June 03, 2016

Democratic Reform: Liberals tinker with committee make-up, still won’t give Canadians final say

Brian LilleyArchive

Press stories that Justin Trudeau’s Liberals are softening on the question of allowing a more democratic process on electoral reform, are greatly exaggerated. In fact, they’re down-right untrue. 

As I explain in my commentary, the minor adjustments the Liberals have made to the composition of the committee really only amount to more input from other lefties so like pipeline consultations, it’s just a bunch of people with the same opinion deciding an issue for everyone else.

Besides, the composition of the committee is just a red herring when the real issue is whether or not Trudeau will give Canadians the final say with a referendum once they have decided on an alternative voting system.

Watch my video to see what prompted Interim Conservative Party Leader, Rona Ambrose to say that Justin’s comment on the value of referendums is “one of the most arrogant and elitist things I’ve ever heard”.

As always, remember to sign and share our petition at LetUsVote.ca if you feel as the vast majority of Canadians do that any change MUST be put to the people in a referendum.

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commented 2016-06-05 19:42:12 -0400
Rick, if the people don’t show up to vote, they have voted.
commented 2016-06-05 14:43:35 -0400
What if the Liebranos push through the electoral “reform” a – la Hitler in the 1930’s and no one shows up to vote? Will it even matter as either way the Liebranos will have their dictatorship? Removing them will be difficult!
commented 2016-06-05 14:40:59 -0400
SEAN PENSON proclaimed: “We already had our say, last October; referendum is not needed”

Out come the dictatorial tyrants!
commented 2016-06-05 09:21:20 -0400
In 1933 the German people had there say, then it was progressively taken out of they hands, referendum is needed.
commented 2016-06-05 06:19:17 -0400
We already had our say, last October; referendum is not needed
commented 2016-06-05 02:17:44 -0400
John S if we do that then why should every seat not be divided the same way in every riding? It will make for a never ending battle of complaints. Of course you are not smart enough to grasp.
commented 2016-06-04 19:55:04 -0400
ruedope not allowing the boat of the Canadian people shows that it’s believed the Canadian people wouldn’t agree with him. When it comes to important matters, why let the people vote, they might mess up what’s good for the liberal party, can’t have that.
commented 2016-06-04 16:27:03 -0400
I hope Trudeau’s reform with the NDP the Greens and the Bloc can result in proportional representation because not only are all those parties well over 50% and even 65% based on the popular vote results but I hope they all try to bring up reasons why the subject can work. All the parties except the Liberals and the Conservatives want proportional and I hope the Liberals do step on board. It would lead to more parties and, in particular, smaller parties at that which would divide up the Conservative party and lead to hopefully sharing of power with coalitions after elections and Canadians would get better leadership. It would also force politics to the centre because Canadians would see that all legislation would be written in balanced ways. I do not see what the fuss is all about. The Conservatives only want to focus on the issue of the referendum which should only be allowed for constitutional matters and even May on CBC reiterated that allowing people’s votes to count is an issue of voting rights rather than constitutionality. Do not forget that other nations have changed their voting systems without a referendum. This proves the right wants to divide Canadians and misinform them. Canadians should be smarter than that.

Other blogs online have even shown that the right would want the splitting of Western Canada of those that live in the West and that shows that they do not want a system to change to allow for less partisanship because to me this is really a debate on which systems favours which party. The Conservatives know that with so many votes on the centre and the left and with a system of coalitions that the NDP and the Liberals would most likely form governments. I would actually support proportional if it removes money from politics so that any party even the Canadian Action party, the Progressive Canadian party and even the Libertarians and the other smaller parties have a serious chance to be on a level playing field. That would balance out the system and end those chances of centre-left to centre governments from here to eternity. That is what people have to realize.

This whole debate that Rebel and the Conservatives want is on their terms when the NDP supporting the Liberals is to make the debate about the issues which I support and about truly and genuinely changing our electoral system. That is what Canada needs to end the hostility of politics and hopefully to lead Canada into a meritocracy.
commented 2016-06-04 15:58:54 -0400
if we have a vote on this the only way to control turdo and his party is first past the post,that is better than letting two wacko left parties from ruining Canada for ever. and mark some of us have been speaking up but we are ignored by the brain washed libtards or vilified, i have suggested to some of those lefties to read the rebel and see if they can realize what is happening to our country ,some have told me the rebel isn’t worth reading and they are not real reporters and for some reason have a hate on for Brian Lilly,the only news they want to hear is from turdo’s CBC
commented 2016-06-04 12:54:43 -0400
Maryam shut up.Canadians SPEAK UP!
Canada is supposed to be democratic.Yeah right.
commented 2016-06-04 12:12:24 -0400
Pretty obvious what is coming when the committee to write democratic reform is not democratically chosen nor representative of constituent demographics – and of course will be implemevted with majortiy whipped votes.

They are reforming democracy alright , but not like you think. Whatever is brewing in the control freak LPC backrooms is anti-democratic – tht has been the pattern with this insider elitist 1% cabal for half a century.

Changing the voting system without direct mandate is something worthy to bring down a regime. This is Alinski vote rigging in its purist form and if we were patriotic citizens there would be mass protests – but we have become a nation of sheep run by wolves.
commented 2016-06-04 10:28:11 -0400
The self proclaimed party of “oh my gawd, we are the very fabric of democracy” Liberals refuse to be democratic on the most essential the most critical issue of our democracy, how we vote in out representatives.

If a referendum actually stops something, then it was meant to be stopped because the people said so.

The Liberals have just admitted that they do not want the people to stop their electoral change, and that they are afraid the people will do just that.
commented 2016-06-04 10:13:57 -0400
Referendums are often used to stop things???
Justin, didn’t Butts spend enough time going over your talking points or didn’t you listen? Didn’t he say that it would be ill advised to reveal the real reason you don’t want the vote to go to the people? You ,Justin Trudeau just revealed yourself to any Canadians who are paying attention. You just admitted that it has always been your intention to ram what you call ‘electoral reform’ down our throats, without allowing any say from us. You just admitted that you have no trust in the outcome of a referendum giving you the result you desire, BECAUSE, you know the Canadian people will vote your reform dead in the water. You know you would lose, but you and your nasty little cohort Monsaf will force it on Canadians anyway. That is the definition of a dictator. Ambrose is right, you are an elitist, and you just admitted to the entire world that you are a dictator.
commented 2016-06-04 07:57:48 -0400
“…In fact, they’re down-right untrue. …”


Call it for what it is – A LIE!!! The libranos are LYING AGAIN!!!!

Is there face you are trying to save??? You are soft peddling libranos – they are LIARS!!!!
commented 2016-06-04 03:01:46 -0400
The lying, souless liberals are once again banking on the lethargic, uninformed and the stupid voters both those already on board as well as the ones they want to consult with to gain more votes to help them pull this scam. They are going to say that since they listened to the demands of the opposition and being so fair and righteous like they are they decided to give in and tweak the committee so now everything is hunky dory and there is no need for a referendum.
commented 2016-06-03 22:41:19 -0400
I wish that new stock Canadian, Maryam Monsef, would just hop the next camel train back to Kabul…
commented 2016-06-03 19:51:08 -0400
Papa Doc did not allow a referendum for the 1982 abortion of a constitution and told the people he would act unilaterally over them and their provincial governments. Baby Doc will do the same for balloting, it was probably the promise he made to Papa Doc while the latter was on his death bed. So of course he won’t have a referendum.

All we can hope for is that provincial governments that believe they represent their people are laying plans for a court challenge. That would be Wall, or Wall, maybe Wall. Or the NGO’s like the tax payers federation, centre for constitutional rights and freedoms. Only a legal challenge will force a referendum.

Another tactic would be a Balkanization where each province holds a referendum, then a court challenge. That would be Saskatchewan and maybe BC.

Or we just say screw the federation and concentrate on true Balkanization by focussing on electing provincial governments that also say screw the federation.
commented 2016-06-03 19:31:31 -0400
Giving Canadians’ say on this “reform” would be so un-dictatorial! EL BOW desires permanent Liebrano rule. That is why they are refusing to allow voters to decide this issue!