September 02, 2015

Curtailing free speech: Quebec's Bill 59 is "radical, extreme and terrifying"

Brian LilleyArchive

I interview National Post columnist Barbara Kay about Quebec's Bill 59, the anti-hate speech legislation which will purportedly prevent and combat hate speech and speech inciting violence.

But will it?

Those who drafted Bill 59 believe the way to fight terrorism is to stop people from saying bad things about Islam which is very much like what the Organization of Islamic Cooperation at the UN says about hate speech.

The similarities are disturbing and should concern us all.

Listen to our discussion about this troubling bill and the many ways it could curtail free speech rights and let me know what you think in the comments.


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commented 2015-11-16 18:37:31 -0500
Lefties and feminists don’t believe in Universal Human Rights. They believe in little-guy vs big-guy.
commented 2015-09-09 15:13:17 -0400
The problem is not our lack of tolerance for new immigrants, it is our new immigrants lack of tolerance for us.
commented 2015-09-05 10:43:45 -0400
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms list as a “fundamental” freedom (Section 2 (a&b)): freedom of conscience and religion; and, freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication…
It seems pretty straight forward. I also understand that any laws made inconsistent with the “law of lawmaking”, aka, the Constitution, is of no force or effect.
If the Quebec Bill 59 goes into effect, what the hell is the point of a Constitution?
commented 2015-09-05 04:32:25 -0400
You really learn to value speech after you experience retreats that enforce vows of silence.

Best response to the people who propose and support this sort of thing…..make a blacklist of their names….socially ostracize and isolate them…..

and never speak to them again.
commented 2015-09-04 16:43:55 -0400
There is only one rational and legitimate limit to free speech: no one should be able to call for or encourage physical violence against individuals, groups or property. On this score our American neighbors are 100% right. As soon as free speech is limited by ‘hate’ laws etc, there will inevitably be various groups who will try to use these laws to control i.e. muzzle, and stifle debate about them and/or their ideas. This is not compatible with a democracy which believes in encouraging a diversity of ideas. People have to grow up and realize that living in a democracy requires a thick skin – as I learned as an immigrant kid from Germany in the early 1950’s.
commented 2015-09-04 14:33:05 -0400
Im fine with immigration, this country has been built on the backs of immigrants. There are people in my neighborhood from all over the world. Good people. Im not ok with Muslims immigrating to this country though. Even the more moderate ones want to change Canada for the worse. For every Muslim we get that shares Canadian values there are 10,000 that dont. That is the problem. They will never ever stop pushing and fighting until they get sharia courts and there own sharia police etc, etc. Just look anywhere else they’ve immigrated to in numbers.
commented 2015-09-04 13:58:03 -0400
If the human rights laws continue in this direction, it would not surprise me to see a resurgence of the white supremacist movement with marches of white robed peaked hatted persons burning crosses throughout the land. In Canada, we were moving right nicely along with our multiculturalism with many of us of different races, religions and cultures beginning to get along with one another. Yes, initially we were much a white protestant society and, like all groups, many of us were suspicious of newcomers. But we were moving nicely beyond this attitude and now we are pushing too far and making many of us fearful of anything we say or write available to public scrutiny. Where or where has free speech gone? What is that saying?… I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it. I guess now we have to add “with the exception of the following circumstances:….”. This type of pressure does not lend itself to feelings of co-operation and love of all when we are told to shut up or face the consequences and by some of those darned lawyers who make their dollars by arguing just about anything that comes along. I guess we should be thankful that we are not in Syria or other ISIS war torn areas where there are absolutely no rights for anyone.
commented 2015-09-03 22:47:39 -0400
Some of you blame human rights but that is wrong.

What I admire most about PM Harper is his steadfast promotion of human rights in the world, even when it is unpopular, even when it cost Canada a seat on the Security Council.

Despite NATO has only 24 representatives at the UN to the OIC’s 57 Islamic states, PM Harper has repeatedly stood with Israel against overwhelming odds. To defend their human right to exist.

PM Harper has also repeatedly condemned persecution of gays and of human-rights activists in communist countries and Islamic republics.

Not being offended is not a human right. Offense is in the eye of the offended. Oh sure, I can calculate that calling Muhammad a pedophile will offend Muslims but sticks and stones, you know?

Genocide violates human rights. Personal offense does not.

This bill will not pass. This story has been covered by for weeks. There is a huge outcry.

I am glad this bill came forward because it clarifies the threat to freedom. Hopefully it will lead to the feds removing from Canadian law the obsolete sections that make blasphemy a crime.

The SCC is made up of seven judges. They argue law the best they can with what they’ve got. If appeals from human rights commissions make it to their jurisdiction, they’ll get this one right. Hey, if they don’t, someone might find them offensive, eh? Shut them up/down/all around? For good !!
commented 2015-09-03 19:04:13 -0400
Bet the same people who are vehemently opposed to C-51 are fully supportive of this.
commented 2015-09-03 15:37:22 -0400
Canadians’ and our Judges hopefully awaken to the fact that “Free Speech”, a mainstay of a Democracy and Free Country – and that our Free Speech is beeing attacked Daily to an abusive level! Let us be careful we don’t paint ourselves into the corner whereby we actually have no freedom at all!
Bureaucrats and Leftist leaning politics and Politically Correct is going way overboard as these days Freedom is becoming more and more popular! I for one choose Freedom over enslavement! How about you?
commented 2015-09-03 14:44:56 -0400
Sorry again, Liza! (but Lisa is a nice name too :)
commented 2015-09-03 14:42:34 -0400
Sorry, Lisa, I meant “It’s too late, Lisa.” But Rosie is a nice name too :)
commented 2015-09-03 14:40:29 -0400
Lisa Rosie said, “It ain’t over yet, and Harper may yet.” Yeah, and pigs may sprout wings and learn to fly. Eeeeyeah

It’s too late, Rosie. Even if Harper wanted to reverse the advancement of the progressive dictatorship that has occurred on his watch as PM and to a large extent as a result of some of his actions (and at this point, I have no reason to believe he does), it’s too late. In what I consider to be an act of total betrayal of his conservative base, Harper appointed some of the most radically ‘progressive’ Supreme Court Justices in our history, and the current Supreme Court of Canada, Harper’s creation, will, much more than Parliament, effectively determine the course that Canada will take in the decades ahead. And this SCoC has already made it clear that it is much more radically inclined toward progressivism (i.e. cultural Marxism) than any SCoC that preceded it in our history. This country is headed for oblivion, whatever the result of the next federal election. But in what is probably a vain hope to slow that process down, I will vote Conservative, because I think Harper will be replaced in the next few years one way or another, and because the overtly ‘progressive’ alternatives would be even worse. As bad a condition as Canada is in now vis-a-vis loss of freedom, that process would greatly accelerate under either Mulcair or JT. I think you could expect that this website will be muzzled or forced out of existence if either the NDP or Liberals gain power. But even if that didn’t happen, the progressive dictatorship is so completely entrenched in Canada now as to be impervious to any attempt to remove it from power, unless the makeup of both the federal government and the SCoC were to become primarily conservative, which isn’t going to happen unless we get a conservative PM who retains power for another decade and appoints a new conservative SCoC and who can convince Canadians of the folly of AGW and socialism, which is extremely unlikely, because the progressive dictatorship in the media and education systems is so entrenched. Pity Canada.
commented 2015-09-03 14:30:25 -0400
Freedom of speech will not die in Canada. If you belong to the Death Cult Of Islam, you may say what you like. All the Left Wing Politicians should be packed of to Europe, let them take the grand tour and see free speech at work, under the same rules that are being suggested for Canada. Muslims can walk around, with placards, stating ‘Death to all Christians’ ‘Death to all Jews’ In the EU, the police do nothing, yet, if you were to say, ‘Go home you Muslim Bastard’, you will be arrested.
I think this is a case of Saudi money, speaking loudly to Left Wing Politicians. Either that or these same Left Wing Politicians are just cowards.
commented 2015-09-03 08:50:03 -0400
ABC anything but communism and it looks like we are following the UN as our new leader, sub servitude. Oddly, the same progressives who were against the Federal bill c 51, will back this one.
commented 2015-09-03 02:51:10 -0400
That is a very scary news article.
It’s like there’s a coup going down in front of our very eyes. Everywhere you look.
The Wynne circus in Ontario…and the sex ed is going ahead.
The SCotUS treason and criminality.
The NDP in Alberta…economic destruction is in earnest there too.
ALL that Obama sh, stuff going down, daily, escalating…giving Iran nukes and $Billions!?
The stock market lately…
It’s like we are all being led, or driven headlong into oblivion. We can see it coming at us, but no brakes.
If the world makes it to October 19 , I’m fearful that an NDP government will not only get into power, but spell our swift doom. When the SHTF, it can happen very suddenly and very quickly.
As trite and cliched as this may sound…In these ‘uniquely and darkly troubling times’ we need more than ever, a steady, experienced, able and known hand at the tiller.
I do not feel at all prepared in any way for the end of life as we know it…
commented 2015-09-03 02:23:23 -0400
There’s two primary things to do to start reversing this trend. One, turn the HRC’s into proper courts, headed by judges and Rule of Law, not “friends of the Left”. Two, citizens need to start laying private charges against officials. For the premier of Quebec to allow this Bill to come forward, is a Breach of Trust – a chargeable offense, and any citizen- average can walk into a courtroom and request a charge.
commented 2015-09-03 00:44:40 -0400
It ain’t over yet, and Harper may yet.
commented 2015-09-03 00:12:10 -0400
The progressive strategy to take total dictatorial control of western society: First, suppress speech that contradicts progressive thought. How to do that: Define spoken conservative opinion as ‘hate speech’ and outlaw it. This has now been accomplished in Canada. Unless there is a popular rebellion that overthrows the progressive dictatorship and restores freedom of speech in Canada, it is all over but for watching the total disintegration of the once great society that this country once was. The progressive dictatorship is now so well entrenched that that is a virtual impossibility, so welcome to progressive Canada, where you can say anything you like, as long as it agrees with the ideological consensus of the progressive dictatorship. The Harper government of the early 21st Century was the last chance we had to reverse that, and Harper, who seems to love CBC hockey night more than freedom, either couldn’t or wouldn’t do it, so goodbye free and democratic Canada.
commented 2015-09-02 22:29:00 -0400
After the progressives win this battle they will teach us (those who oppose) to fly and make us navigate a wind turbine farm. Resistance is not futile!
commented 2015-09-02 22:13:46 -0400
I know of only one MP who, I think, tried what you are searching for.
Enoch Powell April 20, 1968.
The next closest that comes to my mind is Prime Minister Harper “That’s not how we do things here”.
commented 2015-09-02 21:54:45 -0400
Maurice, good post as usual.
commented 2015-09-02 20:26:14 -0400
Brian Cameron I totally agree with your comments, however here is my question: What should we the people do about any of it? Other than complaining and pointing out that it is wrong and that Islam is not a religion of peace, and Islam is not a religion but an ideology, and that all the idiotic human rights tribunals and commissions are lefties and should be closed down – we, you and I do nothing. I am not putting anyone down but am honestly asking, what do we do? What can we do? I will jump at the chance to really do something that will change all of this, but what, where, how?
I have written to my MP and get nowhere. He is a good guy but I will bet you he does not know either what to do or how to go about it. The ideology that politicians care about their constituency and bring forth all the wishes of their constituents and try to influence the sitting government is just that an ideology.
However it is going to take government action to get rid of the human rights commissions, government action to show that Islam is wrong for Canadians and will not be tolerated, government action to shut down the CBC and to stop Unions from campaigning during an election, etc. etc. etc.
Politicians are put in their positions by us the public, and we can make changes by voting for the right people – but in all of my sixty seven years I have never seen a politician go out on a limb and really stand for anything as radical as stopping all Muslims from entering Canada until they have been properly vetted, or pushing for the abolishment of human rights commissions, or standing up to bad judges that make seriously bad rulings including the by the SCOC, or condemning the CBC and MSM when they blatantly lie and twist facts. Yet they are the ones that have the power to bring about the changes we want. We can want the changes, but we can’t make the changes, the politicians have to do it, and I don’t see it happening under current conditions.
We all hope that Mr. Harper remains as our PM, and hope that he will then be able to bring about some of the things we would like changed, but although we might see some small semblance of this we all know that the big changes will never come about. No one is bold enough or brave enough or astute enough – not in our democracy.
commented 2015-09-02 20:24:26 -0400
The ONLY speech that can logically be censored in a free and democratic society is speech that specifically calls for harm or violence against a group or an individual, or falsehoods designed specifically to bring the reputation of a group or individual into disrepute, which, since untrue, is libelous. Hurt feelings don’t count. If someone hurts your feelings, get over it! Grow up! I’ve always maintained that being offended is a personal choice. As a Christian, I could take offence 100 times a day at things people say or do, deliberately to ridicule my faith. But I simply consider the source and move on with my life. This country may have been founded on Judeo-Christian principles, (which is the foundation of our rights and freedoms) but over the years it has morphed into a multicultural society. A multicultural society cannot work without the element of tolerance. However no one seems to know the definition of the word “tolerance” anymore, particularly those on left. They seem to interpret the word as meaning never saying that someone else’s views are wrong, as long as those views are considered “progressive”. However, the very concept of the word “tolerance” contains within it the notion of disagreement. Although I was never a big fan of Voltaire, when he said “I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it”, he nailed it! That is precisely the definition of tolerance. Where there is no disagreement, tolerance is irrelevant and therefore nonexistent. Believing and stating that another person’s beliefs are false is not intolerant. In fact disagreement is absolutely essential for an atmosphere of tolerance to exist. Without it tolerance is a non-issue. True tolerance allows for differing views to have equal right to exist without fear of condemnation, or the threat of violence. Therefore, one can be truly tolerant without accepting another person’s beliefs as being true. Tolerance is not about everyone being in agreement, nor is it a liberal or a conservative idea. True tolerance simply means respecting the right and the freedom of every human being to think and believe as they wish, and acknowledging their right to freely express their opinion or belief. If we are a truly tolerant people, we will always acknowledge and respects the human dignity of everyone, even while vigorously and passionately disagreeing with them. It doesn’t matter whether we find their opinion agreeable or not. In fact, their opinion may be extremely offensive from our perspective. The answer to offensive ideas is more ideas, not the silencing of opinions that we don’t agree with. With laws such as those proposed in Quebec, and as long as these kangaroo courts called “human rights tribunals” continue to exist, true tolerance, true freedom, true democracy and true multiculturalism cannot exist. Human rights tribunals exist, not to uphold human rights, but to limit human rights. And, unfortunately, many decisions by the legitimate judiciary in recent years seems to be heading down that same path. If either Mulcair or Trudeau form the next government, I fear individual freedoms, tolerance and true democracy will be lost. Unfortunately, I’m not very optimistic. Even with the Conservatives back in power, I fear we will only be delaying the breakdown of western civilization. The two competing forces for the culture now are Islamism and hedonism. Ironically, the hedonists are supporting the Islamists against individual freedom and true tolerance. They will recognize their folly too late if the Islamists ever dominate this country.
commented 2015-09-02 20:02:09 -0400
The fact is that Islam is not a religion of peace it is a violent death cult bent on total global domination. So we should treat it like any other cult and ban its practice and the building of its mosks on Canadian soil. I believe in freedom of religion but Islam is not just a religion, I would not accept practicing Nazi’s in this country either, and the two are almost identical. Hate groups both.
commented 2015-09-02 19:43:05 -0400
I don’t understand why All politicians fall over themselves to put ISLAM in a positive light. . If Muslims kill a bunch of babies and females —-Then the Politicians and media will inundate us with the fact that Muslims are a Afraid of a Backlash and deserve Police Protection. The fact is—-many People are deadly of Islam and NOW it will be illegal to state your honest opinion ?
commented 2015-09-02 19:37:20 -0400
Ill add one more thing, Islam is not a religion it is a fascist political ideology, a form of authoritarian government in which Muslims rain supreme over all others. It is absolutely Nazism with a little bit of religion added to it. When the Muslim population in a non Muslim country grows large enough (as we are beginning to see in several once prosperous European countries) to effect the political landscape the deadly serious nature of the threat to the western way of life in that country becomes very clear. That threat is the 1400 year long jihad against the infidels AKA western civilization. That jihad is gaining momentum and getting stronger everyday. Im very glad I wont be alive in 150 years because unless the western world finally puts there collective feet down and puts an end to all the appeasement and mass immigration taking place there wont be a free world left. The sad thing is that all of this is right in front of are faces, I’m not even talking about the countless daily examples all over the world, its all been written down right there in the Quaran. Have a read its all there clear as day.
commented 2015-09-02 19:22:51 -0400
Brian Cameron said, “…they have been so indoctrinated with radical progressive socialist ideas that they truly can’t see the clear and present danger right in front of them and the countless examples of it every single day.”

That is a perfect description of the majority of the left in Canada and all of the left main stream media.
commented 2015-09-02 19:06:10 -0400
Today I am ashamed to be a Canadian. This crap makes me wanna start rounding up these “progressive” socialist nut jobs and send them over to Saudi Arabia so they can see first hand what they will be turning our country into. They are destroying our culture and the guaranteed liberties we are supposed to have in our once free country. These are the kind of laws that get passed and then not long after lead to revolutions. Perhaps we are due, our rights and liberties have been slowly disappearing and it is quite frankly terrifying. I have been seriously considering immigrating to the USA for the last year or two and if this trend of infringing on our natural liberties continues I might even be able to apply as a refugee fleeing persecution! No free speech in Canada, the very thought makes me sick, yet half the country would probably be for it.
Everyone needs to ask themselves how many of our fathers and grandfathers fought and died to ensure that we had these freedoms, and do we really wanna raise our children in a country where you can get fined or jailed for doing nothing more than saying your opinion or stating facts. I would like to say that I can’t believe this is happening, but the signs have been there for a while. Europe is crumbling under its Muslim invasion, they are losing rights and freedoms bending over backwards trying to appease the ungrateful, welfare sucking, violent Muslim Nazis that build ghettos full of rape gangs that all think it is totally fine to commit rape and violence against non Muslims. Funny you don’t really hear anything about it in the mainstream Canadian media. Where ever Islam goes hell and violence is soon to follow.
Islamophobia? We should all be scared of Islam and what it is doing and will do to the world because its darn terrifying and a totally rational fear. Anybody that doesn’t is either a liar because they are to afraid to be shamed as a politically incorrect person or they have been so indoctrinated with radical progressive socialist ideas that they truly can’t see the clear and present danger right in front of them and the countless examples of it every single day.
Its called suicide by socialism folks and its happening in Europe and beginning to happen in Canada. We had better act before its to late and people start going to jail for writing comments and critics like the one I have just written.