April 20, 2016

Canadian firearms expert predicts “massive non-compliance” with new law

Todd BrownRebel Blogger

When it comes to legislation, terminology is everything. Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette introduced Bill S-223 on April 12. This bill proposes to change the categorization of "non-restricted firearm" to "hunting firearm" and "restricted firearm" to "circumscribed firearm."

A "hunting firearm" will now be defined as:

a firearm — other than a prohibited firearm or a circumscribed firearm — that is prescribed to be a hunting firearm and that

(a) has a smoothbore barrel that is more than 470 mm long,

(b) has a striated barrel that is more than 470 mm long and that can discharge 22-calibre rimfire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner, or

(c) is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise;

What this seems to imply, is that you will be able to hunt with ONLY shotguns, smoothbore black powder, and .22 rimfire rifles.

You will not be able hunt or possess any center fire rifles for hunting purposes.

All center fire rifles might then be re-categorized as a "circumscribed firearm."

A "circumscribed firearm" will now be defined as:

(a) a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,

(b) a firearm — other than a prohibited firearm — that has a barrel equal to or less than 470 mm,

(c) a firearm — other than a prohibited firearm — that is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner, or

(d) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise;

This will effectively ban all semi-automatics, as there are also new storage provisions:

17  (1) Subject to subsection (2) and to sections 19 and 20, a prohibited firearm or circumscribed firearm, the holder of the inscription certificate for which is an individual, may be possessed only at a shooting club or a storage facility recorded in the Canadian Firearms Registry.

This means that all firearms, except for "hunting firearms" and 12(6) for a gun collection, will be stored at a central storage facility.

If you want to transport your firearms from the central storage facility, you will have to get someone "approved" to do it for you:

19.‍1 Only a carrier may transport a prohibited firearm or a circumscribed firearm referred to in section 19.

This is only the beginning of trouble for Canadian gun owners, as the regulations that will accompany this bill have yet to be written.

I predict MASSIVE non-compliance for this proposed law.

I call on all law-abiding Canadian gun owners to rise up and help defeat Bill S-223.


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commented 2016-10-08 14:56:34 -0400
All you Fudds, this is going to affect you too. All firearms owners, and all black powder people need to get on board. They try to enact this law we sue the government for billions.
commented 2016-08-20 14:03:08 -0400
If this becomes law. I will have a scheduled daily, or even more frequently if possible, drop at my house for one of my guns at at time. Every single day of my life there will be a separate pick up and drop off until there is simple not enough time in the day for them to continue doing so. Or one of us goes broke. But we know the gov won’t be footing the bill for the armoured car, that’s our dime too.
commented 2016-04-25 10:50:38 -0400
Actually the first semi autos were hunting rifles. Long before the militaries of the world got in the act. If only folks actually knew what the spout off about.
commented 2016-04-25 00:10:32 -0400
“© a firearm — other than a prohibited firearm — that is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,”

Yeah, semiautomatics are never used for hunting. Ever: http://www.basspro.com/Benelli-Super-Black-Eagle-II-Realtree-APG-SemiAuto-Shotgun/product/10218374/

This is just to divide and conquer firearms owners. They will probably make arbitrary exceptions for some of the guns that people complain about in the regulations and ban all the evil looking black rifles. Do not think that once most of the sem-iautos are gone that they won’t come for the bolts, breaks, pumps, levers, .22s and muzzleloaders. Parliament got shot up with a lever action firearm. That kid in Saskatchewan shot up his school with a pump action shotgun. We have to stick together.

Sign the petition and help show we won’t be divided:
commented 2016-04-23 12:25:17 -0400
Soooooo…… No more elk or moose hunting?? And when this chick that proposed this joke says “south” does she mean the States?? Fricken idiotic liberal
commented 2016-04-23 02:09:57 -0400
Have a nice day, Phil.
commented 2016-04-23 01:17:35 -0400
Maurice Potvin ; you are an idiot.
commented 2016-04-22 16:44:36 -0400
phil e, I think it’s your IQ that’s in question. First of all, I’m Metis, so I consider myself aboriginal. Secondly, the whole discussion revolved around a reclassification of firearms were-in center-fire long guns would no longer be classified as “hunting rifles”, but become restricted weapons. The classification system of firearms applies across the board, not just to you white folks. And thirdly, if you would have read my comments fully, I don’t understand how you could have construed them as whining and complaining, I was merely making an observation and suggesting a course of action gun owners may want to follow if this proposed legislation ever becomes law. In fact, if you read my comments on all subjects posted here over the time The Rebel has been up and running, there’s no way you could conclude that I’m a whiner or complainer. I only make comments when I feel I may have something to add to the conversation. You obviously didn’t pick up on that, so again, it seems that it’s your reading comprehension skills that are in question. And I’m finished wasting time on you.
commented 2016-04-22 12:00:02 -0400
Maurice Potvin, first of all I never called you young which goes to prove you do not have very good reading comprehension skills. Secondly, the fact that you are “pushing 70” and still believe that the aboriginals will lose their subsistence hunting along with everyone else simply shows that you are still stupid after all these years.

Now , let’s see, how did you put it…… you can kiss MY ass! There’s a reply that will fit your IQ.
commented 2016-04-21 18:10:57 -0400
Don’t waste your money and time on prepping your guns for long term storage. Buy ammo, practice regularly, and keep them in lubricated, ready to shoot condition. If you think the time has come that you need to bury them, it’s too late, and the time has come to put them to good use instead.
commented 2016-04-21 17:52:13 -0400
Join a pro gun organization and start a legal fund – unwarranted garbage laws that punish innocent people unnecessarily will never pass a court challenge – seek injunctions and protest interventions and when the whole mess grinds to a stand still sue the pricks for loss of property/property value.

In the mean time prep your guns for long term storage, if this passes, the government and police have declared war on the public.
commented 2016-04-21 14:18:07 -0400
ask yourself ,“why now?”. when whitey got off the boat here, he brought his guns with him.
methinks a bigger plan to screw us is in the works…
commented 2016-04-21 13:23:06 -0400
phil e, thanks for calling me young. (I’m pushing 70). As for the rest of your comments directed at me, you can kiss my ass.
commented 2016-04-21 12:03:24 -0400
Would also, love to see Dustbin Justin’s face removed from the header of the Reble. I am sick of seeing the smug arse’s face. I might be able to stand seeing it if it was a cartoon drawing of him (imagine the but end of a horse).
commented 2016-04-21 11:59:53 -0400
So when can we form a million person march on Ottawa to demand the removal of Dustbin Justin and his gang of incompetents?
We could arm ourselves with logic and cunning if we have any leaders with balls and intelligence.
It surely would not be too hard to outwit people like McCallum or that old douche bag senator.
We could also bring firearms to the demonstration and maybe show our politicians that Canucks aren’t afraid to raise a little hell. After all, the only people that beat the Yanks were a bunch of Canucks who razed the White House a couple of hundred years ago.
commented 2016-04-21 10:41:29 -0400
According to Lorne Gunther of the Edmonton Sun, the miserable sow, Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette, is to retire on Friday at seventy-five after a lifetime of sucking at the public teat. A true parasite. Sez Mr. Gunther: “Let’s hope when the good senator packs up her office this week, she packs up this dangerous bill along with her paperweight and letter opener.”
Further, he says "For one thing, it’s more than 70 pages long and appears to be the work of several, professional lawyers and legislation drafters. Tony Bernardo, executive director of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association, says S-223 looks as if “it took a number of Department of Justice lawyers a few months of work to create.”
“If Justice lawyers did help in the bill’s creation, that would indication S-223 is a stalking horse – a false front the Trudeau government is hiding behind to gauge reaction and see whether they could get away with new gun controls”
Personally, I’ll never forgive the pro-dope urban groupies and the MSM for helping to elevate the rotten S.O.B., Junior, to Canada’s Premiership. F***ing idiots…
commented 2016-04-21 10:10:34 -0400
Liberals will just never stop! Their gun registry was thrown out and now we have this. I am not a gun owner but I will march with those who are.
commented 2016-04-21 09:46:31 -0400
Right wing representation federally has become impotent. I aggree that the only way for gun owners now is total, massive disobedience. Fund a legal battle to fight this prelude to outright confiscation. Contact the conservative party and tell them that if they aren’t Screaming everyday about abolishing this bill. You’ll simply not vote for them. Stand up my fellow Canadians. Stand up!
commented 2016-04-21 09:39:42 -0400
Jamie Macmaster posted one hour ago.

Excellent comment. Right on the money. I sure hope you are a senior citizen like I am, that way you won’t have to watch the weak kneed citizens of Canada and their Justin Trudeau Liberal masters too long as they tear Canada to pieces. All that conservative people do today is whine and moan on these web sites. The libertarians, however, form Occupy Wall Street, Idle No More, Black Lives Matter, etc. and break the law daily with impunity. I have yet to see any conservative ‘activist’ group.

The Sean Penson’s of the world think they are winning, but are too stupid to understand how they are supporting the very system that will lead to their own demise. Much like a smoker enjoys his/her cigarettes until they are diagnosed with terminal lung cancer.
commented 2016-04-21 09:26:45 -0400
the liberals have even said they won’t vote for it. it hasn’t even made it past the first reading yet and is so ridicules that it won’t make it anywhere.
commented 2016-04-21 08:21:52 -0400
The Liberals are being smart about this one. First of all, the bill is introduced as a private member’s bill – so the Party can distance itself from it in the (very unlikely) event that public reaction to it would require dropping it.

The bill is designed to be ridiculously all-encompassing for good reasons. The “firearms community” is expected to howl a bit, and the bill will be modified so that, let’s say, only semi-auto hunting rifles, not semi-auto shotguns will be prohibited…at least at this time. So the Liberals will say that they listened to the concerns of the firearms community and everyone will say, “Oh well, at least they’re not touching my goose gun”.

But, and this is the kicker, THE MODIFIED LEGISLATION WILL BECOME LAW, and semi-auto shotguns and all sorts of other firearms will be added to the prohibition lists as the years pass.

The one thing that would stop it – massive, sustained, escalating protest – isn’t going to happen. The firearms and hunting organizations don’t have the balls or stomach for that kind of fight, and gun-owners won’t take it upon themselves to do anything except piss and moan on blogs and in the pubs and coffee shops.
commented 2016-04-21 06:22:45 -0400
The firearms of law abiding Canadians are already “off the streets”. Junior should concentrate on the real criminals instead of creating new “paper” criminals.
commented 2016-04-21 05:57:50 -0400
This is an outrage. Law abiding firearms owners have done nothing to deserve this.
commented 2016-04-21 04:29:59 -0400
I’ve been teaching people about how to use 8 inch PVC for gardening purposes. Easy lessons are on YouTube
commented 2016-04-21 04:27:21 -0400
sean penson

After we win the upcoming civil war, we will seek out and sentence traitors. I’d be careful about crying out “Death!” because you may be up next. Depends on what the Judge says
commented 2016-04-21 03:03:40 -0400
The death penalty should be the punishment for those who disobey gun control laws on Canada. That, and their property should be redistributed to the poor!
commented 2016-04-21 00:57:24 -0400
John Albertan: YES!!! Period. End of. You wouldn’t even get halfway up my drive, my dogs would alert to your presence, and I would have you in my sites with finger on the trigger. You see, we use firearms, rifles, not only as a tool for predator control, large ones, but they are always at the ready. You don’t know what you are talking about.
commented 2016-04-21 00:41:28 -0400
Maurice Potvin posted 5 hours ago that ‘even aboriginals will be effected and no subsistence hunting will be allowed’.

WRONG , Maurice, like the rest of the people out there who whine here daily you just don’t get it. The Aboriginals will be given EXEMPTIONS to the new firearms laws. You people always miss the big picture. Get it straight! Working , taxpaying , non-aboriginals are the ones getting hosed here to pay for all the rest ! Aboriginals always get exemptions to everything !

The Trudeau government has divided Canada into several sub-cultural groups by ethnicity and gender. Special interest ethnic groups get everything and the LGBTQ crowd gets everything. The rest of us pay for it and when we ask for something back we are told we have WHITE PRIVILEGE ! Get it now, Maurice ?

But you guys just keep whining here while the nation is torn apart right in front of you. I’ve done my share of politically fighting against the Liberals over the last 50 years. It’s up to you younger people to do something substantial to save your nation. If all you do is sit here and whine everyday then you will get the nation you deserve.

Get used to looking up from the bottom of the barrel, whiners !
commented 2016-04-21 00:15:44 -0400
Why do the pea-brained who know nothing about guns feel the urge to legislate them? As always the left refuse to learn from their mistakes, they refuse to learn from history, they refuse to learn from facts and they refuse exercise discernment. They legislate on the basis of emotions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7vNj2sb_00