November 14, 2016

CPC leaders debate: Candidates spread liberal media myths instead of learning from Trump victory

Brian LilleyArchive

I attended the second Conservative leadership debate. Organized by Ottawa area MP Pierre Poilievre, 9 of the 12 candidates spent up to two hours giving mini-speeches, answering questions from audience members and occasionally taking each other on.

One thing happened several times with many, if not all of the candidates, and it’s bothering me.

Conservative MPs accepted liberal media myths about their party and election record, and then repeated them.

Michael Chong claimed Conservatives need to be able to win in cities, Lisa Raitt said the party has trouble attracting women, and many suggested Conservatives lost a bunch of votes to happy go lucky Liberals.

Watch as I take on these myths to set the record straight and offer an important suggestion these candidates can take from the election of Donald Trump - be yourself.

We can argue about whether Trump was a real conservative or a real Republican or a closet Democrat, or crazy.

But none of that matters because he was himself. He was honest as any politician can be with voters. They saw his warts but elected him anyway because he identified problems voters cared about and promised solutions they understood.

That’s something all politicians could learn from but especially those currently seeking the Conservative Party leadership.

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commented 2016-11-16 10:44:06 -0500
BILL ELDER, “So far only Kelly Lietch has come close.” Please explain how, particularly with respect to her stand on the various issues, including man-made climate change among other issues.
commented 2016-11-16 05:32:08 -0500
Don Cherry………:-)
commented 2016-11-15 16:51:06 -0500
I’m watching but all I see is Neo Cons getting on the CPC candidate list.

You have to distinguish neoconservatives from the Old libertarian Right by understanding that the neoconservatives do not reject, and in fact embrace, the Just Society PET/LBJ- welfare state, entitlement culture and incongruent egalitarianism. But, they are still hawkish anti-communist, pro-Zionism. They left the Liberal-left parties because the new left embraced Marcusian-Alinsky Marxism, anti-Zionism – turning into the neoconservative Straussians who see the NATO/ military as a tool to enforce the cult of democracy around the world, thus to embed protections against anti-semitism in all nations. It’s why they want to keep our military in the sand box.

The nature of Straussian conservatives in their rightward neo-con narratives is to limit all political discourse to debates about institutions and foundations, and thereby place the topics of culture, religion, and ethnicity (politically correct taboos) out of bounds. This is precisely the reason that the new-Left tolerates Neo-Cons in high positions in academia and politics; from the Left’s perspective, they’re the prison wardens of the Right wing gulag, control freaks organizationally themselves but preferred to the brawling alt-right inmates.

Straussian Cons are urban, Jewish and Catholic white intellectuals, so they swim in the same waters as the PC Left elite but identify as Right and perform this narrative policing function which anchors the frame of acceptable political narratives firmly to the Left.

We saw Trump succeed in breaking with neo-con limited debate and wade chest deep into alt-right territory. The Alt Right is the realist movement of the right that, unlike the establishment neo-con right-wing, addressees Marxist PC taboos and speaks the inconvenient truths. They want an honest public discussion about irrefutable differences between social classes, races, ethnic groups, genders and individuals. That offends the egalitarian pretense the New Left which Neo-Cons adopted with The Big Tent Enlightenment.™

An alt-right CPC candidate would regroup populist sentiment in the Canadian public which is lying dormant because it has no voice – Recent poling shows a big majority of Canadians think the government and parties are going in the wrong direction with nationalism, immigration, official discrimination, obfuscatory social identity politics and other aspects of incongruent egalitarianism – someone has to awake this sleeping giant.

So far only Kelly Lietch has come close
commented 2016-11-15 14:38:10 -0500
Jan, I remember what Ambrose said – which is why I have no respect for her.
commented 2016-11-15 13:39:19 -0500
The party should take a lesson from the US election results. Never underestimate the silent majority. No number of Beyonce concerts aimed at ‘new’ voters managed to garner enough new votes to save the Democrats.
commented 2016-11-15 13:34:51 -0500
GREIG MCKINNON, “In my opinion there is not a true Conservative in the bunch, or in the Party for that matter…Dr. Leitch is a glimmer of hope, but we will see.” Please define what you mean by “a true Conservative”.
commented 2016-11-15 13:31:30 -0500
I wouldn’t trust O’leary as far as I could throw him on any issue , immigration in particular. He might get some things right but the ones I think he would get wrong, I wouldn’t be able to live with.
I suggest everyone become a member of the party so they can actually vote on it. Lets hope someone shapes up or steps out from behind the curtain to give us a party we actually want. 15 bucks, 5 minutes online.
commented 2016-11-15 12:05:03 -0500
Leviticus, 12 hr. ago——“Bernier is a slow motion communist”. What is communist in Canada is the Marketing Boards! I have said before that I know a dairy farmer near Vancouver that has been protected all his life from competition. Today he leases his quota license to a big milk company for 1 million a year; he does nothing and he can pass his license on to his kid. That’s why we pay double the price for milk , cheese, chicken, eggs ect.. Bernier will end this.
If O’Leary is serious, give him Patrick Brown’s job and see how he does as Premier of Ontariowe.
commented 2016-11-15 11:41:15 -0500
In my opinion there is not a true Conservative in the bunch, or in the Party for that matter. At best they are all Lib-Lite, which is not good enough to garner my support. Dr. Leitch is a glimmer of hope, but we will see.
commented 2016-11-15 10:47:05 -0500
I’m a life-long Conservative but I must say that there is not a person in this collection of wannabees that inspire me to 1. work to get him/her elected, 2. donate funds, 3. vote for him/her. The party has lost it’s way and will need fresh faces with a fresh perspective to move the voter’s dial. Where is the vision? If you can’t see to the right you will be blindsided. We can’t endure another Patrick Brown mistake or it will be Justin Redux 3 years from now.
commented 2016-11-15 09:45:37 -0500
PETER LETOURNEUX, “It seems that the current crop of CPC candidates are of the thought to be electable they need to be Liberals in blue jackets”. That’s a valid concern particularly when you see the style of ‘conservative’ demonstrated by Patrick Brown in Ontario. However, you say “it seems”. Have you listened to the candidate debates so far. Do you know where each of the candidates stand on the various issues to make such an assessment dismissing all of the candidates. Explain what you mean by “Liberals in blue jackets” and what would make them Conservatives in blue jackets.
commented 2016-11-15 09:35:15 -0500
JAN G, “None of these candidates show backbone or that lack of fear quality that Harper and Trump possess”. I see a lot of panic setting in by the commentators. For goodness sake, give the candidates some more time to better define themselves and where they stand on all the issues. Seems like not only the politicians are being influenced by the liberal media myths.
commented 2016-11-15 09:19:28 -0500
I also want people to understand that this communal politics is going to take the vote away from every Canadian, as it is after all eliminating choice for change
commented 2016-11-15 09:16:15 -0500
“…given the choice of real Liberals or make pretend Liberals…well, which do you think they’ll choose?”
Peter they are not pretend Liberals. They re pretend conservatives. So why not choose the ones who are being straight up with you? The CPC needs to be purged and to have a true outspoken conservative as leader.
commented 2016-11-15 08:44:58 -0500
Watch real close while they collude to take all guns out of the hands of Canadians as well, except for the Natives, in the beginning anyway.

Is this opening any eyes yet?
commented 2016-11-15 08:38:30 -0500
As I said people it is not just a red or blue thing anymore, for christs sake people open your eyes.
commented 2016-11-15 07:41:10 -0500
Karan Singh wrote: “The most striking thing in this whole debate (and overall political scene in Canada) is that politicians of every hue & stripe is concerned about and scrambling to woo ‘new Canadians’.
What about old Canadians, who’s going to be their voice, who’s going to represent them??
Also, does it means that once these ‘new Canadians’ become old Canadians (like me) they too would be abandoned like the previous ones in favour of the ‘newest’ ones??”

We have introduced legalized euthanasia and it will undoubtedly become (as has proved to be the case in place like Belgium and Holland) more widely used and less restrictive over time (“available” to those with only mental distress but not physical illness, and to minors, etc.) After all, governments must find a way to avoid having to pay those pesky, crippling pensions to citizens who have worked all their lives and then, quite selfishly, refuse to die at 65. To state the obvious, older people in general are not wanted or valued in our societies (but apparently, non-working, often violent immigrants from societies having ideologies averse to freedom, are).
commented 2016-11-15 04:28:15 -0500
They’re planning on handing the election over to the Liberals? Corruption maybe? I get that they’re spineless and may think they’re playing it smart, but like the dems down south, they’re going to trip on their own overestimation of those smarts.

They are already disappointing and disheartening, and people are saying that everywhere.
commented 2016-11-15 02:06:51 -0500
It seems that the current crop of CPC candidates are of the thought that to be electable they need to be Liberals in blue jackets. Problem is, Canadians, particularly eastern Canadians that voted Liberal pretty much unanimously, given the choice of real Liberals or make pretend Liberals…well, which do you think they’ll choose?
commented 2016-11-15 00:53:15 -0500
I watched that debate. I thought Scheer, O’Toole and Leitch have potential. The rest are right-offs, except Steve Blaney, he’d might be a good cabinet minister.
commented 2016-11-15 00:18:42 -0500
Bernier is a slow motion communist and hasn’t said anything remarkable of how to turn Canada around…!!!
O’Leary would be the man for the job if he would lay out a political platform for people to decide.
The trouble with millennial’s is they were born with a brain and spent a lifetime siphoning it off through the indoctrination system we have instead of an educational system.
At this point the Canadian voters have two choices… Shoot themselves in the foot or shoot themselves in the head.
commented 2016-11-15 00:06:51 -0500
You People have to listen some time to Bernier, as he covers everything that we want, except I have not heard his opinion on Kelly’s Can. Values test for Immigrants which we need.
As far as O’Leary goes, he wants to bring 100 thousand Millennials from Lebanon where he has genetic routes. That’s OK with me as long as he deports 100 thousand useless Canadian Millennial snowflakes. Their parents will vote for O’Leary just to get them out of their basements.
commented 2016-11-15 00:04:19 -0500
Don’t worry about this useless selection of the next Conservative leader. Many things will happen between now and the next election. Canadians will be in a world of hurt with low employment and high taxes. We will not be competitive with the U.S. and will lose numerous business and jobs to them. Morons like Tom Parkin and Niki Ashton are whining already about no jobs for young people. Who’d of thunk it when you screw over our resource industry that you would lose thousands of high paying jobs? High corporate taxes and new carbon taxes will stick a fork in the average Canadian. Only then will the idiots who voted for Turdo wake up to the fact that he is a clueless idiot. Hell, Morneau already told young people to expect to bounce around from job to job and not to expect to retire before 65. He did not say that these jobs would be part-time. Trump will Make America Great Again while Turdo will continue to follow his ideology for idiots and turn Canada into a third world county.
commented 2016-11-14 23:57:22 -0500
Karan Singh, I agree. The whole driving force of Canadian politics is by, for and of feminists, faggots and foreigners.
commented 2016-11-14 23:55:59 -0500
Moderate Retardarian, sounds like you are having a hard time accepting your new President of the United States of America…..Mr. Donald Trump.


And he won thanks to morons like you and these complete idiots protesting. Pat yourselves on the back for saving North America.
commented 2016-11-14 23:36:12 -0500
I think Rona Ambrose made a big mistake when she belittled Stephen Harper at the journalists’ convention, saying Harper ’didn’t like people’. They didn’t support him throughout the election and they’re pretty much doing what Trudeau has been doing with Harper’s legacy – dumping on him.
To mock your own sets the tone for the future of your party.
None of these candidates show backbone or that lack of fear quality that Harper and Trump possess.
We may never get rid of the kid and his buddies.
If O’Leary had any ethics or moral beliefs, he’s the only one who could outtalk, outsmart and outwit Trudeau….because he’s the only one who is not afraid of the little millionaire.
commented 2016-11-14 23:08:22 -0500
“The most striking thing in this whole debate (and overall political scene in Canada) is that politicians of every hue & stripe is concerned about and scrambling to woo ‘new Canadians’. What about old Canadians, who’s going to be their voice, who’s going to represent them??’

No one apparently. Sadly they’d only care if we’d all stop paying taxes.

“They’re like cookie cutter candidates, and not one Brad Wall among them. What is wrong with conservatives now? They are all wanna be liberals! They need to get back to real conservative values”

Absolutely agree with you Deborah.

“We need fair and equitable government that will serve the will of the people from central Canada or the west needs to separate as a survival strategy.”

Sorry Leviticus, the moonbats are in all provinces, no province is free from them. Though the idea of separation is appealing it is not doable, they’ve infested the educational system and all levels of governmental bureaucracy. We need a Trump here in Canada, but how things look I wouldn’t hold my breath.
commented 2016-11-14 23:05:02 -0500
Moderate will be gone for a while Drew. Probably needed to get outa the cellar.
commented 2016-11-14 22:43:04 -0500
Moderate please stop projecting your hatred and bigotry onto us, it does not absolve you of anything.
commented 2016-11-14 22:15:47 -0500
Kellie Leitch is the only one the left is scared of. Nuff said. Moderate- what’s wrong with leeches?