Derek and Francis Baars served as foster parents for two little girls, aged three and four, all happily living in their Hamilton, Ontario home in 2015, until Children’s Aid Society bureaucrats came calling.
Devout Christians, the Baars didn’t want to lie to the girls by telling them that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus are real.
CAS argued these were essential parts of Canadian culture, and by denying the existence of Santa Claus, they risked destroying the “magic” of Christmas.
The Baars, now living in Calgary, were devastated to have the girls taken away, and fear they may now be on a foster parent blacklist.
They’ve since taken Hamilton CAS to Superior Court, alleging their constitutional rights to freedom of religion and expression were violated. The judge has reserved his decision for now, but doesn’t this open up a large can of worms?
Does CAS monitor other religious folk to ensure they’re maintaining the magic of certain holidays?
I doubt it, but if I was working for CAS, I’d be visiting Joshua Boyle and Caitlin Coleman. Those kids were put in harm’s way at the moment of conception.
Again, no one is obligated to debate a bigot, I don’t really care about your rephrasing after I had to point out the obvious bias in your posts.
You responded by (vague accusations about my motives).
Since you’re so uppity about semantics, I’ll point out that your “dismissal” is just a different way of saying “deflection”.
Your words, your ideology…no one is obligated to debate a bigot who decides to rephrase when it suits them.
Not very good at accepting dismissals are you?!
Not that I expected anything different.
Troll, you said “teaching” for muslims, and “indoctrinators” for Christians….piss off! "
That’s a convenient deflection, isn’t it?
But, fine. Let’s rephrase it. Do you hold comparable support for Christian fosters teaching secular children about Christmas ,as you would for Muslim fosters teaching secular children about Eid?
“Peter Netterville Netterville commented 2018-01-16 08:10:08 -0500
Andrew said, “The indoctrinators [Christians] aren’t any better than the druggies.”
Tammie said to Andrew, “As for the troll’s comments, I don’t recall hearing these foster parents were “indoctrinating” anyone.”
Tammie, to a troll like Andrew (and others that post here) any Christian parents that teach their values is considered by these fools as indoctrination because they do not agree with the Christian message, but non-Christians teaching that Santa and the Easter bunny are real is okay … and that there is a gay gene … and that there are any number of genders … on and on the perversion goes.
What a twisted mind these trolls have. "
That’s a strawman – you’re assuming I would make such an argument, and then deciding I must have a twisted mind based entirely on that projection/assumption.
No, I would teach no such things. I would tell the kid to be whatever they want to be, and not try to use pseudoscience to rationalize it. The Easter Bunny is just as pointless as the religious connotations, and you’re right, there is no “gay gene” or “straight gene” but that does not make it an invalid life choice.
Tammie said to Andrew, “As for the troll’s comments, I don’t recall hearing these foster parents were “indoctrinating” anyone.”
Tammie, to a troll like Andrew (and others that post here) any Christian parents that teach their values is considered by these fools as indoctrination because they do not agree with the Christian message, but non-Christians teaching that Santa and the Easter bunny are real is okay … and that there is a gay gene … and that there are any number of genders … on and on the perversion goes.
What a twisted mind these trolls have.
Now go hide from the truth and groom kids like a good leftie.
Liza, well said.
As for the troll’s comments, I don’t recall hearing these foster parents were “indoctrinating” anyone. "
Would you be so dismissive were they Muslims teaching the foster kids about Eid?
The Ontario CAS has been doing that for years, BILLY HOWARD. They have yanked kids from Mennonite homes where parents have merely voiced the opinion that it is their right to spank their children. This should send a further chill down their backs, because Mennonite families – who raise wonderful kids – do not subscribe to Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny either.
Like the OSPCA, the upper echelons of the Ontario CAS has no shortage of power-hungry, miserable fanatics who justify their existence by picking on the weak and easy – while studiously avoiding action in cases that have the potential to be politically explosive.
The Ontario CAS has been doing that for years, BILLY HOWARD. They have yanked kids from Mennonite homes where parents have merely voiced the opinion that it is their right to spank their children. This should send a further chill down their backs, because Mennonite families – who raise wonderful kids – do not subscribe to Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny either.
Like the OSPCA, the upper echelons of the Ontario CAS has no shortage of power-hungry, miserable fanatics who justify their existence by picking on the weak and easy while studiously avoiding the
As for the troll’s comments, I don’t recall hearing these foster parents were “indoctrinating” anyone.
CAS and other agencies across Canada tasked with protecting children have failed countless times when it comes to kin placements…a proper & thorough home study and criminal reference check would have revealed the children would be exposed to addiction; abuse and neglect. There have been cases where kin placement has ended with a child fatality.
Having said that, teaching the true meaning of Christmas as the birth of Christ instead of Santa Clause is every parent’s right. CAS never could discern a real problem from an academic one.
Now what is the government trying to bring in the back door? Kinda sounds like more prep. work. Paving the way for more totalitarian tomfoolery.
This is beyond delusional and insane…like much of the left today.
I wish I could just sit back with my feet up, have a cold beer and watch our inevitable and onrushing demise with the same aloof serenity I would have…watching a good movie.
God help us.
If you truly cared for your child and had to have someone else raise that child – would you rather a good Christian family with community values – or a house full of islamics, or a house that has a couple of drug users in it? "
None of the above? The indoctrinators aren’t any better than the druggies.
• Jews and Gays are not vermin and should NOT be killed
• Little girls should NOT be abused and mutilated by FGM
• You should NOT denigrate and segregate people because of their race or religion
• In gender equality
Or was this primarily an anti-Christian thing?