January 15, 2018

Children's Aid opens “can of worms” by yanking kids away from Christian foster parents

David MenziesMission Specialist

 

Derek and Francis Baars served as foster parents for two little girls, aged three and four, all happily living in their Hamilton, Ontario home in 2015, until Children’s Aid Society bureaucrats came calling.

Devout Christians, the Baars didn’t want to lie to the girls by telling them that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus are real.

CAS argued these were essential parts of Canadian culture, and by denying the existence of Santa Claus, they risked destroying the “magic” of Christmas.

The Baars, now living in Calgary, were devastated to have the girls taken away, and fear they may now be on a foster parent blacklist.

They’ve since taken Hamilton CAS to Superior Court, alleging their constitutional rights to freedom of religion and expression were violated. The judge has reserved his decision for now, but doesn’t this open up a large can of worms?

Does CAS monitor other religious folk to ensure they’re maintaining the magic of certain holidays?

I doubt it, but if I was working for CAS, I’d be visiting Joshua Boyle and Caitlin Coleman. Those kids were put in harm’s way at the moment of conception.

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commented 2018-01-18 13:58:34 -0500
Sorry, but, dismissal is not a synonym for deflection.

Again, no one is obligated to debate a bigot, I don’t really care about your rephrasing after I had to point out the obvious bias in your posts.
commented 2018-01-17 20:29:08 -0500
I re-stated the question using the same terminology for both conditions.

You responded by (vague accusations about my motives).

Since you’re so uppity about semantics, I’ll point out that your “dismissal” is just a different way of saying “deflection”.
commented 2018-01-17 11:50:29 -0500
Says you troll!
Your words, your ideology…no one is obligated to debate a bigot who decides to rephrase when it suits them.
Not very good at accepting dismissals are you?!
commented 2018-01-17 10:21:39 -0500
Yeah, that’s still a deflection.

Not that I expected anything different.
commented 2018-01-16 22:29:18 -0500
Troll, you chose the words & those words say a lot about you, I still think you should piss off.
commented 2018-01-16 21:04:35 -0500
Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt Putinski-Zandbelt commented 2018-01-15 20:54:30 -0500
Troll, you said “teaching” for muslims, and “indoctrinators” for Christians….piss off! "

That’s a convenient deflection, isn’t it?

But, fine. Let’s rephrase it. Do you hold comparable support for Christian fosters teaching secular children about Christmas ,as you would for Muslim fosters teaching secular children about Eid?

“Peter Netterville Netterville commented 2018-01-16 08:10:08 -0500
Andrew said, “The indoctrinators [Christians] aren’t any better than the druggies.”

Tammie said to Andrew, “As for the troll’s comments, I don’t recall hearing these foster parents were “indoctrinating” anyone.”

Tammie, to a troll like Andrew (and others that post here) any Christian parents that teach their values is considered by these fools as indoctrination because they do not agree with the Christian message, but non-Christians teaching that Santa and the Easter bunny are real is okay … and that there is a gay gene … and that there are any number of genders … on and on the perversion goes.

What a twisted mind these trolls have. "

That’s a strawman – you’re assuming I would make such an argument, and then deciding I must have a twisted mind based entirely on that projection/assumption.

No, I would teach no such things. I would tell the kid to be whatever they want to be, and not try to use pseudoscience to rationalize it. The Easter Bunny is just as pointless as the religious connotations, and you’re right, there is no “gay gene” or “straight gene” but that does not make it an invalid life choice.
commented 2018-01-16 15:30:26 -0500
Peter Netterville, Marxists have little to contribute to society and culture.
commented 2018-01-16 14:52:17 -0500
Canadian law only applies to CANADIANS .
commented 2018-01-16 08:10:08 -0500
Andrew said, “The indoctrinators [Christians] aren’t any better than the druggies.”

Tammie said to Andrew, “As for the troll’s comments, I don’t recall hearing these foster parents were “indoctrinating” anyone.”

Tammie, to a troll like Andrew (and others that post here) any Christian parents that teach their values is considered by these fools as indoctrination because they do not agree with the Christian message, but non-Christians teaching that Santa and the Easter bunny are real is okay … and that there is a gay gene … and that there are any number of genders … on and on the perversion goes.

What a twisted mind these trolls have.
commented 2018-01-15 21:31:52 -0500
- Wow, a government agency actually using the ‘C’ word (Christmas). I thought that word was banned by government officials. You can bet that this couples’ Christian beliefs are what triggered the CAS. As far as Joshua Boyle is concerned, he’s a danger to himself & others & shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near children.
commented 2018-01-15 21:04:14 -0500
Andrew enjoy your left wing enabled future caliphate. Get your burka ready, and be prepared for HRC charges and jail for daring to defend gay rights.
commented 2018-01-15 21:02:28 -0500
Andrew you know damn well the government would only prevent one of those scenarios. And i would also be upset if a Christian parent pushed their religion on a foster child , i have integrity unlike you and the left.
commented 2018-01-15 21:00:58 -0500
Andrew i think you are mistaking them with those parents who are convincing their kid he is a girl and having him dance around. That is indoctrination , same with left wing marxism that is going on in schools.
Now go hide from the truth and groom kids like a good leftie.
commented 2018-01-15 20:54:30 -0500
Troll, you said “teaching” for muslims, and “indoctrinators” for Christians….piss off!
commented 2018-01-15 20:25:31 -0500
Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 2018-01-15 15:00:49 -0500
Liza, well said.

As for the troll’s comments, I don’t recall hearing these foster parents were “indoctrinating” anyone. "

Would you be so dismissive were they Muslims teaching the foster kids about Eid?
commented 2018-01-15 19:43:43 -0500
Haven’t you heard? Christianity is the new Paganism.
commented 2018-01-15 18:49:19 -0500
God help these poor kids! They will be coming for the children of Christian parents next.
commented 2018-01-15 17:25:53 -0500
In the case of the Boyle’s, I think CAS was/is involved to determine whether the children were in need of protection given the circumstances. I suspect investigators managed to speak with Caitlan Coleman without her husband’s interference. I also suspect she disclosed exactly what the children have been exposed to. My sense is, Caitlan was given a choice of reporting the abuse to police or risk losing her children.
commented 2018-01-15 16:56:24 -0500
Just for the record, Andrew Stephenson’s comments are completely irrelevant…. as is Andrew Stephenson. I’m glad to see the rest of the commentators are by-and-large ignoring her/him. I suppose I probably should have too. Sorry… Next time for sure.
commented 2018-01-15 16:37:30 -0500
CAS/gov’t will now have the right to pull children from homes …”

The Ontario CAS has been doing that for years, BILLY HOWARD. They have yanked kids from Mennonite homes where parents have merely voiced the opinion that it is their right to spank their children. This should send a further chill down their backs, because Mennonite families – who raise wonderful kids – do not subscribe to Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny either.

Like the OSPCA, the upper echelons of the Ontario CAS has no shortage of power-hungry, miserable fanatics who justify their existence by picking on the weak and easy – while studiously avoiding action in cases that have the potential to be politically explosive.
commented 2018-01-15 16:35:49 -0500
CAS/gov’t will now have the right to pull children from homes …”

The Ontario CAS has been doing that for years, BILLY HOWARD. They have yanked kids from Mennonite homes where parents have merely voiced the opinion that it is their right to spank their children. This should send a further chill down their backs, because Mennonite families – who raise wonderful kids – do not subscribe to Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny either.

Like the OSPCA, the upper echelons of the Ontario CAS has no shortage of power-hungry, miserable fanatics who justify their existence by picking on the weak and easy while studiously avoiding the
commented 2018-01-15 15:17:55 -0500
Believing that the Easter bunny and Santa Clause are real falls into the same category as Islam is a religion of peace.
commented 2018-01-15 15:15:29 -0500
Dave, with respect to you can’t make this stuff up, you have so much material these days to apply your humorous narratives to.
commented 2018-01-15 15:00:49 -0500
Liza, well said.

As for the troll’s comments, I don’t recall hearing these foster parents were “indoctrinating” anyone.

CAS and other agencies across Canada tasked with protecting children have failed countless times when it comes to kin placements…a proper & thorough home study and criminal reference check would have revealed the children would be exposed to addiction; abuse and neglect. There have been cases where kin placement has ended with a child fatality.
commented 2018-01-15 14:45:56 -0500
Everybody knows the Easter bunny and Santa Clause are real. It is a part of Canadian tradition to use their existence as a reason to celebrate the innocence of childhood.

Having said that, teaching the true meaning of Christmas as the birth of Christ instead of Santa Clause is every parent’s right. CAS never could discern a real problem from an academic one.

Now what is the government trying to bring in the back door? Kinda sounds like more prep. work. Paving the way for more totalitarian tomfoolery.
commented 2018-01-15 14:16:42 -0500
These ‘people’ at the CAS are demons! Or possessed of demons. They are acting demonic!
This is beyond delusional and insane…like much of the left today.
I wish I could just sit back with my feet up, have a cold beer and watch our inevitable and onrushing demise with the same aloof serenity I would have…watching a good movie.
God help us.
commented 2018-01-15 13:57:59 -0500
Bravo Zulu commented 2018-01-15 13:21:43 -0500
If you truly cared for your child and had to have someone else raise that child – would you rather a good Christian family with community values – or a house full of islamics, or a house that has a couple of drug users in it? "

None of the above? The indoctrinators aren’t any better than the druggies.
commented 2018-01-15 13:56:39 -0500
On the other hand, this foster couple was teaching these little kids something contrary to “an essential part of Canadian culture”, according to CAS. That’s great! This sets a precedent then. CAS/gov’t will now have the right to pull children from homes that deny them an upbringing that includes essential parts of Canadian culture, like for instance, our culture believes…
• Jews and Gays are not vermin and should NOT be killed
• Little girls should NOT be abused and mutilated by FGM
• You should NOT denigrate and segregate people because of their race or religion
• In gender equality
Or was this primarily an anti-Christian thing?
commented 2018-01-15 13:31:19 -0500
Obvious answer, CAS wanted these Kids back so they could adopt them out to a Muslim Family. Sex Toys, for the use of.