September 30, 2016

Conservative leadership candidates go for a bare knuckles brawl

Brian LilleyArchive

Remember Ronald Reagan’s 11th commandment about not speaking ill of fellow Republicans? In a Canadian context this would mean Conservatives not speaking ill of one another but the growing field of contenders for the CPC leadership are ignoring this wise advice and going at each other hammer and tong.

Watch as I go through some of the more contentious attacks so far and wonder if it’s only going to get worse as the list of candidates grows in the coming months.

Are these candidates who are going at each other now simply writing future attack ads for their opponents as the Conservatives successfully did with the Liberal leadership candidates back in 2006?

Raising the rhetoric against one another now may seem like a good way to get noticed in a large field of candidates but is it wise for the party and the eventual leadership winner?

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commented 2016-10-06 13:18:53 -0400
``JAY KELLY commented 4 days ago
The Conservative leadership race is shaping up to be a big race. A number of candidates have gone in already. The candidates are all qualified, and talented, and may gain the national interest.

The Conservative Party of Canada is strong and vigorous.``

I really could use whatever your smoking.
commented 2016-10-06 13:16:13 -0400
Bill, I have been saying that need for red Tory as a leader for the conservative party from the get go. We will not win an election without one. And I have little confidence in any of those currently vying for the top job of the conservative party. I do hope someone comes out of the woodwork to properly guide us to victory.
commented 2016-10-03 13:34:44 -0400
If next year’s convention crowns a “Red Tory” (Liberal Lite) I hope we see will see at least one big name Conservative start a western independence movement.
commented 2016-10-03 03:59:54 -0400
I am somewhat of the same opinion as Judy Anonymous… I really don’t care what non-conservatives take away from a genuine clearing of the air among conservative ranks… BUT IT HAS TO HAPPEN!… We are at a nexus… The movement to Western Canadian Separation is palpable and evident, and if any conservative leadership candidate is going to try to “paper over” this Western animosity towards the Laurentian Elites, then the party will split anyway… As for any accommodation or justification of the “carbon tax/climate change” BS – forget it!… Any time a so-called conservative tap dances around this subject they only invoke “Great Shades Of Winny The Poo’s Ontario”…
commented 2016-10-02 13:16:19 -0400
Any leader of the Conservatives will be better than any single MP in the current government.
This government makes even the NDP look intelligent.
commented 2016-10-02 10:48:06 -0400
Andrew, the scenario you painted may be apt, but what choice do we have? Are you saying we should all just line up like sheep and have our human rights slowly taken away?
We may have to, like you say, put up with a Reform-type party again, but I’m hoping this time it’s a truly populist western separatist party. How many times do we have to put up with Trudeaus and Libranos before we finally realize the eastern elites can destroy this country that we love.
I think we’ll have complete Liberal domination regardless because of the new rigged election rules coming down, so western independence is worth a shot.
I don’t want to become what Trudeau/Soros and the globalists want us to become…obedient sheep with few rights and freedoms.
commented 2016-10-02 10:37:24 -0400
“If the Eastern oligarchy forces repress the western populists the CPC will fold. If they are not going to represent the concerns of western Canada, they may as well leave ans form a western block party. "

So… basically, the Reform party, a party which won at most 60 seats (relative to the CPC’s present 99), and which only served to split the vote in Manitoba and east, leading to complete Liberal domination?

Sure, sounds great. Go ahead.
commented 2016-10-02 00:24:04 -0400
How does “auto-correct” decide to stroke out certain lines?

It seems weird to me.
commented 2016-10-02 00:18:58 -0400
The Conservative leadership race is shaping up to be a big race. A number of candidates have gone in already. The candidates are all qualified, and talented, and may gain the national interest.

The Conservative Party of Canada is strong and vigorous.

Face the truth that Trudeau is exceptionally well-liked and may well be in for two terms.

There is a need for a strong and united “right” -not extremist, not mediocre - just a strong party representing a conservative view which is distinct from Trudeau’s “sunny ways”.

If you are Conservative, or conservative leaning, you would do well to participate in the process. Go to your riding association meetings. Write to the local paper about issues which concern you. Look up on the Internet how you can be active in the Conservative leadership race.
commented 2016-10-01 23:47:09 -0400
If a “Liberal-lite” wins the Conservative leadership next year, I hope a populist Conservative will cross the floor and lead a western separatist party along with many of his/her colleagues.
commented 2016-10-01 23:14:50 -0400
The CPC is alienating Western populist libertarianism – moving toward a top down control freak org that will pimp the party out to the Laurentian oligarchy that runs the Liberal patronage brokerage party. It is abandoning big tent populism and Ideological integrity for the same compromised morality and nepotism as the Liberals.

If the Eastern oligarchy forces repress the western populists the CPC will fold. If they are not going to represent the concerns of western Canada, they may as well leave ans form a western block party.
commented 2016-10-01 22:42:31 -0400
Don’t know why the lines show up across some of the dialogue. curious
commented 2016-10-01 22:40:54 -0400
Jay Kelly, you’re not too far off the mark, but….
Hatred? Out! Bigotry? Out! — Hate and Bigotry are the machinations of the Libs/NDP/MSM
Fear of foreigners? Out! — Conservative thinking suggests we take action against terrorism and crime by vetting those who hate us and our western values. Foreigners should enhance our society, not diminish it.
Serious concern about the environment, especially Alberta and B.C. pipelines? In. - Of course Cons are concerned, the argument is the balance between economy and ecology
Rational conversation about climate change and Canada’s role? In. -
The argument is over the definition of “rational”.
Mature discussion of medical issues including drug use? In. — The discussions are ongoing; it’s philosophical differences that are the issue
commented 2016-10-01 22:00:35 -0400
It is true that many in the Conservative Party of Canada think that Trudeau’s Liberals will be in office for at least two terms.

They may be right.

In the meantime there is the opportunity to build up the Conservative Party.

What are the values? What are the hopes?

Hatred? Out! Bigotry? Out! Fear of foreigners? Out!

Serious concern about the environment, especially Alberta and B.C. pipelines? In.

Rational conversation about climate change and Canada’s role? In.

Mature discussion of medical issues including drug use? In.
commented 2016-10-01 13:28:08 -0400
I’m not saying being from Ottawa is a bad thing, just that the “elitist” accusation does have merit.
commented 2016-10-01 13:21:03 -0400
Ron Voss: To be more specific, the climate change targets (the big sham) must be attempted by means besides destroying our economy and lifestyle. The “blame humans” crowd has won the day and Leitch and all the rest need to follow that dogma, for now.
Conservatives can go the Notley/Wynne/Trudeau route and devastate the economy and lifestyle of Canadians through devastating measures like carbon taxes, or they can invest in and export technologies that supplant the homegrown emissions accordingly.
It’s a balancing act and a numbers game. The science is there to present on either side.
Scheer was born and raised in Ottawa, moved to Regina and quickly became its MP, which means he returned to Ottawa to work. He’s never spent any length of time away from Ottawa.
commented 2016-10-01 12:49:05 -0400
BILLY HOWARD, as far as “for Leitch’s Conservative opponents, she will paint them as MSM doting, globalist, carbon-tax loving, and Liberals in disguise – the establishment”, that’s some nice political spin. When interviewed by the New Tecumseh Times and asked "What action will your party take on climate change?:, she responded, “Our Government is committed to reducing Canada’s greenhouse gas emissions by 30%, from 2005 levels, by 2030. This is a fair and ambitious target that is in line with other major industrialized countries and reflects our national circumstances, including Canada’s position as a world leader in clean electricity generation”. Maybe her opponents have justification in painting Leitch if not “carbon tax loving” at least an adherent of the notion of man-made global warming, the supposed motivation for the carbon tax.
As far as Sheer being from Ottawa, he is the MP for Regina-Qu’Appelle.
commented 2016-10-01 11:43:12 -0400
I will vote for the candidate least likely to win against Trudeau. 15 dollars well spent (which is actually only four dollars after the tax credit!)

I find it interesting that the CPC is using ranked balloting to select their leader, yet it seems that most of its members oppose that very method for general elections.
commented 2016-10-01 10:33:23 -0400
Kellie Leitch may just be taking some pointers from the Trump campaign, and why not? Look where it took the Donald.
The strategy is to treat Trudeau like Clinton, and her Conservative opponents as “the establishment”. I think we can all agree that Justin IS Hillary. I mean really, what’s the difference besides gender?
As for Leitch’s Conservative opponents, she will paint them as MSM doting, globalist, carbon-tax loving, and Liberals in disguise – the establishment. The MSM will fall in line just like they did against Trump and lambast her to the point where, hopefully, the public distrust of the media soars in line with her support.
Will Leitch’s strategy pay off? I doubt it. I think Canadians are much more globalist and more inclined to surrender our freedoms and rights, compared to Americans. But there is still hope.
Sheer is from Ottawa. Does that not, in itself, give some credence to the term “elitist”? Even a little?
Conservatives need to make a decision: Globalism or Nationalism. If they choose a globalist leader, Trudeau will certainly win again. I think our only hope of defeating the Libranos is by wrapping ourselves in the flag and hoping for a revolt against the MSM like we’re seeing in the US. But if JT gets away with implementing his new dictatorial election rules, the Conservative party will forever be in opposition. The separation of the western provinces may be the last desperate hope.
Side note: Harper was a good strong leader that refused to see the writing on the wall and step down in favour of some new blood. Without Harper to bash incessantly, I think the Cons could have beat Trudeau. But I digress…
commented 2016-10-01 10:11:33 -0400
Who cares, I just want the west to separate. Even top conservatives are saying that the liberals are likely in for at least 2 more terms . I think it was Lorne Gunther mentioned this in a radio interview a couple of weeks ago. Once the liberals have their new voting blocks established, it will be tough to unseat them.

I agree, Judy A. let them slug it out. Now that some Canadians are waking up to what a globalist shill looks like, this is a good way to expose them. Besides we already know that the rest of the parties in Canada are for globalism, so what’s the harm…..meh.
commented 2016-10-01 09:42:14 -0400
Brian, it is a little over the top to call these early skirmishes “a bare knuckle brawl”! Arguing over ideas, for example, should immigrants be screened for Canadian values?, is fine, but ‘speaking ill’ of another candidate (Reagan’s 11th commandment) is another thing. Thus, Leitch calling Scheer an “out of touch elite” for not being on board with her ideas, I suggest falls into the category of ‘speaking ill’ of someone, essentially name-calling, a technique used by the left. So this early skirmish reveals something about Leitch and her campaign.
commented 2016-10-01 09:22:33 -0400
This sort of in-party fighting is exactly what the left loves! They will make plenty of hay from all of it.

Debates, yes. Attacks, no. They should save their attack ads for the Lieberals, not for each other.
commented 2016-10-01 09:00:48 -0400
Actually I am really glad if they are letting their true ideas fly and using verbal punches…we need to clear the air and find out what they actually believe because I am concerned that we have too many progressives in the group and as a real conservative, I am sick and tired of those who pander to every so-called victim while victimizing the whole nation…I don’t care that the other parties hear this…if they want to weigh in so be it…it is time that conservativism got a thorough airing…We complained when we got a real conservative and I have heard too many of the new hopefuls didn’t like Harper…well let’s see who they really are and if they get railed over the carpet perhaps we will get to the truth about who they really are…the other parties have NOTHING on conservatism……They are nothing but robbers who used other peoples’ money to buy popularity…their policies are immoral and inexcusable…and the Green Party even supports BDS…what more can be said!

Furthermore, our current government is purported to support BDS as well, and seems to consider it worthy of charitable status…we NEED outspoken men and women of character and intelligence to replace Marie Antoinette and her entourage…We need a real fighter, and what better way to discover them than in a verbal war…so be it! Let the rounds begin and may the best one win!
commented 2016-10-01 02:15:09 -0400
Well, whoever becomes the Conservative leader, we all know one thing is for certain. He or she doesn’t have to have intelligence, vision or leadership skills to become the PM of Canada.
commented 2016-10-01 01:48:42 -0400
It does indeed concern you and me and all The Rebel readers.

The Conservative Party of Canada has engaged in a leadership campaign.

We are all interested.
commented 2016-10-01 01:12:59 -0400
Jay you have to be 18 to vote – this doesn’t concern you.
commented 2016-10-01 00:11:54 -0400
No, I do not remember “Ronald Reagan’s 11th commandment about not speaking ill of fellow Republicans?”

Just as well. Does Brian Lilley think that the Conservative Party of Canada is a parallel of the Republican Party in the United States? The Republican Party in the United States is a legitimate party in a legitimate democracy, but we have no equal in Canada.

The Conservative Party of Canada is running a strong number of candidates. These are candidates of quality.

Give them a chance.
commented 2016-09-30 23:06:36 -0400
Maybe the conservatives should elect “Ben Mulroney” as their leader.

He’s another useless man-child spawn of a former Canadian Prime Minister.

The Canadian sheep would probably eat that right up! Justin was a drama teacher, but this muther fugger was actually on TV and the host of a popular show!!!

Move over, Justin Trudeau supporters… Ben Mulroney has far more qualifications to be PM… he has at least been on TV. That’s obviously what truly matters to any sane voter, right? Qualifications?
commented 2016-09-30 23:02:44 -0400
JAMIE, I think you are going to find that person in Brad Trost who also happens to be a geophysicist and brings some scientific credentials to the table.
I think they can disagree on various positions, but Kelly Leitch doesn’t come across well with her petulant elitist dismissal of Scheer as an “out of touch elite”.
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