April 22, 2016

Bill S-223 UPDATE: Senator so “clueless” about firearms, hunting, she doesn’t even know what “venison” is

Todd BrownRebel Blogger

During her speech for the second reading of Bill S-223, Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette shows her total lack of understanding when it comes to firearms and their use:

“In the North, firearms are used as a tool for subsistence hunting, while in the South, people seem to be increasingly obsessed with firearms and less interested in using them for the pleasure of eating deer meat or other types of venison.”

She somehow seems to think that us “southerners” are some kind knuckle-dragging rednecks that do not know anything about hunting. I might ask her, “What other types of venison are there beside deer meat?” Are elk, moose, buffalo, antelope, etc., other types of venison? Senator, only deer meat can be called venison.

In the very next sentence, the good Senator espoused:

“Restricted firearms, which are essentially firearms that are capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner and handguns.”

Again, her total lack of knowledge shows through. I wonder if she knows about all the semi-automatic rifles in Canada that are in the “non-restricted” category? Maybe she does not know about barrel length limitations.

Then she goes on to suggest that “restricted firearms were designed strictly for military purposes.” She really has no idea of how many different kinds of firearms there in the restricted category. A high percentage of them were never designed for military applications.

“The main objective of this bill is to encourage hunting and recreational shooting in Canada.”

Just how Senator Payette can seriously state this is beyond my comprehension. Her bill will ban all rifles for “hunting purposes” except smooth bore black powder, shotguns and 22 semi-auto rifles. Big game cannot be hunted with a .22, and not many know how, or want to learn how hunt with muzzle loaders or shotguns.

Everything else will have to be in a central storage location. The only way to access those guns will be with a authorized person to transport them for you.

These new rules will not “encourage hunting and recreational shooting in Canada.” This will dramatically hurt the hunting and recreational shooting industry in Canada.

Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette is clueless when it comes to firearms and the hunting industry in Canada.




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commented 2016-04-30 19:29:46 -0400
If you are trying to buy a “restricted weapon”…..Background checks NOW go right back to Kindergarten……how much more “enhanced”….can you get? Dumb people, with dumb ideas, ….knowing NOTHING about the subject…..but, as politicians WILL do, making stupid comments anyway.
commented 2016-04-25 00:17:02 -0400
From the proposed law, a circumscribed firearm is: “ c) a firearm — other than a prohibited firearm — that is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,”

Yeah, semiautomatics are never used for hunting. Ever: http://www.basspro.com/Benelli-Super-Black-Eagle-II-Realtree-APG-SemiAuto-Shotgun/product/10218374/

This is so tremendously ignorant.

This is just to divide and conquer firearms owners. They will probably make arbitrary exceptions for some of the guns that people complain about in the regulations and ban all the evil looking black rifles. Do not think that once most of the semi-autos are gone that they won’t come for the bolts, breaks, pumps, levers, .22s and muzzleloaders. Parliament got shot up with a lever action firearm. That kid in Saskatchewan shot up his school with a pump action shotgun. We have to stick together.

Sign the petition and help show we won’t be divided:
commented 2016-04-23 21:09:19 -0400
Nathan W, you are the one who either doesn’t understand the facts, or is deliberately misrepresenting the facts. The bill is very clear. All center-fire long guns, except shot guns are to be reclassified from “hunting rifles” to “restricted firearms” and will be required to be stored in storage facilities at a gun range. ALL HUNTING RIFLES ARE CENTER-FIRE!!!!! Old WWII converted army rifles are center-fire, Lee Enfield 303 are center-fire, old Mauser 8mm are center-fire, Winchester 30-30 are center-fire, Savage 308 are center-fire, all 306 caliber rifles are center-fire, all bolt action, lever action, pump action or semi-auto action hunting rifles are center-fire. The only rim-fired rifles are .22 caliber, and the only thing you can hunt with a .22 are rabbits, grouse and varmints, and the only thing you can hunt with a shot gun is birds. The bill would virtually eliminate the hunting of big game such as deer, caribou, elk, moose and bear. I don’t live in a big city. I know many local families who still depend on hunting to put food on the table. As such, if this ever becomes law, virtually every gun owner I know will disobey the law, stock up on ammunition and hide their guns. And that’s a fact.
commented 2016-04-23 15:21:42 -0400
@ Nathan W – “You may disagree with her policy preferences.”

The problem is that if the bill is passed, her screwed up “policy preferences” affect everyone in Canada.

We have every right and responsibility to criticize her senate bill.
commented 2016-04-23 14:10:11 -0400
So the Liberal witch who tabled this in the Senate hit compulsory retirement age on friday April 22nd…..so if she is not there to read the bill on Monday does that not mean that the matter is dead on the order table?
commented 2016-04-23 13:52:17 -0400
Any legislation that turns law abiding citizens into criminals is unjust and inhumane. How can it be helpful in anyway to outlaw citizens just to infringe upon their basic rights like freedom and self defense. How many people were killed today by law abiding citizens?. The current government is not happy with just being in charge, they want to control our entire lives. Tell us how to live, who to like, what to eat, what to think. It seems to me this has happened before but in Germany. Look how that turned out. I wonder how many lives this government is willing to damage or destroy to become totally in control. This is not how a democracy works. The government is supposed to reflect the wishes of the people not impose their wishes on the people. Any law that effects this many people should have to be put to a referendum so everyone has a voice.
commented 2016-04-23 10:45:14 -0400
only a liberal would propose this, what a pathetic joke of a bill. As the last one the registry, no one will comply no one.
commented 2016-04-23 04:25:59 -0400
This contentious issue is merely a window into a much darker hidden agenda. With that being said, however, it is an extremely important one as it may be the only tool for Freedom and Liberty’s last defense. This is but one of an unlimited barrage of “Luciferic” attacks on our inalienable rights, freedoms and liberty. What is happening in Canada today is just as valid and actually parallels what is occurring in the US and in all Western Civilizations. Much of the Western World is under vociferous attack from the tyranny of delusional governments, elitists, apologists, special interest groups and societal leeches, all led by power and fame-seeking Marxist malignant narcissists masquerading as the “Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing”. The insatiable infantile ego that we commonly witness arising in children around the age of ‘two’, if left uncorrected in childhood and through adolescence, manifests in adulthood as serious personality disorders and psychopathic behaviors, as is evident everywhere today in all walks of life and in positions of power, for which, comes at a huge cost to society and threatens it’s very survival.

Due to post-modern deconstructionism and the pervasive relativism that demonizes the exact same integrity, values and principles that forms the very foundation of wisdom, freedom and liberty, this scourge continues to persistently and relentlessly attack “Truth” from both within, and from the outside (ex: Islam), by adamantly rejecting Truth and replacing it with blatant falsehood. Egomaniac leaders cleverly exploit the naive mind by proselytizing the rejection of responsibility and accountability through the use of catchy memes, “Straw Man Fallacies”, hollywoodism, slander, hurt feelings, political correctness, victim-hood, denial of Truth, and gross falsehood to the extent of overtly hypnotic intoxication of mass demonstrations and theatrical displays that are further aided and abetted by the media. Even the highest courts in the so called ‘free-world’ that are suppose to provide context in the true ‘spirit’ of the law and use wisdom, highly integrous logic and reason to defend ‘Truth’, have stated that “Truth is no defense”. This abomination of ‘Truth’ and plaque-like acceleration of extreme disillusionment has pushed democracies today to the tipping point of potentially ‘no return’. The American Revolution is a true testament to the power of the people in defeating tyranny (the Redcoats were plotting to confiscate the Colonials guns and ammo due to the Colonies resistance to paying oppressive high taxes to Britian). Just as it was then, it is the people whom must be always be vigilant and only the people are the true defenders of Inalienable Rights, Freedom and Liberty for all.

The first 10 minutes or so of this first video sums up a couple of George Washington’s most valuable warnings to future generations:

It’s no use saying, ‘’We are doing our best.’’ You have got to succeed in doing what is necessary.
Winston Churchill (1874-1965) British politician.
If you have an important point to make, don’t try to be subtle or clever. Use the pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time; a tremendous whack.
Winston Churchill (1874-1965) British politician.
Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival.
Winston Churchill (1874-1965) British politician.
commented 2016-04-23 02:23:41 -0400
Massive non compliance coming.

What have I been preaching all along?

Oil up your firearms.

Hide them away.

Buy a couple of boxes of ammo for each one.

Hide them.

Tell no one – not even your best friend.

Someday you will be happy you did.

Anytime you hear someone from east of the Ontario Manitoba border complain, tell them this:

You are an ass hole. If you did not vote for the pig in Ottawa then some of your family and friends did – they are ass holes.

Maritimes – clean sweep libs.

Kebec – strong libs.

Ontario – strong libs.

You got what you deserve.

So shut the f**k up and get on with your life.

Much as merkel is f**king Europe – YOU f**ked Canada.

Yeah, YOU!!!

You are simply getting what you deserve.
commented 2016-04-23 01:23:10 -0400
So does this mean that our gun bearers will drop the guns off at our door and we’ll be on our way? Or does this mean that they will carry them out to where we hunt as well? Will we have to feed and house them on our hunting trips? Will they aim and pull the triggers for us? Will they gut and quarter the moose, deer, elk or whatever? If they miss our shot can we file a complaint against them? Will we have to give them 6 months notice about which day or days we want to go hunting? This could end up looking like the upper class twit of the year from Monty Python:

Rachel Motley will love this because she can expand the number of unionized provincial workers.
“Professing to be wise they became fools”.
commented 2016-04-23 00:34:12 -0400
a) venison includes many cuts which are not normally referred to as meat. As the northener, I think you should let her use her own God damned understanding of the reality she lives in to use words the way she sees fit.

b) WTF does that have to do with understanding firearms? Your title is misleading, as usual.

c) The whining victim narrative about how you claim she views southerners is just pathetic.

This is all word games, trying to twist her words and misrepresent what she actually meant, instead seeking some sort of way to claim that the words could have meant something else, and then call her a liar. One of the lowest grade sources of information around. Your readers deserve better. Please do a better job.

You may disagree with her policy preferences. But you misrepresent her entirely. Let’s stick with the facts. Defend your perspective, don’t lead such a campaign of misleading innnuendo against those you disagree with. It is entirely dishonest, and Canadians deserve better.
commented 2016-04-22 21:44:45 -0400
If a bill like this was to pass.
We must have mass no compliance and protests at every provincial legislature with arms in hand.
commented 2016-04-22 20:34:15 -0400
What difference does it make what she knows about hunting. For the left, the object is to get all the guns so they can ram they’re tyranny down out throats while we’re defenseless.
commented 2016-04-22 18:10:28 -0400
John Doe, I am all in.. The green slime Gregor in the lower mainland would pose a grave problem though. And blackmailing bitch Christy is not the gem a lot of people think she is. It would be great though. Man, Sask, Alta,BC and the Yukon. What a powerhouse. And NO more transfer payments.
commented 2016-04-22 17:32:04 -0400
Al’s Heimer wrote that bill.
commented 2016-04-22 16:16:06 -0400
I highly expect she’s clueless on a whole lot of things.
commented 2016-04-22 16:13:00 -0400
I really don’t know what it will take for us all (or most) to wake up to the deterioration of our individual rights in Canada. Honestly, the only answer I see working is to do the same as our ancestors did when they came here. But where to go now? No ships sailing from Canadian ports to the Moon or Mars. So the next best thing would be to congregate democratically in one place and seek independence. I’ve got an idea! How ’bout a new nation west of the Ontario boarder?
commented 2016-04-22 15:18:25 -0400
Eldon, the ability to “self-identify” as anything is a construct available on for the socialists nimrods. Fair or not, the same crowd that recognize a person’s right to self identify as whatever they feel like would laugh at a right wing conservative’s attempt to do the same, gun owner or not.
commented 2016-04-22 14:18:37 -0400
All gun owners who have ever hunted for table meat. Should ‘self identify’ as a native Canadian. That way none of this would apply to us. As the natives will be exempt. Hey, self identification with no physical proof works for the transgenders. It’s only fair self identification should apply to us as well. Otherwise it’s a clear case of discrimination.
commented 2016-04-22 14:08:34 -0400
I remember in the SNN days when Stephen Harper was still PM and I felt relatively safe as a Canadian. Even though I am a White, Christian, heterosexual, male, gun owner and hunter, I felt comfortable and confident in speaking my mind on contentious issues – like the state taking my guns…
These days with Justin’s handlers running things – in spite of THEREBEL’s growing popularity – I not only feel completely marginalized, I feel actual fear from the threat Justin’s regime represents to not just Canada, but specifically, to White, Christian, heterosexual, male, gun owners and hunters like myself, who feel compelled to speak out!
Hell of a job you’re doing Justin…
commented 2016-04-22 13:34:54 -0400
Junior is consulting with everyone other than people who have knowledge concerning firearms.
commented 2016-04-22 13:23:50 -0400
the tribe is better armed than the cops by a bunch. and it is pretty easy for them to tell who is and who isn’t native, bahahahaha! and when I was in the special forces, at least a third of the guys were native.
good luck with that.
commented 2016-04-22 13:16:32 -0400
Peter Karelse said, " … we all paid for this moronic piece of legislation."

Well, it is not legislation yet, and hopefully never will be.

But as for a legal method to block this bill from passing into law as Redd X suggests, I doubt there is a way, but then I too am not a lawyer. Then there is the funding issue even if there is a legal method to oppose the bill’s reading. The government has almost bottomless pockets, we don’t.

Somehow, Daryl Herman’s implied suggestion as a course action (among others on this website) may be the only option.
commented 2016-04-22 12:59:11 -0400
Maryann – you can’t honestly believe the Liberals intend to hold first nations to the same legal obligations as Canadians? They’ll cut them an exemption, like they did last time – maybe even cut the ethnic gangs an exemption from prosecution – or any other section 15(2) minority who barks too loud at their repressive law making – they need moral public optics while they are screwing us so we can’t have minorities calling them racist thugs can we – that’s how your hardcore commie works Mandrake.
commented 2016-04-22 12:51:02 -0400
I see a business opportunity in this. The illegal trade in unregistered weapons. How on earth will they ever check everyone. If the gun is registered well you run the risk of it being seized. This law is as stupid as they come and much to our chagrin we all paid for this moronic piece of legislation.
commented 2016-04-22 12:25:12 -0400
Redd X – think about it. They made millions of Canadians paper criminals with the stroke of a pen – because they got the pen – but are totally soft when dealing with REAL criminals, rapists, pedophiles & terrorists – and yes it is an idiots dream to assume things should always be LEGAL – however when is the populace going to awake and realize that what this and other Western governments are doing is NOT LEGAL??? – turning rabid jihadists out amongst us and protecting and championing them – yet the will of the people is totally repressed to making them the criminal?! Come on now – there is only one choice coming at you like a run-away locomotive with a load of explosives behind it.
Redd X – how is all this righteous “legal” shit working for you? I know you must realize deep down in your gut that when laws like the one presented goes into effect – they know exactly what your move will be and they know exactly where each and every gun you own is. Does that make you feel righteous?
When they start registering TERRORISTS – then I may decide to register guns.
commented 2016-04-22 12:19:40 -0400
try this shit out with the FIRST NATIONS PEOPLE…..let’s see how well that will work eh?Justin ( CANADIAN BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS )Trudope
commented 2016-04-22 12:11:20 -0400
Kelvin, I totally agree with you! Not only does this gobermint need to learn civic lessons in personal behavior in ruling the Canadian people – it is time they learn what a bullet is -1 bullet per each. And the whole process needs to start with that slime ball Allen Rock – who is semi-hiding at some Libtard university in Queebec.
Yes – it is time for Canadian freedom lovers to knock this tyranny back to were it belongs by forming serious militias. If the Taliban and ISIS can do it – so can we! But then again the Taliban and ISIS are not trying to protect our freedom just opposite – so in aligning the dots – it is time to do serious revolt against tyrannical governments who are using these barbarians to subvert our freedom.
If we had more men politicians like this man in the vid – Libtards would be in exile instead of ecstasy!
commented 2016-04-22 12:08:53 -0400
I’m not a lawyer ……..
Are there any grounds for a class action suite for an injunction to block the reading of this Bill S-223?
Could be crowd funded.
commented 2016-04-22 12:02:21 -0400
So Keith, does that mean we won’t see the dudleys kicking down doors to the known radical mosques looking for illegal weapons? Oh silly me,that would look like they’re serving and protecting.