June 13, 2017

CBC blames ice on climate change

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Commentator
 

This headline from the CBC news is just crazy enough to have been written by one of Environment Minister Catherine McKenna’s 24 member tweet army:

Climate change researchers cancel expedition because of climate change”

It reads like a summoning spell for David Suzuki.

The best part, though, is that the climate change in question wasn’t a boiling ocean or the rising tides Obama promised us he’d stop:

“A team of scientists had to abandon an expedition through Hudson Bay because of hazardous ice conditions off the coast of Newfoundland caused by climate change.”

That’s a neat trick these researchers do, calling everything inconvenient or anything that deviates from room temperature “climate change”.

It reminds me of the Salem witch trials, where denial of being a witch was then proof of being a witch. That’s what passes for science these days.

This adventure cruise of serious researchers could not predict where the ice was going to be, from one day to the next. OK, fine. Nature is unpredictable.

But these are the same people who want to tax me to stop the changes in the weather they predict will definitely happen 50 years from now.

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commented 2017-06-15 10:52:54 -0400
“So which is it? Too much ice (2017) or ice rapidly melting (2011)? Can’t they ever get their stories straight? "

Excess heat is causing the ice cap to break up. The pieces don’t melt immediately and drift around. That’s what is causing problems. So, yes, the problem isn’t as contradictory as you think.

“Andy Neimers commented 10 hours ago
Stay tuned Folks.. Trump has indeed kicked over the global arming scam garbage can and the rats are starting to scurry for cover… "

If anything, Trump’s galvanized the opposition. Most of the rest of the world is calling him out on it, many local politicians such as the governor of California (a state powerful enough to have significant sway of its own)… hell, even Big Oil thinks he’s an idiot. He’s pretty much standing alone on this one, propped up by a bunch of "deplorables’ who really have a poor understanding of what’s going on.

He’s “kicked over the garbage can”, but in the way an 4 year old does when he’s throwing a tantrum. In the process, he got rotting garbage all over the shoes of some very important people.
commented 2017-06-15 03:22:00 -0400
““A team of scientists had to abandon an expedition through Hudson Bay because of hazardous ice conditions off the coast of Newfoundland …””

Suzuki claimed back in 2011 that the ice was rapidly melting and that Santa’s reindeer were in danger of drowning so send money quick.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/30/the-worst-kind-of-ugly-propaganda-david-suzuki-targets-kids-at-christmas-in-the-name-of-climate-chnage/

So which is it? Too much ice (2017) or ice rapidly melting (2011)? Can’t they ever get their stories straight?
commented 2017-06-15 01:03:00 -0400
Stay tuned Folks.. Trump has indeed kicked over the global arming scam garbage can and the rats are starting to scurry for cover… There is much, much ,more to be forthcoming in the coming months… People are going to be furious… And, ahem, the fate of former EPA research grants for this global scam… And maybe even here in Canada??
commented 2017-06-14 23:08:38 -0400
Ever since Trump gutted the US EPA budget, Scientists have been calling open-line talk shows in Washington to cry that they will lose their jobs. That is a big plus for Trump and the US taxpayer.
commented 2017-06-14 21:15:00 -0400
Angeline your kung fu is weak
but so are your reading skills
but your science… Your understanding of science is well.. unconscionable..!!
Now be a good little monkey and run along..
:-)
commented 2017-06-14 20:21:26 -0400
“Leviticus 2013 commented 2 hours ago
So Angela… Now you have been discredited but like every other flake that refuses to learn and expand her knowledge beyond their narrative I will no longer entertain you because you have been weighed, measured and found wanting and that sir is a irrefutable, repeatable scientific experiment.!! "

You didn’t “discredit” anything. You said “snowflake” and declared me wrong.

This is, of course, hardly empirical.
commented 2017-06-14 20:20:37 -0400
“Leviticus 2013 commented 2 hours ago
Number one Angie… You don’t have a sense of humor… LOL
And number two that’s exactly how science works, repeatable experiments leading to absolutely conclusive results. Not withstanding scientific experiments of a physics nature, computer experiments without firm, tangible, hard evidence that can back them up are discounted, so you sir are debunked. "

Not at all. Absolutely conclusive results don’t exist especially in the context you’re describing, which isn’t an experiment, but rather a theory, an attempt to explain many experiments. Each of those sub experiments is replicable – you don’t publish single experiments.

For example, the widely celebrated Higgs Boson discovery? Go actually take a look at that paper. That amounts to a couple small blips on a detector that they couldn’t find any other explanation for. The blips are replicable and irrefutable, but the theory explaining it is not and never can be … it’s just that no alternative model currently exists to explain what they saw. That’s not to say that in the future someone will find a better explanation, but only that such an explanation doesn’t exist today. A theory is a strongly supported hypothesis. Absolutes do not exist outside of mathematics.

Another example … If I spike my bacterial culture wih x amtount of y, then 90% of them will die within 30 minutes. That’s an empirical, replicable experiment. It tells you nothing about the underlying molecular biology, with enough such experiments you can build a theory, but it will never be irrefutable.

Science is not dogma. The moment you become dogmatic, proclaiming irrefutable results, you are no longer a scientist.
commented 2017-06-14 18:38:51 -0400
So Angela… Now you have been discredited but like every other flake that refuses to learn and expand her knowledge beyond their narrative I will no longer entertain you because you have been weighed, measured and found wanting and that sir is a irrefutable, repeatable scientific experiment.!!
commented 2017-06-14 18:36:54 -0400
Number one Angie… You don’t have a sense of humor… LOL
And number two that’s exactly how science works, repeatable experiments leading to absolutely conclusive results. Not withstanding scientific experiments of a physics nature, computer experiments without firm, tangible, hard evidence that can back them up are discounted, so you sir are debunked.
commented 2017-06-14 17:45:59 -0400
Common Sense commented 31 mins ago
Perhaps Andrew you would answer this. Why, when the IPCC published the executive summary (press release) did the scientists who authored the study for the IPCC had to threaten the UN with a lawsuit to have their names removed from the summary because the authors of the summary had twisted their research and findings to suit the UN agenda? And why has the former head of the IPCC joined forces with Lord Moncton to get the world court in the Hague to prosecute and jail anyone who profits from the scam of man-made global warming? Andrew, did you know that the ball of fire 93 million miles from here controls our climate change, has since time began, and it does not accept credit cards or cash to change it’s ways. You do realize our current CO2 levels are lower than ideal, and are the life blood of all life on this planet. I believe the ideal count for the earth’s best health is 400 ppm. One last thing Andrew, you do realize one volcanic eruption, or a fire like the one at Fort McMurray, wipes out all so called gains of 30 years. How will you cap the volcanoes Andrew?

The IPCC is a political group, not a scientific one. Railing against the IPCC … discredits the IPCC, not the science which they so badly mangle.

The radiative temperature of the Earth is only about 255k, -19C. Atmospheric retention (carbon dioxide contributing about a fifth of the total effect) warms it the rest of the way. 400ppm is already in the past, we’re at 410 and climbing a few more every year.

Both the Fort Mac fires and a Mt. St. Helens scale event release a few tens of millions of tonnes of carbon dioxide. The fires released about as much carbon dioxide as Alberta emits in about 2 months, or the decline in annual emissions in just Ontario in the last decade.
commented 2017-06-14 17:39:21 -0400
“Leviticus 2013 commented 2 hours ago
And what scientific evidence are you speaking of..?? Lol
Are you speaking to the irrefutable evidence of physics and mathematics and absolute proof through undeniable and repeatable experiments based on the laws of physics.??
Or just the pictures that NASA offers as evidence.? "

Absolute, irrefutable proof is impossible – that’s not how science works, and anyone that tells you otherwise is selling you snake oil. Science operates on theories that best represent the available evidence … and models including an anthropogenic contribution work a lot better than those that don’t. That’s really all there is to it.
commented 2017-06-14 17:09:05 -0400
Perhaps Andrew you would answer this. Why, when the IPCC published the executive summary (press release) did the scientists who authored the study for the IPCC had to threaten the UN with a lawsuit to have their names removed from the summary because the authors of the summary had twisted their research and findings to suit the UN agenda? And why has the former head of the IPCC joined forces with Lord Moncton to get the world court in the Hague to prosecute and jail anyone who profits from the scam of man-made global warming? Andrew, did you know that the ball of fire 93 million miles from here controls our climate change, has since time began, and it does not accept credit cards or cash to change it’s ways. You do realize our current CO2 levels are lower than ideal, and are the life blood of all life on this planet. I believe the ideal count for the earth’s best health is 400 ppm. One last thing Andrew, you do realize one volcanic eruption, or a fire like the one at Fort McMurray, wipes out all so called gains of 30 years. How will you cap the volcanoes Andrew?
commented 2017-06-14 15:47:12 -0400
And what scientific evidence are you speaking of..?? Lol
Are you speaking to the irrefutable evidence of physics and mathematics and absolute proof through undeniable and repeatable experiments based on the laws of physics.??
Or just the pictures that NASA offers as evidence.?
commented 2017-06-14 15:44:28 -0400
Get over it Andrew… I was just poking a little fun at you..
Just trying to see if you had a sense of humor or not.
But of course the earth is flat… Everybody knows that.!! Lol
commented 2017-06-14 14:47:30 -0400
“Leviticus 2013 commented 1 hour ago
The next thing Angie Stephenson is going to tell us is that the earth is round..
Lol "

That was also something the religious right dogmatically rejected in the past despite all the scientific evidence otherwise.
commented 2017-06-14 13:36:37 -0400
The next thing Angie Stephenson is going to tell us is that the earth is round..
Lol
commented 2017-06-14 12:51:34 -0400
STEPHENSON you’re so full of shit it’s oozing out your foetid maw.
Everything you spew nonsensically is Bull Shit or a lie.
Your presence here is stinking up this site like a recently used shitter.
So why don’t you take your shit and your stink and f**k off, asshole.

My apologies to everyone else for my coarse outburst.
commented 2017-06-14 12:21:30 -0400
“Jim Webb commented 11 hours ago
Poor deflection Andrew. I never said it was in the scientific literature, just that Al and the Acolytes were spreading Chicken Little lies which have not come to pass. What a surprise.
Thanks for confirming that their hysteria was not found in the scientific literature.”

No, the “hysteria” doesn’t originate in the scientific literature, though that also means that the right wing angst against said hysteria is also misplaced.

When you go into the actual literature, there you find, presented in objective terms, substantial evidence of anthropogenic climate change. The opponents, being unable to refute the actual science, instead go and worry the hysteria which as always has only the loosest connection to the science.
commented 2017-06-14 11:11:53 -0400
On the CBC a month or so ago a singer ( I believe it was Chantal Kreviazuk) claimed that climate change had cause her son’s asthma. Quite the direct connection. I’d love to see the literature on that claim. No one even made so much as a snicker at this BS.
commented 2017-06-14 10:24:05 -0400
It was suppose to rain here today but now it’s not. Climate change.
commented 2017-06-14 09:33:53 -0400
Andy Niemers, great post!
CBC and Andrew Stephenson will claim there is a link between lactose intolerance and climate change.
commented 2017-06-14 04:09:23 -0400
Gee Andrew with all the climate alarmists not able to watch the sea ice melt because of all the sea ice looks like man made global warming changed the climate and made the climate colder. Problem solved!
commented 2017-06-14 01:08:38 -0400
To quote the sage Andrew Stephenson: – “I suppose the “dopes” haven’t figured out your route from Quebec City to Hudson Bay that doesn’t pass Newfoundland? rolls eyes..” No Bunkey, in case you haven’t looked at a map of Eastern Canada lately, the route from Quebec City would burn thousands of tons of needless Bunker C if you “went around Newfoundland”… The actual route hugs the North Shore past Sept-Isles, crossing the LABRADOR border at Blanc-Sablon, then heading north at Mary’s Harbour, then Batteau, Nain, and Hebron… By the way, the outflow of the St. Lawrence keeps major ice to the north-east side of NEWFOUNDLAND, hence the annual tourist visits at places like Twillingate, to watch the icebergs drift by on their way south… (rolls eyes…)
commented 2017-06-14 00:52:35 -0400
Poor deflection Andrew. I never said it was in the scientific literature, just that Al and the Acolytes were spreading Chicken Little lies which have not come to pass. What a surprise.
Thanks for confirming that their hysteria was not found in the scientific literature.
commented 2017-06-14 00:51:56 -0400
We are freezing in Quebec this spring, in fact there was no spring. So I guess it was climate change.
commented 2017-06-14 00:38:10 -0400
“Jim Webb commented 5 mins ago
But didn’t Al and the rest of his Gorons predict that the Arctic ice would be gone by 2013 or 2014? Talk about your inconvenient truths. "

Some may have claimed it, but it was never in the scientific literature.
commented 2017-06-14 00:33:14 -0400
But didn’t Al and the rest of his Gorons predict that the Arctic ice would be gone by 2013 or 2014? Talk about your inconvenient truths.
commented 2017-06-14 00:14:47 -0400
All this ice is causing the oceans to warm
commented 2017-06-13 23:35:16 -0400
SHEILA , good one
Love it when you repeat the jokes of the climate science comedians — they’re so funny
commented 2017-06-13 22:14:55 -0400
“Daryl Herman commented 2 hours ago
Well, one thing Newfoundland is one hell of a long way from Hudsons Bay!!
Are these dopes even on the right path!”

I suppose the “dopes” haven’t figured out your route from Quebec City to Hudson Bay that doesn’t pass Newfoundland? rolls eyes