January 30, 2017

Bigots and apologists both wrong about Islamic terrorism

Rebel Staff
 

When an Islamic terrorist attack occurs in the Western World, people tend to divide into three camps. 

The first camp are people who are legitimately bigoted. 

The second camp — the camp I’m in — are people who are critical of Islamic doctrine.

The last camp is the leftist camp. They make excuses every time a Muslim terrorist attack occurs or the crime rate spikes because of unassimilated Muslim migrants.

“This isn’t representative of Islam,” a leftist Muslim apologist will say, even though, according the polls, 8 per cent of Muslims (that is, 80 million people) openly support ISIS.

There’s a war going on in the leftist mind. On one hand, they support human rights and hate violence. But, on the other hand, they support multiculturalism, even when one culture doesn’t support humans rights and non-violence.

Hatred of Muslims won’t end Islamic terrorism. The left’s unconditional love of Islam won’t, either.

 

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commented 2017-02-01 01:55:09 -0500
Vlad Taltos you mean like lefties who hate Jews and Christians?
And we are being sensible, we do not need to end up like Europe, i will not bow to sharia , does that make me a hater?
commented 2017-01-31 23:30:07 -0500
Jay Kelly.. Maybe you’ll change your mind when they MGM you just for shits and giggles..
You are like the rest of us in less you’ve converted, therefore you are an apostate to be murdered or tortured for fun.
commented 2017-01-31 23:19:21 -0500
Liza Rosie,
You are spot on. Call it subterfuge, fifth column – whatever you like. “giving back” as you put it, is the polar opposite reason for becoming active in government. It’s the latest “march through the institutions”.
commented 2017-01-31 16:34:59 -0500
Step one, population density in strategic areas.
Step two, get elected into government positions.
Call me skeptical, but I have my doubts about refugees/migrants/immigrants from Islamic countries entering Canadian government positions out of their sheer desire to ‘give back’ to Canada.
Some good people in bad theocracies. Some heavily invested people in bad theocracies, and some down right bad people in bad theocracies.
There is no place for a theocracy in the west.
Theocracies are bad for western freedoms.
Islam is a theocracy.
commented 2017-01-31 16:34:39 -0500
Of course there are Vlad. Good people get caught up in bad organizations for all sorts of reasons. Those born into it, converted and then regret it or females in ‘religions’, cults or movements who are kept in strict control under threat of beatings,death or just ostracised from family and community. That doesn’t change the fact that the ‘organization’ still stinks. No race is inherently bad, but there are less than stellar dictatorships and theocracies in which good people get caught up, for one reason or another. Sometimes its one particular race and sometimes, as in the case of Islam it involves every race in humankind. It doesn’t make them bad unless they do bad and don’t know to stop. I don’t have a problem with people who are caught up in Islam per se, My problem is with those who bring it here to hold onto in spite of Canadian law and grow it to obtain control and supremacy over their host country (which is a pretty blanket goal across all tribes of Islam).
commented 2017-01-31 15:52:23 -0500
Well said Jay!

I can’t understand people who hate every member of a group, race or religion. There are good and bad people among every group of people, race religion or whatever.
commented 2017-01-31 13:32:33 -0500
Dan Mancuso,
I hate even having to think about this stuff, I really do, but what choice do we have now? It’s in you face every second of every day.
The city I was born in and the city I grew up in (right next door to each other) are now unrecognizable.
You barely feel like you are even in Canada anymore. There is no community cohesion, everyone sticks to their own, the ethnic silos keep growing and the walls get higher.
I moved further out and it is definitely better. But I see the wave starting. With this Liberal government … there’s no escape.
Diversity is our strength … yeah right. Show me the proof. The empirical scientific proof. It doesn’t exist. It’s an airy-fairy empty statement that could have been lifted off a greeting card. Like most of our PM’s deep thoughts.
Canadians living with the consequences of this “policy” will tell you different. It’s depressing as hell.
commented 2017-01-31 11:39:16 -0500
ROBERT DICK commented 2 hours ago;
“…None of this bullshit would exist over here if the people weren’t here in the first place. Are there good and bad within the larger group? Of course. Do I care? Nope. I see no value being added to Canada by the people or their Culture. It is a net loss no matter how you add it up…”

But our hair-apparent PM tells us that ‘diversity is our strength’, all the time. Don’t you believe him?

And by the way Mr. Dick, I thought I was pessimistic and cynical!
“…The only discussion that needs to be had is how soon do we close the door. An impossible dream I know (here in pussywhipped Canada in particular), but barring that … it will only get worse. So yeah, learn to live with it.”

“Learn to live with it.” – those words could very well be our culture’s epitaph!
commented 2017-01-31 10:54:38 -0500
Well done, Jay. I am right wing, but I believe in non-violence. That makes me oppose radical Islam and see it as a stain on true democracy. We will blend, culturally, but at a gradual and slow pace over time. It cannot be crammed down our throats in one huge lump.
commented 2017-01-31 09:43:25 -0500
Jay,
I look forward to your commentary – always pragmatic and well thought out. You can decide what camp I fall into. Here’s my analysis.

Islam is not in need of reformation. It is currently in the midst of one. And the dark side is winning. They are prepared to use violence to get what they want – the other side is not prepared to use violence to defend their side therefore they will lose.

Therefore – let them sort it out … OVER THERE … among themselves. Allowing that ideological war to happen here, on our soil is just plain stupid.

I have searched for the up-side of Islamic immigration to Canada. I can not see it. If anyone out there can enlighten me please do.

None of this bullshit would exist over here if the people weren’t here in the first place. Are there good and bad within the larger group? Of course. Do I care? Nope. I see no value being added to Canada by the people or their Culture. It is a net loss no matter how you add it up.

The only discussion that needs to be had is how soon do we close the door. An impossible dream I know (here in pussywhipped Canada in particular), but barring that … it will only get worse. So yeah, learn to live with it.
commented 2017-01-31 01:58:09 -0500
A problem I see is: How can anyone reform Islam when everything about it says it must stay the way that Mohammed did things back in the 7th century?
commented 2017-01-31 01:56:20 -0500
We may never know what motivated this gunman eh lefties?
commented 2017-01-31 01:55:31 -0500
Jay Kelly i guess all the white privilege BS from the progressives is just making people turn to white supremacist groups then as well? So white supremacy is the progressives fault according to yours and their logic.
commented 2017-01-31 01:48:27 -0500
“Jay Kelly commented 4 months ago

“daily top TEN for the Counter Jihad” should really read “daily top TEN for the PRO Jihad” since Victor Laszlo, for personal reasons, wants to stir up a hatred of “the other”. He has had a tough life and supposes that hatred of Muslims will somehow make that better. "

http://www.therebel.media/daily_top_ten_for_the_counter_jihad_sept_29_test_replace

Yes non-lying Jay Kelly, say what needs to be said and don’t be ashamed. How exactly does stirring up hatred of Muslims encourage Jihad as you suggested above?
commented 2017-01-31 01:38:13 -0500
Maybe he’s going to force the Saudis to give over all those air conditioned tents to a refugee safe zone, in Saudi Arabia! If their is leverage to be found Trump will use it.
commented 2017-01-31 01:29:48 -0500
Peter—please watch this 17min. video which educates the viewer on how Muslims operate from start to finish with regards to taking over an area. This is the true story of Lake Calhoon, Minnesota.
Aug.2016 17 min.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=827CPdNq394
commented 2017-01-31 01:08:29 -0500
Jay Kelly; Because it was Obama’s list. and because saudi keeps decent criminal records so back ground checks can actually be done.
commented 2017-01-31 01:06:56 -0500
why is it that the left are walking , talking contradictions and openly declare it every time they open their pie holes and start regurgitating.
this very phenomena happens in hollywood at their closed parties we get to watch, at marches , riots and demonstrations, on left stream news media, in parliament, legislative assemblies ,in congress and in the senate .
commented 2017-01-31 00:50:56 -0500
Keith Barnes mentions “Saudi Gold”. Weird, eh, how most of the players in the airplane attacks of September 11th were Saudi nationals. But when Donald Trump put out a list of prohibited nations — places where no one could come to the United States because of ties to terrorism — Saudi Arabia was not on it.

Imagine President Donald Trump standing up against “Saudi Gold”.
commented 2017-01-31 00:40:14 -0500
The biggest danger that we Canadians face, besides the Death Cult it’s self, comes from the Leftist scum, led by Trudeau. We have seen a lot of these professional protesters just lately and they are all paid for by the Clinton Foundation and Saudi Gold.

We, who are normal, are in for the battle of our lives, very shortly, unless we do something right now.

Use your imagination.
commented 2017-01-31 00:18:55 -0500
Jay Kelly not Jay Fayza
commented 2017-01-31 00:17:58 -0500
Screw off Jay. I am clear about my opinion on Islam. I welcome anyone who wants to live peacefully. I don’t welcome Islam and you know why , because there is nothing peaceful about Islam.
commented 2017-01-31 00:10:40 -0500
Liza Rosie: “Peter as long as Islam is rejected when they come in, I’m all in.”

Liza, do you mean it? You have the sense that Islam is to be rejected at the border? Is it the sense that all Muslims should be rejected at the border?

Does that not throw your status into question? Like many Canadians you are proud of your status. I gather you are not a Muslim.

But what are you? If you put up these limits the question will come up.

Your name seems queer, or peculiar. Do you post with your real name or do you use a false name?

Are you queer? Are you a man or woman?

Are you Scottish Protestant? Nothing to be ashamed of there.

Are you willing to defend yourself? Say what needs to be said. No need to be ashamed.
commented 2017-01-30 23:23:38 -0500
To tell or suggest Muslims to reform their religion would be like telling Catholics you have to change Catholicism.
The ‘religion’ of Islam will never change. Perhaps, with enough exposure to the Western society and culture, some who were raised as Muslims will question their beliefs and determine if they want to be associated with a belief system that dictates killing of non-believers. But, by changing our laws to accommodate Sharia law will not be helping any new immigrants to see our culture as a new culture for them. It is simply a place to carry on where they left off.

I believe many Muslims do not condone what the Quran dictates, but live in fear of being killed if they denounce or renounce Islam.
But people will follow, believe and do as they are told when they are repeatedly being brainwashed, no matter where they live. Those who are being intimidated or threatened are more apt to want to distance themselves (eg younger women, ultimate honour killings result). Most people lack the ability to recognize how ill-informed they truly are out of sheer ignorance.
Pope St. John Paul II stood up to, challenged and ultimately won against communism. He never gave up and as a young man dedicated his life to fighting this evil by obtaining the education, knowledge, words that would be his sword against this evil. It was his strength, determination, dedication and love of God that made him one of the greatest defenders of Christ and the world benefitted from his dedication.
Leaders like Pope St. John Paul II are sadly missed.
commented 2017-01-30 23:19:16 -0500
“”http://tsecnetwork.ca/2017/01/27/member-of-parliament-iqra-khalid-is-an-islamist-hypocrite/">http://tsecnetwork.ca/2017/01/27/member-of-parliament-iqra-khalid-is-an-islamist-hypocrite/
Terrorism And Security Experts Canada
An example of just how far down the rabbit hole we have already gone. We need to catch up.

“Duplicity
MP Iqra Khalid, like MP Omar Alghabra, is typical of the Islamist extremists that are using political Entryism to infiltrate our political system. She leads and supports front groups which espouse Islamist extremism, such as the Muslim Student Association, yet at the same time claims to be a victim of the (largely) fake concept of Islamophobia.
Canada and its Parliament would be best served is Member of Parliament Iqra Khadid would either directly denounce the Muslim Brotherhood, the ISNA and the Muslim Student Association or admit that she is a supporter of extremist Islamists – including those that advocate wife beating here in Canada.”
commented 2017-01-30 23:00:26 -0500
Right you are, Ron Voss.
The Protestant reformation did not change the text of scripture. It simply returned to its original interpretation. For Islam to be reformed the whole Koran would have to be rejected. Something I would be totally in favour of, by the way. But, like you say, it isn’t ever going to happen.
commented 2017-01-30 22:56:03 -0500
Everyone else figured it out, Jay. That logic course is calling.
commented 2017-01-30 22:56:03 -0500
Everyone else figured it out, Jay. That logic course is calling.
commented 2017-01-30 22:43:11 -0500
Too bad Jay Fayza comes across as something of a schill on The Rebel. I do not think he is.

I wish he would put a bit of thought into his terms. He says, for example, that some people are “legitimately bigoted.” Does that mean their bigotry is legitimate and there is nothing wrong with it? Does it mean there are truly engrained bigots who will not likely change? Or does it mean some people come by their bigotry honestly because how they were raised or other influences and they are not fully responsible for their current state?

He should spend a bit more time thoughtfully discussing things. Come to think of it that would be very good for The Rebel as a whole.