January 04, 2018

Debunking Notley’s “reckless” quest for $15 minimum wage

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Host | The Gunn Show

 

A new Bank of Canada study out late last month found that minimum wage hikes across the country could result in employment losses of 60,000 workers.

The study also showed that consumption of goods and services will be reduced slightly as higher inflation drives up costs, and this same inflation would more than offset the worker’s higher labour income.

CD Howe Institute’s analysis found that an estimated 25,000 of those 60,000 nationwide job losses, could happen here in Alberta.

In Alberta, Notley cranked the minimum wage up to $13.60 an hour in October, and it’s set to reach $15 per hour by October 2018.

In Ontario, Premier Wynne just increased the minimum wage from $11.60 all the way up to $14 per hour.

These hikes are always based on emotional manipulation and worst case scenarios.

The left wants us to believe every minimum wage worker is a single mom with one leg, raising 11 kids on a diet of donated Ramen noodles, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

Watch my video to see some real facts injected into the minimum wage discussion.

I’ll tell you who Canada’s minimum wage earners really are and why artificially raising their wages hurts them the most.

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commented 2018-01-08 21:10:52 -0500
Absolutely Robert, but it was those on the left I was thinking about who are just looking for confirmation with little foundation.
commented 2018-01-08 18:23:20 -0500
Don’t apologize Liza, your posts make sense and are usually good reading.
Same can’t be said for the Handy Andy’s post which are usually so convoluted that they make no sense.
Alas, having lived in the country, I like most of the people posting here can differentiate between truth and BS when we see or hear it!
commented 2018-01-08 12:05:05 -0500
I apologise Robert and to all reading, for playing Andrew’s pissing game. He/she thinks he can run out the clock, so to speak, by tearing others comments up with ‘Andrew’ point by point subterfuge. You could say the grass is green and he would tell you that there is actually more yellow than blue in it and in that blue primary colour there was actually a hint of red which adds a purple tone, NOT to mention the same touch of red in the yellow primary, when in reflective light and not shadow. It isn’t necessarily true, doesn’t make sense to anyone, it ‘runs out the clock’ and is designed to confuse people(or he really thinks he is making sense, it is hard to tell) Not much more than codswallop presented as the word of god, but does little more than stop the conversation and make posters give up and not counter him.

I needed some exercise and decided not to let him get away with it this time. Besides that and most importantly I didn’t want anyone reading (if anyone was) to be swayed with his misleading, inaccurate and /or deceiving reply..
As you have pointed out Robert, ‘for statistics, for every statistic proving one thing, there is another one proving that thing to be wrong.’
That reply would have done the job, is all he deserved and would have spared everyone this exercise in futility. Again, sorry guys.
commented 2018-01-08 09:32:52 -0500
Liza Rose,

Why argue and poinnt out the obvious to Andrew?
He is just another liberal Liberal hack with shite for brains.
Nothing anyone can say will make him change his mind.
As for statistics, for every statistic proving one thing, there is another one proving that thing to be wrong.
Remember when statistics proved that eating eggs on a regular basis was bad for you and then came the statistic that eating eggs was good for you. Which one is right?
Statistically very few Canadians voted for Dustbin Trudeau yet, who is the turkey leading our nation to ruination?
By the way, can anyone comment on whether or not the deal to buy Australia’s aged aircraft went through?
Hopefully, the Canadian government does not buy Bombardier jet fighters. Being a French company ( I know they are a québécois Canadian company ) but if they ever built a fighter aircraft, it would have the biggest reverse thrusters ever seen on any jet fighter!
commented 2018-01-08 02:33:49 -0500
No one is going to convince me that Alberta is doing okay. Alberta is not doing okay.

There is no migrant glut?, many disagree. You live in an alternate reality Andrew.
commented 2018-01-08 02:30:33 -0500
Regarding your rebuttal below that,
Participation in the labour market is 50% not 66%.
65.5% is 19.4 million “participants”, out of 29.3 million .
7% unemployment is removed from 19.4 million leaving us with 18.063
which is 50.3 % of 29.3 million.
I repeat, only half of all the Canadian population is even in the job market.
50.3%.

no one will convince me A
commented 2018-01-08 02:19:59 -0500
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/ten-year-end-facts-canadians-need-to-know

1) Andrew the fact remains that Canadians spend more on taxes than the necessities of life. Housing, food, clothing, 42.5 % of their income apparently. It is a year end fact. The article is titled, ‘Ten Year End Facts Canadians need to know.’
( By the way I see no use of the word ‘now’).

2) “81% seem to have lost eligibility for certain credits. This does not mean they are paying higher taxes,” Yeah it does, the government changed the rules so people are paying an average of $840 more per year. What makes you think they didn’t take into account any applicable offset credits?

3) Even if you want to use the Sept. number of 34% of lower income earners, (those in the bottom 20%) now pay higher federal income taxes because of the tax changes . Obviously the basic exemption has risen making them responsible for taxes they previously were not.

4) Come on Andrew,the carbon tax mandate is forced on the provinces federally and must meet Justin’s goals. Predate carbon tax? You mean like Wynne’s cap and trade(which raises retail prices of goods and services. Carbon tax raises taxes on them.) Whats your point, never mind.
Are you not aware that employers have to match an employees CPP contribution? That amount will be rising next year. It is a payroll TAX to the employer.
I/3 of Canadians did not make full use of the TFSA contribution, which means 2/3 did.

5) give me a break.

6) No one is saying the those who make more should not pay more, the article simply points out the high percentage to show the discrepancy.

7) The deficit, yeah you and Justin. It is outrageous and beyond comment. 20 billion this year alone.

8) Federal net debt increased to $727 billion in 2016-17 , Provincial net debt $633 billion, none of which is ‘moderate’ debt, and I can tell you it IS not only bad it is a disgrace.

9) All I know is each Canadian is responsible for a shite load more debt thanks to liberal governments, a point which you may dispute if you like. I am exhausted and I am sure everyone id bored to death.

10) infrastructure is used by the liberals to rape and pillage. It is basic money laundering.
commented 2018-01-07 18:43:30 -0500
liza rosie commented 2018-01-07 17:32:31 -0500
Andrew you might want to check this out. (thanks Tammie for posting it in another thread)

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/ten-year-end-facts-canadians-need-to-know

Ten year-end facts Canadians need to know
— December 21, 2017

Except a lot of these “facts” are misleading.. Let’s go through them
1) Taxes exceed housing expenses etc. Use of “now” is misleading – this statistic has been true for nearly 50 years and is not novel.

2) 81% seem to have lost eligibility for certain credits. This does not mean they are paying higher taxes, and in particular the Fraser INstitute seems to be ignoring offsetting credits that have gone into place. Some of this is also apparently inflation driven rather than a direct tax hike.

3) This number seems suspect, and doesn’t agree with their own report from Sept which puts the number at 34%, not 61. Again seems to be in-principle, rather than in practise – losing eligibility for a certain credit is meaningless if you were, and remain, below the basic exemption as I strongly suspect more than 40% of the bottom 20% do.

4) Carbon taxes are provincial and several versions predate Trudeau, most people didn’t use the full TFSA limit or own small businesses, and the CPP premium isn’t a tax.

5) No, in fact, Canada’s not uncompetitive. We are, relative to the US, but that’s not broadly true. And, there are other considerations beyond taxes whereby people decide where to live. If you’re going to move to the US, it’s more likely that market size is the attractor, not taxes. And, that’s assuming you can get a work permit under the current administration, which aims to cut back sharply on the H1Bs the typical Canadian enters on.

6) This is literally no tax system where the wealthy don’t pay more. Even if you went out and collected a simple 100 dollars from everybody, the poor might not have the hundred bucks to pay.

7) Yes, the deficit is greater than promised. Whether this is good or bad is a matter of opinion. Debt is growing slower than GDP regardless.

8) Yes, debt is increasing, but is still relatively low by global standards. 31% is half what it was in the 90s, even though it did increase sharply in the last decade (with the majority of that predating Trudeau, incidentally). Again, it’s a matter of opinion whether moderate debt is good or bad, or whether current levels are bad.

9) This qualification (no wars or recessions) make this factoid meaningless. How many non-placeholder PMs actually fall into this category?

10) This particular pigeonholing of deficit spending is a bit misleading, since it assumes you can attribute specific revenue or borrowed dollars to specific spending projects – when both feed into and draw from the same general revenue pool. In fact proposed infrastructure spending exceeds the proposed deficit, you could just as easily claim 125% of the 100b deficit is being spent on economically productive projects, and it’s no less true since again dollars can’t be traced.
commented 2018-01-07 17:39:18 -0500
“Now the problem is, the number of participants of the labour market is dropping fast. The latest report cited that this is the lowest number in the 15 years of data that StatsCan provides – only 65.5%. That’s only 19.4 million “participants”, out of 29.3 million eligible Canadians. The 7% unemployment is removed from that number, leaving us with 18.063 million employed Canadians. That’s 50.3% of the population in case you’re curious.”

66% participation is actually pretty decent. The high water mark, seen in the early 90s and again in 2004, was just under 68%. In fact it’s surprising it’s as high as it is, since it indicates the Boomers aren’t retiring as fast as they were expected to. The 50% number is suspect – 66 minus 7 is 59, not 50. The latter number includes under-18s, which is obviously misleading.

The actual employment rate is in the 61-62% range, which again very close tot he long term average. It has never exceeded 64%, except in Alberta mid-boom, when it was closer to 68% (but Alberta’s got a very young population and is helped by demographics a great deal).

“In the latest stats can info, almost an equal number of part time jobs were created to the full time lost.”

In the year trailing, Canada net-created just over 400k full time jobs, and about 30k part-time ones. This statistic is quite obsolete – as I pointed out, it really took off in early 2017 and most of the gains occurred after this article was published.

“Only 50 % of Canadians work in this country and that number isn’t taking into account this years migrant glut.
There is no way Canadians should swallow what Justin is attempting to sell, we know it isn’t an accurate reflection, and that is a kind way of saying it.”

There isn’t a migrant glut. The workforce grew by 200k – almost entirely by immigration as our domestic workforce is no longer growing due to demographics, thuugh participation rate did increase slightly alongside. We created 400k jobs. This is not a long-term sustainable trend as we’ll run out of slack in the labour pool within a year or two at that rate. Much below 5% – at current rates, we’ll cross that by summer- and you start running into labour shortages.

It is not surprising you cite a 2016 article. Anything more recent is hard to spin negatively.
commented 2018-01-07 08:42:27 -0500
Our government is intent on bringing in all these so-called refugees to meet the needs of minimum wage jobs such as restaurants, Tim Horton, McDonald and so on.
The only new jobs being created were those created with the opening of new Tim Horton restaurants and there will be fewer new restaurants in the future.
But now, our other levels of government are introducing higher minimum wage rates. This will force the eventual reduction of these minimum wage jobs due to closure of businesses that cannot operate profitably while trying to pay these wages.
There is no reason why Tim cannot install a bank of machines that will dispense beverages, and others that will prepare meals. It is just a matter of time and innovation.
And the level of service will only deteriorate since most of these low skilled, poorly educated refugees cannot speak either of the official languages.
Also, given the cultural personal hygiene standards that the new arrivals possess, I am not sure that I would want to eat anything prepared by these semi literate workers.
The North American culture views personal hygiene quite differently than the middle eastern cultures.
commented 2018-01-07 00:39:30 -0500
This article is from 2016, but it explains how the stats are being presented and the whole truth tells a different story than only a small part of the truth.
https://betterdwelling.com/only-50-of-canadians-have-jobs-the-unemployment-pandemic/#_
‘Only 50% Of Canadians Have Jobs, The Unemployment Pandemic’

….and with all of the unskilled labour Justin is importing that will only get worse. The min, wage is on a climbing scale, payroll tax rise hasn’t kicked in yet and isn’t reflected this year. Private sector jobs will decline, and more companies will leave for the U.S. It is inevitable.

Where will all these foreign migrants work Andrew, never mind all the Canadians who won’t have jobs. We are just not creating that many. A detailed cross section of those no longer participating in the work force would help give some perspective to Justin’s spin.

“Now the problem is, the number of participants of the labour market is dropping fast. The latest report cited that this is the lowest number in the 15 years of data that StatsCan provides – only 65.5%. That’s only 19.4 million “participants”, out of 29.3 million eligible Canadians. The 7% unemployment is removed from that number, leaving us with 18.063 million employed Canadians. That’s 50.3% of the population in case you’re curious.”

In the latest stats can info, almost an equal number of part time jobs were created to the full time lost. Many new employment was in service, and as far as the public sector stats go, last year was when they did their exorbitant hiring, this year that remained steady and made it look as though private sector jobs were a bigger contributor. The way they skewed Alberta is a bloody crime. Give me a break. How many have had their pogy run out and given up, sold everything, moved or taken two minimum wage service jobs to try to scratch out a living? Who is on welfare, who is living under a tree?

Only 50 % of Canadians work in this country and that number isn’t taking into account this years migrant glut.
There is no way Canadians should swallow what Justin is attempting to sell, we know it isn’t an accurate reflection, and that is a kind way of saying it.
commented 2018-01-06 14:41:38 -0500
Drew Wakariuk commented 2018-01-06 03:22:26 -0500
Andrew black unemployment is at its lowest rate in 17 years under Trump, so how come you scrutinize that stat and accept this one?

I never disagreed with the American number. What I did was point out that their unemployment has been steadily dropping for almost a decade (0.6-0.8% a year, typically, since 2010). The gains under Trump are not out of line with the gains under most of Obama’s term. In fact they’ve slightly slowed.

Canada’s unemployment has been a lot “lumpier”. The drop in 2017 was not preceded by steady growth – it had been stagnant at about 7% from roughly early 2013 until early 2017, when it suddenly dropped nearly 1.5% in a year. This is actually close to twice the gain the US experienced in the same period.

“Andrew sorry need to go deeper in the tweet.
”https://twitter.com/albertacantwait/status/949463223207583745">https://twitter.com/albertacantwait/status/949463223207583745"

Yes, Alberta was indeed in dire straights several years ago. That no longer seems to be the case. Their surge in 2017 occurred well after the information invoked int hat tweet. (why are they invoking 2-3 year old data?)

“Mark Chadwick commented 2018-01-05 22:30:48 -0500
Andrew listen to little potato explain how these job and unemployment figures are determined . This will increase inflation across the board and then they can raise the tax on booze and smokes . So basically a tax increase . This minimum wage will hurt the poor the most . Do you think Wynne Nutty or Spud really give f—k ? For if you do you are as dumb as the ones that voted for Trudeau .”

So we’re told. I don’t see a lot of evidence that that’s what actually happens. Even if Tim Hortons revokes paid breaks, the average worker is still ahead. Minimum wage labour is a pretty small piece of the pie, so the inflationary pressures are fairly low – it might add a one-off 3-5% surge, but to the minimum wage worker that just got a 25% raise, they’re again… well ahead.

Sin taxes are discretionary and pretty easily avoided.

“The USA are cutting taxes so anyone looking for a place to do business is not going to stay in Canada . Good luck to the younger generation , As for Tim Horton’s being the bully , more like Wind bag is the bully . Liberals will not listen to anyone . That is why Gontario is in so much debt and hydro rates are the highest in the world . I don’t believe their job report period . "
The US is also putting up trade barriers, which means that anybody that does business outside the US probably won’t be lured in. It might have worked were the US still economically dominant, but today most of the pie lies outside. In fact Canada’s more permissive attitude towards international commerce has lead us to benefit directly from Trump’s barriers – a large part of our growth in the last year has been due to increased activity of frequently US-registered companies shifting to our friendlier business climate.

The younger generation will be fine, even in Canada. The US, at 4% unemployment, has a very simple problem – there’s nobody qualified to hire, they all have jobs already. They rely on Mexicans and H1Bs to fill the gap, and they’re cutting those off. So, guess what? companies open Canadian offices, and WE get all the ancilliary jobs associated with those operations.

The superlatives about Ontario’s debts are a consequence of Canada’s uniquely decentralized government structure rather than a comment on operating proficiency. There simply aren’t any real comparables – compare Canada to most European countries, for example, which have minimal “subnational” government, if any at all (What’s Ontario’s equivalent in the UK? There isn’t one). Comparing within Canada, once you normalize for population, Ontario’s kinda bad, but actually better than Quebec or Manitoba both of which have major debt bombs in their respective Hydros.
commented 2018-01-06 03:22:26 -0500
Andrew black unemployment is at its lowest rate in 17 years under Trump, so how come you scrutinize that stat and accept this one?
commented 2018-01-06 03:10:15 -0500
Andrew government created jobs do not make the economy. You are sadly delusional.
commented 2018-01-05 22:30:48 -0500
Andrew listen to little potato explain how these job and unemployment figures are determined . This will increase inflation across the board and then they can raise the tax on booze and smokes . So basically a tax increase . This minimum wage will hurt the poor the most . Do you think Wynne Nutty or Spud really give f—k ? For if you do you are as dumb as the ones that voted for Trudeau .
The USA are cutting taxes so anyone looking for a place to do business is not going to stay in Canada . Good luck to the younger generation , As for Tim Horton’s being the bully , more like Wind bag is the bully . Liberals will not listen to anyone . That is why Gontario is in so much debt and hydro rates are the highest in the world . I don’t believe their job report period .
commented 2018-01-05 20:30:16 -0500
Interesting that this was published the day BEFORE a record breaking jobs report was released. Canada’s unemployment in December was the lowest ever recorded, and 400,000 jobs created in the year trailing. That’s two new jobs for every new worker – unemployment dropping relentlessly over the last year. Even Alberta’s surpassed its pre-recession employment numbers.

Take away the 60k jobs, and we’re still well ahead.

Tim’s has a PR nightmare on its hands with the owners taking it out on the workers. HQ knows this. The franchisees have basically handed Kathleen Wynne a nice little present with a bow on top, Joe Citizen will side with the workers.
commented 2018-01-05 18:36:03 -0500
Dan Mancuso, exactly right! It looks to me like Dief the Chief was the last decent PM Canada has had to date.
I never thought of Pierre as ‘covert’ but compared to Justin he was. Justin doesn’t care who knows he’s a commie.

Frankie, how did Trump get companies and small business to start raising wages and giving bonuses withour being mandated to? I am talking in the past few months.

I’m scared to look Tammie. I will check it out.
commented 2018-01-05 15:08:18 -0500
The sad reality in Ontario at least is part-time nursing positions are used widely instead of full-time positions. This means few or no benefits.
commented 2018-01-05 15:05:38 -0500
When Marxist ideologues at restaurant chain decided to take 50% of servers tips instead of the average 15% this created a lot controversy. This new policy was thrust upon servers last summer, managers at this restaurant were now getting a portion as well….servers were being screwed! Previously, servers gave 15% of their tips to back of the house employees, which is reported to have been very reasonable.

I stopped going there, quite a few servers decided to move on according to reports in the media.
commented 2018-01-05 14:33:57 -0500
People have claiming gloom and doom with every increase to minimum wage since the 1980’s and yet everyone got used to it and it became the norm with the sun still rising every day. When the dust settles with this increase, it will be exactly the same as when minimum wage became 10 dollars.
commented 2018-01-05 14:32:49 -0500
The goal of increasing minimum wage is to kill off jobs and to put private companies out of business.
commented 2018-01-05 14:21:08 -0500
- Socialism has been a failure wherever it’s been tried but “progressives” still push for it. Their policies are no different – “green” energy, the fight for 15, etc. Just because they’ve failed everywhere else won’t stop “progressives” from proclaiming them to be successful & implementing them anyway.
commented 2018-01-05 13:43:34 -0500
These minimum wage hikes are unaccountable back door tax grabs. The employees make more, therefore they pay more provincial income tax. The Ontario allowable tax credit is just over $10 K. Divide that by a full time workers 2000 yearly hours and you get $5 per hour. Disgusting and hypocritical for govt to claim an employee’s need of $14 per hour of pay to live yet charge an income tax as soon as they reach a $5 an hour threshold.
commented 2018-01-05 12:57:52 -0500
Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt,

So you are cheap.

Servers were often making shitty tips even prior to the minimum wage and in many cases had to share those tips with the rest of the staff, so even when you left a good tip, it didn’t always go into the server’s pocket – everyone would get their cut.

So no, a server won’t make a better hourly wage than an ER nurse and certainly doesn’t get the benefits of a ER nurse either.
commented 2018-01-05 12:34:53 -0500
So, a server at restaurants making the new minimum wage plus tips, at my current tipping practice of between 15% – 20% & I’m not the only one seated and ordering ,this person stands to makes a better hourly wage than an ER nurse….nope, doesn’t make sense me! So yes, I will reduce my tip.
I will already be charged more to order off the menu in order to cover increase in minimum wage, increased payroll expenditures for business owners plus the increased heating costs to keep the restaurant warm, & carbon taxing on natural gas for the ovens etc…. we are way over taxed in this country!
commented 2018-01-05 12:27:52 -0500
The chimera Notley and her comrades are promoting in this treacherous and treasonous NDP machination, is just another plank in the Marxist’s platform of destruction-from-within, of all Western, sovereign nations.
Canada has been a covert fascist nation since the Pearson/Trudeau cabal forced socialism on us back in the 80’s.
Today in Justin’s Post National Canada, it’s moving from Pierre’s covert fascism to Justin’s overt fascism – and naked Globalism!
We are being force-marched down that road today…and with the help of all the useful idiots.
Oh Canada…