January 20, 2016

Christian farmer fined $13,000 for refusing to host gay wedding says this government overreach should scare everyone

StaffRebel Columnist

Cynthia Gifford and her husband Robert own Liberty Ridge Farm were fined $13,000 for refusing to host a gay wedding.

The couple appeared on the Church Boys podcast to discuss their situation and the fine they received from New York State's Division of Human Rights.

“A government that tells you what you can’t say is bad enough. A government that tells you what you must say and punishes you if you don’t is frightening,” she said. “This kind of power should scare all of us no matter where we stand on the issue.”

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She explained how in 2012 a woman had inquired about the farm hosting a same-sex wedding and how she politely explained it wasn't going to happen.

“We welcome all people to the farm and gladly respect and serve all for a variety of events, but because wedding ceremonies are inherently religious, a sacred event, Robert, my husband, and I, as Christians, cannot coordinate the same-sex wedding ceremony. This would violate our faith and conscience,” Cynthia told the podcast.

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She then learned shortly after that she was being sued by the couple (Jennifer McCarthy and Melisa Erwin from New Jersey) and were fined $10,000 plus $3000 in damages for violating anti-discrimination regulations under New York’s Human Rights Law.

“We had the ultimatum of: ‘Host all weddings and go against our beliefs or don’t host any wedding ceremonies... we chose the latter,” Cynthia told The Church Boys.

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This isn't the first time that Christians who have been victimized by Human Rights divisions have appeared on the Church Boys podcast.

Aaron and Melissa Klein, the Christian couple who were ordered to pay $135,000 to a lesbian couple after refusing to make them a gay wedding cake echoed the views of the Giffords.

“A government that can tell you what you have to do and what you have to say is pretty darn scary, and when they come at you and try to take everything you have because of it, well, I mean, that’s almost horrific. We are the average American family trying to live out the American dream and honor God in our life, and so, that’s why we’re in the situation we’re in ,” Aaron Klein said back in April of 2015.

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commented 2016-01-21 19:01:18 -0500
Please quote the historical source for marriage being a secular humanist institution?
Evolutionists have cavemen beating women over the head and dragging them off to rape but I have yet to see any marriage in their history? (if you believe in cave men)
Gay is not a “RIGHT” – food, clothing, shelter, education etc… are rights.(but not the governments to decide what, if, when, where and how) Now that gays have opened pandoras box we have Notley putting men in schoolgirls washrooms and change rooms.
Gays should have to accept Christian demands if we are to accept theirs. Please stop being Gay, God calls it a sin and will punish our society for allowing it!
Christians gave you your freedom to be gay in western democracy and this is what you do with it??
I feel a big backlash coming!!
commented 2016-01-21 18:16:14 -0500
I’m not scared just angry that this idiocy is even allowed to happen. This farm couple who refused to host a lesbian wedding were set up, the same as all the other homosexual lawsuit BS. The farm couple should refuse to pay this ridiculous fine, counter sue and/or appeal for their rights as business people and landowners being trampled on and to uphold their own beliefs in whatever way they see fit. The lesbians are showing bigotry against this farm couple for being Christian. The a holes could have went to a homo friendly establishment. They are obviously out just to make money. It’s totally insane.
commented 2016-01-21 18:07:30 -0500
The christians are not victims. It is the lesbian couple that were victims of christians throwing their weight around.

I am pretty sure christians would not appreciate getting denied service, if they went somewhere that was of a different religion, and got denied service over religious differences.

Those two farmers are a pair of assholes, and I am glad they got fined.
commented 2016-01-21 13:47:59 -0500
It’s okay Michael, we understand that you have a terrible mental disorder that causes you to act out in such a despicable and insanely driven way in vomiting out your ugly hatefulness and delusion upon the world, while seeking negative attention. I have to assume it was because you were molested by a homosexual pedophile when you were younger – which is one of the main drivers in the creation of people who choose homosexuality – and are now trying desperately to understand your unnatural and unwanted attraction to the same sex, by overcompensating with your excessive hatefulness and delusion. Self loathing is like stress – it kills.
Most of us normal people have compassion and empathy, along with the pity we truly feel for self-hating and self destructive wretches like you – who regularly show the world how much pain you are in – as we also feel for the degenerate homosexual pedophile who committed his heinous act against a young and impressionable boy named Michael, or whatever your name is that you are too ashamed to use – which is the main dynamic of the cyclical nature of sexual abuse. I know that for a fact, having worked with sexually and physically abused children and their abusers, who were mostly family members or close friends of the family.
Rest assured Michael, God loves you in spite of your nasty and immature condemnation of Him. All you have to do is ask for forgiveness and repent of your sins…your pain and self loathing will go away and you can again join the brotherhood of man under the love and protection of the One who created you in His image, God, our Father. I really can’t imagine the pure Hell it must be to have to live inside of your skin with your shrivelled heart, damaged mind and troubled soul. Let go of your pain and guilt, reach out to God, free yourself of those chains of sickness and corruption – you owe it to yourself…
commented 2016-01-21 09:53:13 -0500
Michael Mann,

Marriage is not a human right. Marriage was founded on the principle of procreation and providing a stable environment for the upbringing of a child. Simply put: for religious people, marriage has been defined by God; for evolutionists, marriage has been evolved (culturally) that creates the best possible chances of survival for their offspring. If you think marriage is only about love and unicorns, I think you should reconsider your idea about it.

Your comparison between gay couples and black couples therefore doesn’t make any sense because although there are similarities, there are also fundamental differences*, such as the fact gays can’t procreate in a natural way and because the upbringing of a child is different than with straight couples. About that last point: a child doesn’t need only love, it also needs guidance. It needs both the unconditional love of the mother and the discipline of a strong father. Gays can’t provide this. I won’t go deeper into the fact that gays tend to be more unfaithful than straight people (look at the numbers), which also doesn’t provide a stable environment for a child.

And by the way, marriage was there long before anyone mentioned gay ‘rights’ or before our current society came into existence. It used to be case that gays just wanted to be left alone. Now it appears that straights want to be left alone.

And finally: if I understand your reasoning correctly, gay conservatives who oppose gay marriage hate themselves? Strange, very strange.

*Comparing gay couples with black couples is like comparing gays with pedophiles. Although there are similarities such as the fact that pedophiles use the exact same arguments as gays to accept their lifestyle or ‘orientation’, there is also a fundamental difference, namely that gays are consenting adults. This is an argument that is often forgotten by the pedo activists.
commented 2016-01-21 03:07:21 -0500
Michael Mann go live in some secular country , i hear CHina is awesome.
commented 2016-01-21 03:06:36 -0500
Michael Mann , sorry but rights are not just for gays you bigot. Others can refuse whoever they want. Now go join your secular mass murderers , after all you guys are histories champs at killing. LMAO! Human rights include the right to believe as you wish, did you miss that right? The klan was created by the democrats, sorry but not wanting someone to do a job for someone does not mean you hate them you halfwit. Your utter disdain for the rights of others is sickening. Now tell me why gays can wave their dicks around on the street and i can’t? Why do i not have that right as well? MORON!
commented 2016-01-21 00:50:34 -0500

Morals and principles don’t apply when it comes to human rights. As I said before – saying no to a gay couple or denying them service is no different than saying no or denying service to a black couple.

The difference is that we are finally coming around on gay people – like we eventually came around on black people and women. Human rights supersede your religious fairy tales. With your mentality and utter disdain for gay people and their rights , I am quite sure you would have been someone with black slaves – had you been living at that time.
commented 2016-01-21 00:43:19 -0500

I answered your question. You can’t equate one with the other – the groups you referred to are involved in criminal activity and hate crimes. They may already be wanted by the law. They don’t have rights or legal protection per their agenda.
commented 2016-01-21 00:39:16 -0500

It hasn’t be debunked at all and the only people who say that gay people are not born gay – are people who hate gay people and are homophobic. I would be happy to post recent scientific research if you would like though. Let me know.
commented 2016-01-20 23:11:13 -0500
I see a lot of after the fact advise. Here’s mine. Find a lawyer and meet their lawyer in court. You might win but that will depend on their lawyer. I doubt you will even see the couple again except to drop by and pickup the money.
This is similar to another story about gays and a bake shop that refused to bake them a cake. I read the story and knew they were doomed. I went elsewhere for other news as it wasn’t my problem then of now. Now I have 2 stories that are similer and I wonder if the 1st story didn’t give birth to the 2nd?
commented 2016-01-20 20:00:28 -0500
lol, all you Guys have got it wrong. They were a couple of Muslims on the make, Muslims are very good at this and use the judicial system as a source of income.
commented 2016-01-20 17:54:34 -0500
Their only mistake was saying they were Christian. If they’d said they were Muslim, we wouldn’t be reading about it now.
commented 2016-01-20 17:42:26 -0500
People aren’t born gay. This has been debunked time and time again. The first study to say ‘there may be a link’ hand-picked their subjects from a homosexual magazine. Not even close to proper sampling. Every study since (even one using the same methods) showed that there’s a less than chance likelihood of inheritance upon childbirth. There was even a study that showed adopted children were more likely to ‘adopt’ the homosexuality of their new siblings than biological siblings.
commented 2016-01-20 16:58:09 -0500
Coffee break is over. Please answer my question.
commented 2016-01-20 16:53:23 -0500
@ Michael Mann – most people couldn’t care less what gays want to do in their bedroom. But when they use supremacist lawfare tactics to manipulate other human beings, well, if you can’t see anything wrong with that then I would question your sense of morality.
commented 2016-01-20 16:43:51 -0500
How dare that farmer have morals and principles! He should compromise his ethics just as the the left/progressive/socialists do! Oh, what am I saying … the left have no ethics.
commented 2016-01-20 16:25:29 -0500
Do these hate groups who are walking around free have the right to get married or does the owner have the right to refuse this service? That was my original question.
commented 2016-01-20 16:23:38 -0500

Individual human beings born black or gay are different than hate groups – who generally commit hate crimes which are deemed illegal by the law.
commented 2016-01-20 16:05:18 -0500
Michael Mann

So, what if the people who wanted to get married were from groups like Hell’s Angels, Ku Klux Klan, Communists, Black Panthers, Eco Terrorists, etc. Are these groups entitled to this service or does the owner have the option to say no?
commented 2016-01-20 15:45:57 -0500

It’s not wrong at all. It’s bigotry. Gay people are not lesser human beings – it’s who they are as humans like a black person being black.
commented 2016-01-20 15:23:03 -0500
MICHAEL MANN commented 33 mins ago
Saying no to gay people is no different than saying no to black people.

Wrong. Ezra, shut this guy’s account off please. See how this works Michael?
commented 2016-01-20 15:21:06 -0500
Its pretty sad what can be used in the court system to make money.
commented 2016-01-20 15:01:15 -0500
MICHAEL MANN commented 8 mins ago + In Canada you have the right to refuse service for any reason at all. You need just post the signs and refuse service to those that you don’t want. The scary thing here is that the USA is now telling it people what they must do, or they pay the fine. To me, that is one notch up on the slavery pole.
commented 2016-01-20 14:48:35 -0500
Saying no to gay people is no different than saying no to black people.
commented 2016-01-20 14:25:03 -0500
Tired of hearing crap stories like these.

Look farmers, I feel sorry for you, but can’t you agree to the booking and then call back to cancel the date? Or contact the wedding party back and say your business is closed for vacation???

You know how the socialists operate – wake up!!!! Being self righteous got what the socialists want – you angry and a lot poorer.

And the socialists could care less if they take your last dollar after you haven’t eaten in a week. Remember this when the debt crisis hits and they come for your bank account.
commented 2016-01-20 14:20:36 -0500
jeeze… not much over-reach here.
you must now think like us or feel our wrath.
sound familiar?