August 11, 2017

Biological engineering: The good, the bad, and the ugly

Rebel Staff

Biological human engineering is something most people think belongs in science fiction, but this technology exists and it's called CRISPR. 

CRISPR alters the genetic coding of human embryos, an early stage of development when cells are still malleable enough to allow bio-technicians to manipulate the direction of their development.

This news is both scary and exciting.

On the one hand, it gives us the ability to edit and remove illnesses before they manifest.

On the other, it is a violation of the embryo's consent. Maybe they don't want to genetic modifications being imposed upon them.

WATCH my video to see how this technology works, and why it may fundamentally change the human condition.

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commented 2017-08-12 11:55:49 -0400

The possibilty of unintended consequences is huge. I don’t disagree. In fact, I can already see an issue. Mr. Fayza invokes both Newton and Einstein as brilliant scientific minds.

They would both be considered autistic by present definitions.

In fact many historically regarded geniuses had very directed brilliance – and a tendency to be very difficult individuals in other aspects of their lives. Very characteristic of autism. Tesla, Mozart, Steve Jobs… all on the spectrum. The two traits are biologically two sides of the same coin. Assuming it is something that can be engineered – are we as a society able to handle the inevitable consequences of a civilization of brilliant idiots? By comparison, things like eye colour are probably trivial.

I think the ethics are going to be one of the defining issues of the 21st century but we do need to get ahead of it.
commented 2017-08-12 11:54:43 -0400

I tend to go with the perception of most genetic diseases as mere accidents of biology. Sometimes chromosomes get wrongly partitioned when a cell divides. Down’s is merely the most survivable of the obvious missortings (extra X chromosomes are about as common, but the symptoms are subtler and it’s often not detected), though CRISPR is not useful against entire extra chromosomes, but rather fixing typos within.

Perhaps, though, the better example is CF. Again, it’s largely an accident. Two parents each possessing one “good” CFTR gene, and one bad one, have a child that just happens to inherit the bad copies from each parent. If you have a good copy, you don’t have the disease since that one copy is enough for normal function. It’s bad luck. What do you do in that case? If you’re playing God, what of the aggressive medical intervention needed to allow CF children to survive infancy? They invariably die without it. It’s not unknown for disease variants to have some other benefit, the best known example is that carriers of sickle cell (one good and one bad copy, again) have immunity to malaria, but not all diseases have such effects. Some simply persist because selection against it is too weak to eliminate the mutations, or because they happened too recently for natural selection to remove the allele.
commented 2017-08-12 08:46:35 -0400
We’re already going that path of an elite class versus billions of slaves. With their extreme multiculturalism mixing all races alltogether. Do you truly believe the elite will not use gene manipulation to their advantage? Think twice.
commented 2017-08-12 02:08:17 -0400
Andrew Stephenson should we be meddling with things like Downs in the first place? It may have a purpose in nature that we are not aware of yet, as may some diseases. For preventing things that have been manifested non naturally by humans then i would have no argument, but who are we to meddle with nature? You know as well as i do that many humans will taint this and want designer children, if we create too many of those it could theoretically cause our extinction from something we may have been able to cope with had we let nature takes its course. It is still a ways off like you say, but we will have to deal with it eventually.
commented 2017-08-11 21:57:56 -0400
Very well put, Jay. It simply is not good to fool with Mother Nature. But this will be used for the benefit of those who are trying to control this universe, the population and to have a purified race of humans on this earth. Kinda like Margaret Sanger’s approach whom Hitler greatly admired.
Babies are no longer a product of love, they are a product.
Unfortunately, people will be told it is a good thing and society will accept it, same as abortion, assisted suicide and euthanasia.
commented 2017-08-11 21:13:56 -0400
This will definitely give the utilitarian, control freaks of the world further reason to pry into our lives… Folks, we can kiss what little freedom we have left goodbye once this technology takes hold.

Indeed, as Solzhenitsyn astutely stated: “Man has set for himself the goal of conquering the world but in the processes loses his soul. That which is called humanism, but what would be more correctly called irreligious anthropocentrism, cannot yield answers to the most essential questions of our life. We have arrived at an intellectual chaos.”
commented 2017-08-11 21:05:08 -0400
Asked “I wonder if anybody is crazy enough to give birth to a Hitler clone”?

They have already cloned Castro, it’s called Trudeau.
commented 2017-08-11 20:57:16 -0400
Also regarding the ethical issues Mr. Fayza addresses, there are not many triploid or haploid children born any more in the West.
commented 2017-08-11 20:26:46 -0400
We live in a fallen world. When it comes to anything new in manipulative scientific innovation, always expect the worst.
commented 2017-08-11 20:25:01 -0400
For now, anyway, the “scary” implications are fairly limited – we simply don’t understand human genetics well enough to begin forward-engineering certain traits. We do understand certain genetic diseases such as cystic fibrosis, which have defined genetic origins and are usually traceable back to a single mutation – and that’s where the editing can help remove deleterious traits. As of right now, the mechanism has size limitations, at this point can’t easily be used against traits arising from multiple genes, or solve chromosomal issues such as Down’s or other aneuploidies.

CRISPR has been around for a few years – it was actually discovered about a decade ago in bacteria, they use it as an immune response against bacteriophage (viruses that infect bacteria). It’s been used in labs for about five years for fairly routine experiments in human-derived cell lines. It was mostly the ethical limitations holding it back from being used in actual humans.
commented 2017-08-11 20:24:56 -0400
This bio engineering is definitely a good thing. AT the very least, babies are born without their parents genetic health conditions.

On a side note, disabled people should not be allowed to pass on their bad genes to the next gen.

I wonder if anybody is crazy enough to give birth to a Hitler clone?
commented 2017-08-11 19:26:38 -0400
Jay, that was a very fascinating video. I agree with your position.
commented 2017-08-11 19:14:17 -0400
If it is still available, read the book, ’The Ethical Canary: Science, Society and the Human Spirit", by Margaret Somerville. Published 2000 by Viking. It addresses the ethical dilemma, based on the genetic science of the time, Mr. Fayza talks about. The same moral issues, but now science has exceeded 2000 while the ethical dilemma has not kept up.
commented 2017-08-11 19:07:04 -0400
Basically, the ones who will be deciding about human engineering are the current globalist in power who have successfully enacted social engineering. So it is pretty easy to see what their decision will be. The creation of a human bee hive where the elites get the royal jelly, and the masses are programmed to do the work without question.
commented 2017-08-11 18:15:25 -0400
Don’t get me wrong , i love science, but the evil aspects and applications of such get to be accepted and
expected and too many people get accustomed to the bad side of it. The term is “The Banality of Evil!”
With knowledge comes responsibility.
commented 2017-08-11 18:12:11 -0400
This will be a blessing and a curse as it will be used for good in some cases and in others to play God and in others as a weapon. To all the atheists out there who speak of evolution, you do realize that this is another nail the death of evolution. Abortion is one nail, selective abortion is another, pre screening in the womb resulting in actions against Down Syndrome is another , this may wipe it out entirely.
commented 2017-08-11 18:08:58 -0400
Hey i like that term “Embryos consent” , i gotta use that on some liberal idiot, like the ones who say cows are raped.