arguments? I find it laughable that Mr-Babies-Are-Parasites expects his arguments to be taken seriously.
I guess dictionary definitions don’t fit the scope of the comforting lies you wish were reality.
commented 2018-05-01 17:30:43 -0400
The Left has always denied, or fought against Human Nature. They also think they can change human nature. Ok Lefty’s – become Righty’s . . . . . NOW! No? Why not? Can’t you change your nature?

They also hate Mother Nature. Because she reins supreme, and they think they’re above all that – pah!!
commented 2018-05-01 12:54:50 -0400
“Your rejection of God and scripture is the foundation of your delusions. Once that is denied life becomes a series of more and more denials of reality. Scripture is not bound by culture as a quick perusal of its spread around the world to every tribe and tongue and nation and culture will testify.

“All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.”
2 Timothy 3: 16&17 "

I don’t so much reject god, so much as I have trouble conceptualizing something so abstract that has no direct consequence on our day to day lives. God may exist, he may not, it makes no difference to me. It spread with the blade, and later by “missionary work”, aka getting gifts alongside tacit pressure to convert. Once you remove institutionalized religion, it quickly falters for the same reason I brought up – God’s existence has little meaning in day to day life beyond perhaps spiritual comfort, but of course spirituality isnt’ quite the same thing as religion.

The Bible says the Bible is true. Hmm. That’s circular logic, is it not? They all claim to be the sole true religion.
commented 2018-05-01 12:34:53 -0400
And no you’re not asking for anything normal… Anything you talk about is not normal… Normal is simple this is very complicated… Pull your skirt up
commented 2018-05-01 12:29:46 -0400
“I didn’t say it should be stigmatized. You are trying to put words in my mouth- that is called lying. "

You didn’t say it, but it’s implicit in the argument that we should deliberately categorize people, even those that don’t really fit in the offered categories. How do you handle the people that don’t fit? Do you say that theyr’e delusional and should try to fit in with one of those arbitrary and unrepresentative categories, or do you say “most people are one or the other, but if you’re not, that’s fine too!”. Take your six toed friend – it’s the difference between telling him that having five toes is the only valid option, and he should get it fixd, or saying “most people have five, some have more or less, and if that’s you, cool!”.

In this way, teaching a purely binary sex determination system, when there are clearly some level of outliers

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Fabricating new categories doesn’t make the abnormal, normal. Yes, it is a tragedy just like Down’s but people with Downs don’t claim to be “normal” they know they are not. But they should be and are quite often valued (except by Space Moose and other lefties) inspite of the lousy hand dealt to them. No child should ever be unwanted. "

I don’t think anybody gender-fluid claims to be “normal” either, if you use “normal” to mean “traditional” or “conventional” without the emotional connotations of the phrase. We, as a society, don’t try to pigeonhole Downs into “normal categories” – we accept they’re different, acknowledge it, accommodate it. There is severe societal pushback to stigmatization of it. We don’t teach, in school, that Downs is unnatural, or that being “normal” is the only valid way to be.

By the way, sex chromosome anomalies – genetically intersex, eg XXY – are about as common as the extra chromosome-21 leading to Downs, although probably underreported because of the social stigmas against lying outside “normal”.

“liza rosie commented 3 hours ago
Why is it okay for the left to push their agenda on us when it is not what we want for our children? Why should the left get away with trampling on OUR rights?
We don’t want it. In a free country, why is this being forced on our children when it is against objective truth?”

Who is “we”? The hundred-or-so ragtag protesters in Vancouver last week?

Objective truth is that it’s not strictly binary, and acknowledging that is not forcing anything on anyone. You’re not entitled to incorrect worldviews that stigmatize those lying outside what you consider valid.
commented 2018-05-01 09:25:45 -0400
Why is it okay for the left to push their agenda on us when it is not what we want for our children? Why should the left get away with trampling on OUR rights?
We don’t want it. In a free country, why is this being forced on our children when it is against objective truth?

In a free country why is this being forced on our children in the public schools we pay for?
commented 2018-05-01 05:28:47 -0400
One other thing Andrew… You have to believe in scripture before you can quote it .!! Now pull your skirt down and be a good girl and quit trying to get so much attention like this.!
commented 2018-05-01 05:26:25 -0400
Andrew… Common sense called you a long time ago on your pretend PhD and you were unable or unwilling to defend his accusations against you . The only thing I believe that you have that and self proclaimed is autism and it’s evident in the material that you post with.
commented 2018-05-01 02:59:43 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 1 hour ago
Why shouldn’t it be “normal”? If such “abnormalities” are naturally occurring, then “normalizing it”, which is to say is preferable to stigmatization for something beyond your control.
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I didn’t say it should be stigmatized. You are trying to put words in my mouth- that is called lying.

They are not “normal” just because they occur- just like people with Down’s ( whom the left seems to want to kill off at every opportunity. Somehow that "normal under your definition doesn’t get Norma treatment). Here is the Oxford Dictionary’s definition of normal:

(of a person) free from physical or mental disorders.
‘until her accident Louise had been a perfectly normal little girl’
‘many previously normal people exhibit psychotic symptoms after a few nights without sleep’ In some cases “getting on with your life” means acknowledging that traditional categories aren’t always a perfect fit for everyone.


Fabricating new categories doesn’t make the abnormal, normal. Yes, it is a tragedy just like Down’s but people with Downs don’t claim to be “normal” they know they are not. But they should be and are quite often valued (except by Space Moose and other lefties) inspite of the lousy hand dealt to them. No child should ever be unwanted.

The abnormality does not erase the image of God in them.

I don’t consider biblical quotes evidence of anything other than the particular cultural aversions of whoever wrote those particular passages.
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Your rejection of God and scripture is the foundation of your delusions. Once that is denied life becomes a series of more and more denials of reality. Scripture is not bound by culture as a quick perusal of its spread around the world to every tribe and tongue and nation and culture will testify.

“All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.”
2 Timothy 3: 16&17
commented 2018-05-01 01:21:52 -0400
“You are attempting to normalize an abnormality so that you can justify all other gender claims as being legitimate when clearly they’re not and never have been until the recent advent of left wing willful blindness.”

Why shouldn’t it be “normal”? If such “abnormalities” are naturally occurring, then “normalizing it”, which is to say is preferable to stigmatization for something beyond your control.

“Generally those so afflicted don’t try to normalize it, they just admit it for what it is and live their lives. They don’t pretend that they are a separate category of beings who demand special recognition as “other”.” Not everything is as subtle as having extra toes, and being polydactyl isn’t some intermediate state between two common states the way incomplete sexual differentiation is. In some cases “getting on with your life” means acknowledging that traditional categories aren’t always a perfect fit for everyone.

“Abnormalities may be “natural” in that they occur on a limited basis on occasion but that does not equate them with being normative. " What’s so great about “normative”? You’re asking other people to conform to your beliefs, rather than letting everyone live as they want.

I don’t consider biblical quotes evidence of anything other than the particular cultural aversions of whoever wrote those particular passages.
commented 2018-04-30 23:32:21 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 2 hours ago
That really triggers you, doesn’t it?
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Nope. It doesn’t. If anything triggers me it is wilful blindness.

Abnormalities may be “natural” in that they occur on a limited basis on occasion but that does not equate them with being normative.

“For even though they knew God, they did not honour Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 PROFESSING TO BE WISE, THEY BECAME FOOLS, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 FOR THEY EXCHANGED THE TRUTH OF GOD FOR A LIE, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is UNNATURAL, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the NATURAL function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, GOD GAVE THEM OVER TO A DEPRAVED MIND, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, BUT ALSO GIVE HEARTY APPROVAL TO THOSE WHO PRACTICE THEM."
commented 2018-04-30 23:23:34 -0400
But , Mr. Babies-Are-Parasites they are clearly abnormalities. Not a pejorative term, I hope. Just the traditional term. Someone with 6 toes has an abnormality. I went to college with just such a guy. Generally those so afflicted don’t try to normalize it, they just admit it for what it is and live their lives. They don’t pretend that they are a separate category of beings who demand special recognition as “other”.

You are attempting to normalize an abnormality so that you can justify all other gender claims as being legitimate when clearly they’re not and never have been until the recent advent of left wing willful blindness.
commented 2018-04-30 21:17:35 -0400
“Allan Peterson commented seconds ago
Yeah, whatever you say, Mr. Babies-Are Parasites. You are still desperately seeking comforting lies. "

What’s a “lie”? Intersex individuals clearly exist, and that’s the sole empirical fact that my argument is based upon. If you accept that sometimes things don’t work perfectly, physically, then why not also mentally?
commented 2018-04-30 21:16:49 -0400
Say there, Mr. Babies-Are- Parasites. What was the context for those verses you quoted out of Deuteronomy?
commented 2018-04-30 21:15:17 -0400
That really triggers you, doesn’t it?

Oh, wait, we can see, in the real world, a bunch of intersex individuals. This indicates that it’s natural, although perhaps infrequent, to be somewhere in the middle.
commented 2018-04-30 21:14:44 -0400
Yeah, whatever you say, Mr. Babies-Are Parasites. You are still desperately seeking comforting lies.
Forgive me if I don’t buy into the truth avoiding BS of your mental gymnastics.
commented 2018-04-30 18:42:44 -0400
Andrew Gordo Steele Stephenson, where is your apology about lying about holding a PhD?
And by the way, there are two genders, male and female. Thats it.
commented 2018-04-30 17:39:47 -0400
“Allan Peterson commented 2 hours ago
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 4 hours ago
“James Scott Scott commented 2 hours ago
Genesis 1:27”

Apparently whoever wrote that was bad at biology.
http://www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex
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Mr. Babies-are-Parasites, what you are referring to is an anomaly also known as a birth defect. These come from living in a sinful, fallen world. They are not another form of human life they are defects. This is sad but in no way does it present another gender. Nor does it detract form what is obvious to everyone but a wilfully blind leftist. __________________________________________________________ "

I’m not a “Mr”.

Nobody ever claimed it was another gender, merely that it resulted in something in between.

So, if there can be physical “birth defects”, can there not also be mental “birth defects” (that’s an unfortunately loaded term, but whatever), where perhaps instead of a physical incongruity you have a mental one. And, perhaps, if some individuals choose to not be “revised” to meet societal conventions, that that is their prerogative and we, as a society, should accept their choices?
commented 2018-04-30 17:36:25 -0400
Deuteronomy 13:6-10 New International Version (NIV)

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

“James Scott Scott commented 1 hour ago
Again….
Genesis 1:27”

yet, we have biological individuals who are not male nor female. it’s called “intersex”, and happens at a low, but nontrivial rate.

Which is to say, that the Bible cannot be taken strictly literally here.
commented 2018-04-30 17:14:57 -0400
Liberals like this specimen are mentally ill and should be locked up.
commented 2018-04-30 16:49:42 -0400
Oh and to answer your comment Andrew, the writer (author) was Moses.
commented 2018-04-30 16:44:04 -0400
Again….
Genesis 1:27