May 22, 2017

Costly virtue signalling: Wynne opens $1M electric car “learning” centre

Holly NicholasRebel Commentator

The Ontario government just opened their first taxpayer subsidized electric car learning centre and it’s only going to cost taxpayers a million dollars!

Of course this will be another boondoggle, subsidizing an overhyped industry that impacts few regular Ontarians. Only 11,000 electric cars were sold in Canada last year with global sales accounting for 1% of all vehicle sales.

There’s a very good reason these things aren’t selling like hot cakes and it’s due to driving range.

The Nissan Leaf is the best selling electric car, yet the most you’ll get out of one charge is 172 kilometres. At a cost of over $34K, it’s a rip-off to get less than half the mileage of any other gas, or diesel powered vehicle.

With these disadvantages, nobody is going to buy these cars just because the government tells them to. Empty Tesla charge lots across the country are a testament to this.

As much as politicians like Rachel Notley, Kathleen Wynne and Catherine McKenna want us to switch to cleaner forms of transportation, not everyone can afford a Tesla especially when they can't use other people’s money to get one.

Besides, who can afford extras when the government is saddling us with additional expenses that come along with their ineffective carbon taxes that they claim will save the world?

So now, on top of shouldering the weight of the Ontario government’s poor use of tax dollars, the Liberals just added a million dollars to the pile that Ontarians will have to shell out for this electric car education centre.

Why is the Liberal government running a marketing business for electric car companies any way?

When government gets involved in any business activity besides implementing policy that helps all businesses thrive, it’s always bad news for taxpayers.

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commented 2017-05-23 12:53:56 -0400
The foot print of building an electric car is large. the batteries only last 5-7 years then need to be replaced. Having a golf cart with a solar panel on its roof is viable in the southern states. Such is not the case in the northern Canada. Here at the 50th parallel the sun is 1/10th the power in winter.
Winter solstices is exactly when the power is needed the most.
problem #1 Cold temperatures affect all batteries negatively
  1. this is when the draw will be largest for fans and heaters required in the vehicle.
  2. it takes more energy to drive through snow versus dry pavement.
    Whats the range at -35C?
commented 2017-05-23 12:03:12 -0400
v"Peter Netterville
- As of 2014, Alberta’s oil sands proven reserves were 166 billion Barrels…."

Since oil is a global commodity, Ken’s numbers are probably a better representation. It’s total global capacity that matters. If a couple large deposits are capable of producing 10mpbd but that’s the sum of global production capacity, by necessity the majority of users will have moved onto some alternative energy source by then.

Todays’ situation (where bitumen is one of the most expensive barrel, in a world that produces more oil than it needs) could continue for a very long time. If electric vehicles grow as fast as they have been, then declining demand will stay ahead of the depletion curve leaving plenty of oil for feedstocks etc… assuming we don’t go to renewable feedstocks which is a distinct possibility.

“Only 11,000 electric cars were sold in Canada last year with global sales accounting for 1% of all vehicle sales.”

Of note, though, is those sales are doubling every 18 months or so. 5% by end of decade, and 70% by end of next, is well within reason. These vehicles have The Rebel and their bituminous buddies worried.
commented 2017-05-23 11:38:31 -0400
“Dana Moore commented 19 hours ago
Do people ever stop to wonder where their electricity comes from, in Ontario our Hydro is supplied 60% by nuclear and the balance is gas plants and water power, only 4% is renewables and we all know how that is working, so tell me is the switching to electric vehicles really going to save that much on emissions while we still have to depend on fossil fuels to keep the lights on. And sorry Ken but people who can barely afford to pay their hydro bill will not be investing in a Tesla any time soon. "

About 10% of Ontario’s generation is by gas plants, the rest is emission free. There is enough surplus generation at night to charge millions of cars without adding to emissions (Ont. net exports several gigawatts of power at night, often at significant losses. Better to find customers).

Even if you’re burning natural gas, the thermal efficiencies of the electric are much higher such that it does reduce emissions (efficiencies circa 40-50% 60% for the power plant and 80% for the car, vs about 20% for internal combustion).
commented 2017-05-23 09:46:21 -0400
As they say, "Follow the money . . . ". The trail will inevitably lead to some crooked politician.
Do You think Wynne is not feathering her nest?
All these crooked politicians have done so in the past. Chrétien did it, Martin did it, McGuinty did it, Mulroney did it. And these are the leaders. Some of the politicians in the back back benches are also guilty but to a lesser degree since they have less power.
Let’s not even think about the crooked senate.
Dump Justin bin Trudeau
commented 2017-05-23 07:37:01 -0400
Wynne might have an enthusiastic market in all the government union employees she gave all big raises to including teachers and OPP . They are the only ones that can afford these extravagances now.
commented 2017-05-23 01:54:16 -0400
Glad I don’t live in Ontario.
commented 2017-05-23 01:51:14 -0400
Yes… And I’m sure Winnie The Poo drove an electric car to this photo-op rather than being driven in a Queen’s Park limo???….
commented 2017-05-22 21:13:37 -0400
Keith Barnes," Wynne is more suited to the Electric Chair than she is Electric Cars."
Good one!
commented 2017-05-22 20:36:51 -0400
Why should I buy an electric car!!!!! I drive a Japanese mid-size car and I can go 900 Kilometers on a tank of gaz. I travelled from Lake Temiscouata in QC non-stop to Ottawa…….. would an electric car do that?
commented 2017-05-22 20:24:31 -0400
Ken Martinson, do you think that electricity comes out of the ground like oil? Which actual source do you want to generate electricity? Hydroelectric? Oil and gas? Coal? Nuclear? Those are your choices. The electricity that these cars use is a byproduct of one of these other industries.
commented 2017-05-22 20:06:00 -0400
Ken, even the wiki link you provided shows Canada at 178 years.
commented 2017-05-22 20:03:46 -0400
@ Ken

- As of 2014, Alberta’s oil sands proven reserves were 166 billion Barrels (bbl).

- Total oil sands production (mined and in situ) reached about 2.3 million barrels per day (bbl/d) in 2014.

166,000,000,000 / 2,300,000 per day = 197.6 years @ 2.3 million barrels/day

http://www.energy.alberta.ca/OilSands/791.asp
commented 2017-05-22 19:21:24 -0400
Keith makes a very good point, when you’re in North America in the Northerners most points and it is 40 or 30° below zero. You are running electric heaters and your electric fans and everything to keep the vehicle warm plus also keeping the windows defrosted process running the Windshield wipers because of the bad roads. How are you going to keep battery life? Yes, batteries have been engineered to be stronger but even better batteries in cold weather die and die at a quicker state.
commented 2017-05-22 18:14:52 -0400
Wynne is more suited to the Electric Chair than she is Electric Cars.

How do you defrost an iced up windshield or heat the interior Wynne, do they have solar panels on the roof? Going to have to stop every 10k for a recharge during the Winter.
commented 2017-05-22 17:07:16 -0400
TO QUOTE A DISTINGUISHED MAN………….EIGHT WORDS THAT WILL MAKE YOUR BLOOD RUN COLD……" I’M HERE FROM THE GOVERNMENT TO HELP YOU. "………….SAID BY RONALD REAGAN

check out……. digging the coast 365
commented 2017-05-22 17:05:02 -0400
We don’t need a learning centre, everything you need to know about the car is available on-line; or stop in at a dealership to get the scoop, and ask for a test drive, that is if you can afford the electricity to run the vehicle!
Another Liberal plan that doesn’t make sense, and is costly. The million dollars could be better spent in a thousand different ways.
I can’t decide if Wynne looks more like Orville Redenbocker or Colonel Saunders!
commented 2017-05-22 17:04:25 -0400
Ken Martinson, the Oilsands has a minimum of 150 years of easily accessible oil left yet. More is buried down deeper.

I’d be interested in reading where you learned that oil and gas has a life expectancy of 23 to 33 years.
commented 2017-05-22 17:04:17 -0400
Do people ever stop to wonder where their electricity comes from, in Ontario our Hydro is supplied 60% by nuclear and the balance is gas plants and water power, only 4% is renewables and we all know how that is working, so tell me is the switching to electric vehicles really going to save that much on emissions while we still have to depend on fossil fuels to keep the lights on. And sorry Ken but people who can barely afford to pay their hydro bill will not be investing in a Tesla any time soon.
commented 2017-05-22 16:47:48 -0400
Let the market decide if the electric car is useless. Tesla seems to be able to sell 84,000 cars a year. And the overall market of electric/hybrids is around 800,000 per year.
Of the estimated oil reserves, we burn over 3% per year. Sure, reserves grow a bit each year, but not enough. We are facing the end of exports of oil perhaps around 2040 to 2050.
The electric car market can grow at 1-2% of total market per year. And in a crisis, it could grow by 5%. The Tesla Semi is going on sale in Sept. And a Tesla car will drive from L.A. to NYC by the end of the year with no driver input.
commented 2017-05-22 16:23:02 -0400
Exactly Peter..the hoax is being exposed..
commented 2017-05-22 16:10:44 -0400
A friend of mine has a hybrid and says it helps cut down on his gas consumption so long ans he doesn’t accelerate too quickly. Apparently it charges itself during the times he must use the gas engine.

I must remember to ask him if he thinks the savings in gas will pay for the higher purchase price for an all gas car of the same type over the period of the life of the car.

The all electric cars are useless.