June 23, 2018

Debunking “junk science” behind anti-car groups call for banning “right on red” turns

David MenziesMission Specialist

 

Due to an upward blip in the number of traffic deaths in Toronto involving cars colliding with pedestrians and cyclists, a coalition of traffic safety advocates called 8 80 Cities, is proposing a ban on cars turning right on a red light.

This solution is not only misguided but will only lead to further traffic congestion.

As reported in the Toronto Star, the group notes that 13% of all pedestrian injuries or deaths are a result of right-turning vehicles at intersections.

That may sound daunting, but watch as I explain why the devil is in the details when it comes to such statistics as yet again, another anti-car group lays all the blame on car drivers.

Sorry Nanny State advocates, Toronto doesn’t need a blanket ban on a commonplace maneuver that more often than not is completed without any sort of unfortunate incident occurring.

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commented 2018-06-25 15:02:47 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON
I’m somewhat skeptical that it does, but yes, even if it raises emissions, it’s a worthwhile tradeoff. Of course, we could always improve incentives for EVs, which not only reduce emissions but also often come with the latest safety equipment…
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And where will the electricity come from, O Sage?
Take your pick:
Cover the arable land in windmills, build more hydro dams on native land, cover the earth in solar panels, nuclear power.
commented 2018-06-24 22:48:00 -0400
“Why do we need to worry… they’ve effectively stopped every organized attack”

‘Andrew’,

What incredible smug idiocy. Probably what someone like you said in the UK before the terrorist attacks in London and Manchester killed many people, or that someone like you said in France before the attacks there killed many dozens of people, or that someone like you said in the US before the 9/11 attack killed nearly 3000 people. I wonder what you’re going to say when it happens to Canada? Will you have a clever comment then? Will you still be prattling on about banning right hand turns when you can’t go to an airport or a concert without wondering if you will be blown to pieces by a Muslim terrorist lone wolf or an “organized attack”?

Probably, you will. Because you would rather talk about anything other than the elephant in the room.
commented 2018-06-24 22:08:17 -0400
Robert Hewgill: " Then the gawd damn light is green, not red, and get the gawd damn bikes off the road, because I run those SOB’s off the road every chance I get. One of those SOB’s made the mistake of giving me the finger one time, and that;s biggest mistake he ever made. You mess with me, and I’ll get you. "
Yeah ,that’s about right, isn’t it.

’Why are you so determined to see Canadians subjected to the same horrors now being experienced by our fellow suckers across the pond? "

Why do we need to worry? As you note, they’ve effectively stopped every organized attack, and most of the lone wolves. With that under control, perhaps it’s time to focus on something that’s actually killing Canadians. That goes towards preventable traffic death, as well as funding cancer and cardiovascular research, all far greater killers.

“Allan Peterson commented 5 hours ago
Prohibiting right turns on red lights means a larger carbon footprint. So which is going to be , Leftists? Right turns or global warming. Is destroying the earth worth stopping a right hand turn? "

[citation needed]. I’m somewhat skeptical that it does, but yes, even if it raises emissions, it’s a worthwhile tradeoff. Of course, we could always improve incentives for EVs, which not only reduce emissions but also often come with the latest safety equipment, including pedestrian-collision detection/automatic braking.
commented 2018-06-24 16:52:22 -0400
PAUL TAYLOR commented 32 mins ago
Toronto is a cesspool of foreigners. None of them know how to cross a road or maneuver a cross walk legally.
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And then we could talk about their ability to drive or lack thereof……..
commented 2018-06-24 16:50:19 -0400
Prohibiting right turns on red lights means a larger carbon footprint. So which is going to be , Leftists? Right turns or global warming. Is destroying the earth worth stopping a right hand turn?
commented 2018-06-24 16:43:41 -0400
The real problem is the very existence of cars themselves. There are 160,000 car accidents resulting in 2900 deaths in Canada. So the obvious solution is to ban them completely. If it would save even 2900 lives it would be worth it.
commented 2018-06-24 16:19:43 -0400
Toronto is a cesspool of foreigners. None of them know how to cross a road or maneuver a cross walk legally. And drivers pay the price.

There should be points system for the drivers.
commented 2018-06-24 04:00:20 -0400
That’s right… Grosvenor Street, off the circle, leading to the Princess Margaret Hospital…
commented 2018-06-24 02:35:12 -0400
Of course these groups will not discuss the ACTUAL problem, SMARTPHONES!
commented 2018-06-24 02:33:27 -0400
Andrew Stephenson in the past Edmonton mayor Smith(a socialist) demanded more lighted crosswalks in Edmonton when the number of people hit in them was increasing, they put them in way too many places. At this time Calgary has only 2 of the lighted crosswalks and they had the same amount, adding more crap does not always solve problems.
commented 2018-06-24 02:28:20 -0400
Andrew Stephenson it is also more efficient and saves idling time to turn right on a red.
commented 2018-06-24 02:27:42 -0400
Andrew Stephenson some pedestrians and cyclists need to pay attention as well, and these new bike lanes are not used much at all and they make you have to know what is happening in multiple directions.
Also some pedestrians sit near crosswalks and then suddenly go for no apparent reason. It is a 2 way street.
commented 2018-06-24 02:25:14 -0400
Ted Tadright funny how the useful idiots dismiss foiled plots as meaningless , the same idiots do not realize that Homeland Security has stopped many plots as well.
commented 2018-06-24 01:31:27 -0400
Tammie, you’re right; the Lying Demented Leftard Traitor Media regularly carry stories of attacks on people and property with no names divulged, and never follow up to find out the names; not hard to figure out why; they are protecting cultures they are ideologically committed to bringing into Canada because it makes them feel morally superior. Also, ‘Andrew’ ignores my mention of the over 1400 young white girls serially and repeatedly raped by Muslim rape gangs in Britain while comfortable jerks like him pretend the real problem is right hand turners. Well, maybe some of them are part of the problem, and I don’t mean ones who learned to drive in Canada, where we have (or had) safety standards and human life has (or had) value, unlike many countries from where we are receiving, well, it’s anybody’s guess. It’s enough to make you feel like upchucking your breakfast when you consider what is at stake. But to ‘Andrew’ and his ilk, it’s just a big joke. HaHa, eh ’Andrew"?
commented 2018-06-24 01:10:40 -0400
Ted, I agree, and, would add the media have now resorted to hiding Islamofascist crime.
commented 2018-06-24 01:02:52 -0400
‘Andrew’,

You ignore my first two paragraphs completely to come up with you bogus ‘analysis’. If not for the policing authorities foiling the terrorists, hundreds of people would likely already have been killed in Parliament and on a VIA train derailed into the Niagara Gorge. Likely more than 400 people killed. And that would ALREADY HAVE HAPPENED, not sometime in the future, if the terrorists had their way. Why can’t you learn from Europe and Britain, and see the writing on the wall? Why are you so determined to see Canadians subjected to the same horrors now being experienced by our fellow suckers across the pond?
commented 2018-06-24 00:20:11 -0400
“Robert Hewgill commented 22 mins ago
If the light is red the stupid pedestrians and bike riders aren’t suppose to be crossing the street against a red light. If they get run over it’s their own fault. "
If they’re crossing with the light, though? That’s the other problem. Left turns are more of a problem with this but it happens with right turns as well, and turners cutting off cyclists – who are legally allowed to proceed through- is also a real problem.

“Right turns on a red light are not the problem. WAKE THE HELL UP, IDIOT!!! "

Actually, you’re somewhere around 200x more likely to die by a car making a right turn on a red (13% of ~3000 pedestrian deaths in the last decade, or 400) than by Islamic terrorism (2). Keep your priorities straight, capslocked namecalling doesn’t change simple facts.

Then the gawd damn light is green, not red, and get the gawd damn bikes off the road, because I run those SOB’s off the road every chance I get. One of those SOB’s made the mistake of giving me the finger one time, and that;s biggest mistake he ever made. You mess with me, and I’ll get you.
commented 2018-06-23 23:57:18 -0400
“Peter Babich commented 1 hour ago
Drivers aren’t looking at pedestrians and cyclists.”
They should be, it’s their responsibility to be. If you can’t do that, you shouldn’t be driving. I agree that the Peds and cyclists should do the same, if only because drivers are incapable of paying attention, but they do have the right of way.

“Robert Hewgill commented 22 mins ago
If the light is red the stupid pedestrians and bike riders aren’t suppose to be crossing the street against a red light. If they get run over it’s their own fault. "
If they’re crossing with the light, though? That’s the other problem. Left turns are more of a problem with this but it happens with right turns as well, and turners cutting off cyclists – who are legally allowed to proceed through- is also a real problem.

“Right turns on a red light are not the problem. WAKE THE HELL UP, IDIOT!!! "

Actually, you’re somewhere around 200x more likely to die by a car making a right turn on a red (13% of ~3000 pedestrian deaths in the last decade, or 400) than by Islamic terrorism (2). Keep your priorities straight, capslocked namecalling doesn’t change simple facts.
commented 2018-06-23 23:53:25 -0400
Oh gimme a break!… Every town and city in Canada is now a scene of pedestrians jaywalking while their heads are buried in an iPhone, while bicyclists think thy can bob and weave to their heart’s content and obey the rules of the road, but only “when it suits them”… Eliminating right turns at red lights is a sign of these times – i.e. “accommodate the scofflaws” rather than hold them to account…
commented 2018-06-23 23:29:21 -0400
If the light is red the stupid pedestrians and bike riders aren’t suppose to be crossing the street against a red light. If they get run over it’s their own fault.
commented 2018-06-23 22:57:47 -0400
Drivers aren’t looking at pedestrians and cyclists. They’re focused on other traffic. The cyclist and pedestrians should do the same
commented 2018-06-23 21:46:13 -0400
Off topic Trudeau tells native Americans he will protect the west coast . Does that mean Victoria will stop raw sewage flowing into the ocean ? No . But stopping right hand turns more important Yep this is Canadah .
commented 2018-06-23 21:28:56 -0400
Oh, to add to my earlier post, the cyclist who nearly committed suicide by reckless driving, had the nerve to threaten driver of the car and kicked the side of the car! Cyclists share the road and are expected to follow the laws too….a helmet and a bell doesn’t give them license to ignore traffic laws because they choose to pedal their way around the city.
commented 2018-06-23 21:23:07 -0400
could not stop laughing. what will the left wing ding dongs come up with next. victoria hates cars so come here. the idiotic, plastic bag ding dongs would love to have another anti-car law. left wing and common sense, wow could there be a bigger divide.
commented 2018-06-23 21:02:57 -0400
The idea that pedestrians and cyclists do not need to look out for cars and that they can break every rule, because the fault is always with the motorist is an ideology/religion that is costing the most lives.
commented 2018-06-23 21:00:30 -0400
“Meanwhile Islamic terrorism is a world-ending crisis even though it’s caused fewer deaths over the entire country over a much longer period of time?”

‘Andrew’,

Spoken just like liberals in denial in Britain and Europe a few years ago, when Adam Powell was warning them what was coming down the pike if they didn’t wake up, and fast. Now they have (patial list) Paris, Nice, Berlin, Cologne, Brussels, Barcelona, London, Manchester, London again, Muslim rape gangs preying on young white girls all over the UK, London ongoing murder and mayhem; does that seem reasonable to you?

How many innocent people would have died if the plot to storm Canada’s Parliament and behead the Prime Minister had not been stopped? Now many innocent people would have died if the Parliament shooter had not been stopped (besides the one he killed)? How many innocent people would have died if the plot to send a passenger train into the Niagara Gorge had not been stopped? Does any of that seem reasonable to you?

Right turns on a red light are not the problem. WAKE THE HELL UP, IDIOT!!!
commented 2018-06-23 20:32:49 -0400
Still hear crickets on the left pertaining to the silent scream from children who are exterminated from inside the womb.
Ultrasound images show the babies mouth opens wide as the needle pierces their heart to kill them