October 31, 2016

Canada, Europe and free trade: After some hiccups and tears, Liberals close CETA deal

Brian LilleyArchive

After a few hiccups, and some tears, Canada has signed the CETA trade deal, and Minister Freeland even gave a shout-out to Stephen Harper for the work he did towards making this deal happen.

This is good news for our country. We’ve always relied on trade and though we’re small in population, we’re big in ambitions and resources. Trade is vitally important to our economy.

Whether it’s sentiments around Brexit in Europe or NAFTA in the U.S., we live in a time when people are cynical about trade deals and are looking inward rather than outward.

But this deal is good for Canadian business.

We can compete when we’re on a level playing field and that’s what this deal will do.

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commented 2016-11-02 13:24:56 -0400
Trade – free or otherwise – is essential and important to every economy, whether in your local community or in a global market. Trade is a good thing, it produces products and profit and profit makes the world go round. Which is why free market capitalism is a good thing, and why, what we have today instead – crony capitalism forced on once sovereign Western nations, now all under under imposed socialism – is a bad thing…
You’re always going to have ‘the big boys’ running things and dictate the terms of any so-called trade negotiations. It will always be for their benefit and agenda and always, always against the people, and on their backs!
Trade is good.
‘Negotiated’ trade treaties, especially in-camera global ones, by virtue of human nature – sheep and wolves – will always be bad for the majority…
We’re the majority, why are we letting this tiny minority do this to us?
commented 2016-11-01 22:55:53 -0400
A very wise decision on her part to give credit where credit is due.
Perhaps she realizes she won’t have a job in a few years and wants this brownie point on her record.
commented 2016-11-01 20:38:10 -0400
So what was it that, all of a sudden, managed to change minds in order to make CETA happen? Well, Justin was so desperate at that point, and couldn’t yet again suffer more bad press and further damage to his ego that he simply sold out to make it work. The EU is struggling to manage with an unprecedented migrant crisis so…here you go Canada. Justin buckled under the pressure and now we can expect 500,000 or more new refuggees.
commented 2016-11-01 15:48:46 -0400
Thanks John S. for your 2 essays, although they were quite concise this time. Usually I need a nap half way through. They do explain why you will be able to count your votes on one hand though.

commented 2016-11-01 14:35:50 -0400
Will someone please explain to me what they think Canada will look like with out free trade? Who are we going to trade with ourselves? That ain’t going to work fellas.
If Trump gets in there will be no doubt about renewed trade negotiations, and we had better put our big boy pants on and get in the game. We cannot survive as a country with out the trading of our goods to other countries.
Trading with other nations does not make us globalists.
commented 2016-11-01 13:44:51 -0400
Therefore conservatives are lost in their own internal struggle now between protectionism versus free trade.

It ought to be interesting but many in the movement appear to think that being against globalism means free markets when libertarians and classical liberals have always wanted to sell out the nation and strategic resources. Let us not forget that Harper praised globalism and the EU and free trade agreements and his 37 agreements.

That alone shows many on here lack the knowledge of their own party’s history even from just the last 5 years.

The fact is Trump just wants rewriting and nothing more and then more failed corporate tax cuts when that won’t do much because protectionism requires tariffs and full employment and government across the board choosing what industries get built here.

Trump is not advocating that but only rewriting or then abandoning those plans altogether. How easily people get fooled on the CON side.

After all, once capitalism transitions it also takes years for those jobs to come back if ever.

We went down this road because of Mulroney and his FTA in 1984 and then NAFTA plans by 1988 and then signed into law by 1994 by Chretien. All parties now in the mainstream support these agreements and have never attempted or wanted to resign or renegotiate.

Rebel wants more agreements.

I want less. They are globalists as well.
commented 2016-11-01 13:40:37 -0400
A lot of people on here talk about free trade being bad but at the same time all three parties in parliament want more of it including the Saskatchewan premier and others. Trump wants only a rewriting of NAFTA and others but definitely not TPP and TTIP and others, so the trade agreements by conservatives in Canada and the US seem to be all over the map.

I want an end to free trade in general because these agreements even by Harper were regarded as the Gold Standard, yet the Gold Standard ended with Nixon in 1971 and then the high interest rates went up across the board from 1973 after the oil crisis to around 1993. That was a 20-year stagnation era mixed with ups and downs and why Reagan came into power, which prompted free trade and the start of the exodus of manufacturing. Let us not forget that by 1984 hundreds of factories in Canada and the US started to leave Canada and the US and in Western Europe.

The fact is free trade is too promoted and even by libertarians and classical liberals and even mainstream conservatives, liberals and social democrats.

Negotiation has nothing to do with this but rather how the agreements are interpreted and companies will use that to their advantage.

The Canadian Action party wants an end to all free trade agreements and trade protectionism, defense of the nation, unity and an end to the war on terror.

This is how to end globalism and globalization and Canada did better in the 50’s and 60’s with full employment, the way capitalism did well in that golden era.
commented 2016-11-01 13:11:24 -0400
If your comment Terry, “Treaties today are less about the movement of goods and services and more about the free movement of people.” is what we are going to be dealing with, then there will be a big problem alright.
commented 2016-11-01 13:09:53 -0400
Doesn’t ‘free trade’ mean we can sell them stuff and they can sell us stuff without heavy handed tariffs on either side, (along with some restrictions, meant to protect each countries trading needs and economic atonomy)?
Brian why do you say there is a possibility of trade being shut down( to the states), do you mean if Trump gets in? That makes no sense if that’s what you mean. He wants to renegotiate NAFTA not kill it. Shouldn’t we want to renegotiate it also? As it stands its a crappy deal for everybody. Trump knows he can’t tick off one of his closest trading partners. If he gets in Keystone will get built and that will be a major bonus for us. Having said that, I am a little concerned about the outcome of a Trump/ Trudeau trade deal. It’s clear who will be the better negotiator.
I agree that we need more trading partners, but as you say, ’ the devil is in the details.’
Just what does Chrystia’s comment that they ‘made changes to make it more progressive’ really entail? that is the million dollar question.
commented 2016-11-01 10:17:54 -0400
Lots of concern here about securing Canadian borders. When elected, Trump will take care of the land portion – so we’ll only need attend to our air and sea ports. Much less expensive than building a wall! Treaties today are less about the movement of goods and services and more about the free movement of people. Prepare yourselves for a wave of the migrants who recently arrived in the EU and are now being dispersed to accommodating folks elsewhere such as Canadians. In a couple of years, shortly after JT’s departure, it will be CANEXIT from CETA.
commented 2016-11-01 09:30:35 -0400
I think that free trade is just another way to erase our countries borders. In our own country we are still having problems with inter provincial trade. For example, our communist Rachel has started a beer war that wasn’t necessary at all. All it did was allow the big breweries to increase their profit. If we can’t even have fair trade in our own country, I don’t see where having free trade with the Europe will be anything but a disaster. Anything man-made usually turns out to be a ball and chain for the people.
commented 2016-11-01 09:17:55 -0400
Now I get it , we will be trading our coal and oil for their solar panels and wind mills
commented 2016-11-01 09:12:29 -0400
And definitely not ruled by the UN.
commented 2016-11-01 09:12:00 -0400
Shebal said, “Our Politicians ,especially Justin , appear to believe that Canada should be RULED by the UN .”

Well, I think Canada can have controlled borders, but not open borders and keep our Canadian identity without closing them altogether. Closed off societies throughout history have been a failure, but open borders would be a failure as well.
commented 2016-11-01 07:03:12 -0400
Oh yes, ring the f****** bells. A great F****** victory.
Just what Canada needs: another layer of useless f***** bureaucrats ensuring that our exports comply with the insane regulations dreamed up by the army of EU parasites.
commented 2016-11-01 03:40:31 -0400
Justin loves to obey his UN Masters . He won’t make a move without their OK. Did the UN tell you to bring in a few Yazidis ? Are you going to send private planes -to prove your benevolence— ?
commented 2016-11-01 03:34:12 -0400
I really do love to be told what to DO by some brown assed Monkee that lives across the Ocean.
commented 2016-11-01 03:24:39 -0400
How do you figure that Harper is dismissed on sites like this ? For me—Harper was the Best PM that the CBC ever had the pleasure of attempting to destroy. The good thing about Harper is that he cared about Canada and wasn’t sucked in by the UN or EU. Harper was NEVER a sucker—- like Justin.
commented 2016-11-01 02:32:40 -0400
Stephen Harper is often dismissed on sites like these as the guy who failed conservatism.

But he served his country well in so many ways, and did hard work.

Much of the credit for the Canada-Europe free trade deal belongs to Harper and huis ministers.
commented 2016-11-01 01:51:50 -0400
Trade of goods is a good thing if its fairly negotiated. We don’t need to close our borders, we need to ‘secure’ our borders and be more discerning of who we let in and how many. If this deal is more than a deal for trade of goods, there is going to be hell to pay.
commented 2016-10-31 23:44:25 -0400
Sooner or later—- if we wish to preserve our Culture ,then we will have to close the Borders. Our Politicians ,especially Justin , appear to believe that Canada should be RULED by the UN . Justin aspires to as one with the EU. Justin is a Traitor.
commented 2016-10-31 23:28:56 -0400
Shebel Raj asked, “Would it be so bad for Canada ? If we said to Hell with Trade deals , closed our borders , took in no more Immigrants that hate us, and made the welfare bums get a job. I think this is a good plan for a Canadian Trump in the next election.”

Some of that, yes, it would be bad for Canada.

trade is good.
taking in no more immigrants that hate us is good.
making the welfare bums get a job is good.
closing our borders. Not so much.

But that is just my opinion.
commented 2016-10-31 22:59:26 -0400
Lloyd Nolan—-said, “will we have to take a great number of their migrants?” Lloyd, that’s what I’m worried about. I keep thinking of the Junior High School Teacher in France who said last Friday “these refugees are uneducatable.” as he was being chased by a few of them. He then said " the Gov’t and Politicians have left us with this problem." (Rebel Story )
commented 2016-10-31 22:17:45 -0400
Would it be so bad for Canada ? If we said to Hell with Trade deals , closed our borders , took in no more Immigrants that hate us, and made the welfare bums get a job. I think this is a good plan for a Canadian Trump in the next election.
commented 2016-10-31 21:59:33 -0400
As Kevin pointed out, the details haven’t been made public. Is it a good deal or a crappy deal? Maybe Chrystia gave some kudos to Harper so that in the event Canadians hate the deal the Liberals ‘closed’, they can share the blame with Harper, and possibly rightly so. I hate to be so cynical, but I would like to see the details before I start jumping for joy. We didn’t exactly have a ‘Trump’ doing the negotiating.
commented 2016-10-31 21:48:26 -0400
After Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservative government did all the heavy lifting, just to hear the incompetent and unqualified Chrystia Freeland spew “OK we did it!” during her photo op. was enough to make this grown man puke.
commented 2016-10-31 21:44:39 -0400
That’s what I want to know, how much did we bargain away for a " progressive " deal - was it part of our sovereignty, or will we have to take a great number of their migrants or what
commented 2016-10-31 21:34:25 -0400
I wonder if open borders is part of the “progressive” changes. If so, we are finished.
commented 2016-10-31 21:16:39 -0400
As long as we aren’t shipping jobs off shore, or killing existing industry here with cheap imports, it’s OK == Just don’t even get near the TPP as if it was poison for Canadian industry.
commented 2016-10-31 20:08:59 -0400
Christie Freeland acknowledged Harper? I bet she will get hell from Justine “Puff Puff” TrueDope.