November 06, 2017

Democrats use Texas church shooting to push “draconian” gun control

John CardilloRebel Host | Off The Cuff


Democrats and progressives didn’t waste a second politicizing the slaughter of 26 innocents at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

However, we cannot allow progressives to push draconian public policy based on ignorance and statism.

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commented 2017-11-09 19:02:39 -0500
@Andrew and other trolls….Just as all of the millions of Jews in Israel are NOT going to pack up and move to Miami…the gun owners of the United States ARE NOT going to surrender to being unarmed…

MOLON LABBE
commented 2017-11-08 08:53:18 -0500
Oh boy, “Atmospheric heat retention is something we can affect, and market based mechanisms are the simplest way to do so.”
This mechanism as you call it is another tax grab by governments, it is theft.
commented 2017-11-08 00:06:43 -0500
Al Peterson commented 7 hours ago
Andrew, you again go off on a long tirade but again you ignore the pesky little facts. Those would be that most of the murders in the US happen in Democrat strongholds like Chicago, DC, LA, etc."

That’s a consequence of their population. Look at murder rates. The top 5 are St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, and Newark. Three of those cities lie in states Trump won. Chicago is 6th, and DC is 8th, but right between them lies Milwaukee (WI; Trump). LA in particular is actually well down the list.

“liza Rosie commented 10 hours ago
How do they try to stop background checks ?
That needs to be fixed so it never happens again, who would object to background checks working efficiently”

That’s the question, isn’t it? The simple answer is, basically any of the politicians who are supported, directly or indirectly, by gun lobbyists, are extremely reluctant to do even cursory reform on gun laws. The NRA and second amendment advocates would rather there be no laws at all, actually … fixing the gaps in existing controls are not what they want. And they wield very substantial political power particularly, but not universally, among Republicans.

“liza Rosie commented 5 hours ago
Tammie, I keep forgetting Andrew is a she. Your post made me laugh, well done.
“refuses to acknowledge the sun doesn’t accept cash or credit for heating and cooling cycles on earth”
Priceless. "

Indeed, it illustrates jsut how totally she misses the point. Atmospheric heat retention is something we can affect, and market based mechanisms are the simplest way to do so.
commented 2017-11-07 19:01:38 -0500
Tammie, I keep forgetting Andrew is a she. Your post made me laugh, well done.
“refuses to acknowledge the sun doesn’t accept cash or credit for heating and cooling cycles on earth”
Priceless.

@Al Peterson,
“You want to use the national rate rather than break it down to a more meaningful level. Again, we need to ban Democrats since the cities who vote for them have the highest murder rates.”
Also priceless.
commented 2017-11-07 16:59:55 -0500
Andrew, you again go off on a long tirade but again you ignore the pesky little facts. Those would be that most of the murders in the US happen in Democrat strongholds like Chicago, DC, LA, etc.

You want to use the national rate rather than break it down to a more meaningful level. Again, we need to ban Democrats since the cities who vote for them have the highest murder rates. North Dakota doesn’t and has a lower murder rate than demographically similar Manitoba.

“For Chicago, we found that the violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon. According to NeighborhoodScout’s analysis of FBI reported crime data, your chance of becoming a victim of one of these crimes in Chicago is one in 110.

Significantly, based on the number of murders reported by the FBI and the number of residents living in the city, NeighborhoodScout’s analysis shows that Chicago experiences one of the higher murder rates in the nation when compared with cities and towns for all sizes of population, from the largest to the smallest."

This is where your lefty policies take a nation. Every problem is a spiritual problem but you want paper solutions. How’s it going in Chicago with some of the strictest gun control laws (paper) on the planet?
commented 2017-11-07 15:47:58 -0500
Liza, Andrew has already posted she is “misanthropic”
Synonyms for her ailment : antisocial, unsociable, unfriendly, reclusive, uncongenial, cynical, jaundiced, inhumane.

Now, Andrew has a few causes that she argues vehemently for – she is a transgender bathroom activist; refuses to acknowledge the sun doesn’t accept cash or credit for heating and cooling cycles on earth; supporter radical sex ed program championed by LPC and NDP – granting the State power to sexualize children via public education; compelled speech deemed appropriate by LGBTQ. Can’t forget electric vehicles, mewls about those whenever she gets the chance.

Leftist kook!
commented 2017-11-07 13:57:15 -0500
Your attempt to diminish what Stephen Willeford did as soon as he realised what was going on and well before the police arrived, is typical and pathetic. The shooter was dressed to kill literally, helmet body armor the works. He had many more guns and explosives in his car, and his day had only just begun when it was cut short by Willeford. You can dismiss this all you want, but the world knows what he did , and are grateful to him. This could have been worse than it already was had this shooter been able to carry on to his next target.
Johnnie Langendorff is also a hero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwYd2kIZxk4
I can completely understand why you cannot grasp that Andrew. Bravery is not a concept you get, instead you ridicule it because you are a coward and you want everyone else to be a coward with you. People like you are full of contempt and hatred for those who will stand up, because you can not.
commented 2017-11-07 13:53:59 -0500
@ Andrew Stephenson, “If anything, it illustrates the hazards of relying on reactive policy rather than proactive.”
Until you can get rid of every gun on the planet Andrew, what you say is meaningless as well as dangerous.
You will have to explain this ridiculous statement with some facts, “The gun lobby actively tries to prevent rigorous screening that keeps deadly weapons out of the hands of people deranged enough to use them.”
How do they try to stop background checks ?
This guy got a gun because of a lack of transparency between the military and civilian regulatory bodies. That needs to be fixed so it never happens again, who would object to background checks working efficiently? No gun owner. Objections come from incomplete laws, and laws that hamper decent people from owning a firearm, not from proper back ground checks. What you say is wrong.
commented 2017-11-07 12:42:41 -0500
liza Rosie commented 1 hour ago
Anyone who thinks like Andrew or Jay really need to see this interview with the HERO Stephen Willeford, who took out the Church shooter. This is the portrait of an average gun owner. Gun toting yahoo he is not!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4HEchh0XD8

I would reserve the term “hero” for someone who doesn’t show up AFTER nearly four dozen people had been shot. If anything, it illustrates the hazards of relying on reactive policy rather than proactive. This situation have never been to the point of needing a “hero”.

Let’s be realistic here. The shooter bought the weapon through legal channels, yet was not stopped. despite having known mental health issues. That would be too close to gun control, wouldn’t it? Perhaps being declined would have slowed him down, perhaps not. We’ll never know. But there’s some chance it would have, and this wouldn’t have happened in the first place. And … this keeps happening. The gun lobby actively tries to prevent rigorous screening that keeps deadly weapons out of the hands of people deranged enough to use them.
commented 2017-11-07 12:38:00 -0500
The shooter was a rabid atheist & SJW. The Democrats have yet to disavow him, so they own him. They want to disarm law abiding citizens so the only ones that have guns are criminals & police……….who they insist are hunting blacks for sport. It takes a Democrat to believe that’s a good idea.

So what set off the shooter? Video games? TV? Movies? Maybe it was the endless streams of anti-Christian, anti-Conservative rhetoric coming from the left.
commented 2017-11-07 12:31:00 -0500
“Al Peterson commented 11 hours ago

Actually, Andrew, the reality is that the US has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world but it does not have the highest murder rate. It is not even in the top 10. Not in the top 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 ,90 or even 100. And if we removed those gun free Democrat hotbeds like Chicago, DC., LA etc it would be even lower. So apparently the real problem is being a Democrat. Democrats should be banned or at least strictly controlled."

No, it’s not the worst in the world, but it’s by far the worst in the developed world. It’s 94th worst on this list, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate. Better than Sudan, but worse than Cuba, North Korea, or Iran. In general, not very nice places to live. You have to go a long way down that list to find any other developed nations

Among G7 nations (rank, murder rate in /100,000)
US – #94, 4.88
Canada, #158, 1.68
France #162, 1.58
United Kingdom, #183, 0.92.
Germany #188, 0.88
Italy , #192, 0.78
Japan, #212, 0.31

What can we interpret? That the US has a problem. A big one. Three times the murder rate of its next runner up, which is Canada. 16x the lowest on that list. Perhaps guns aren’t causing the crime, but they’re certainly not preventing it.

“North Dakota has 40,000 concealed carry permits. Manitoba next door has none- just the usual onerous and pointless canadian gun laws. North Dakota’s murder rate is half of Manitoba’s. ""

It’s not actually “half”. North Dakota’s rate is volatile due to its small population, but averages about 2.7 over a five year period (2012-16) vs Manitoba’s 3.9 (11-15). That being said, Manitoba’s rate is driven by Winnipeg’s North End (which would probably be even worse if they had guns – nothing goes together quite like FAS and guns), which has no equivalent in ND, a state having no major cities nor Western Canada’s troubled aboriginal legacy.

Since Canada’s firearms laws are nationally regulated, it makes sense to consider Canada as a whole. And, our national crime rate compares favourably to ND’s in isolation, and America’s as a whole. You’re more than welcome to provide the aggregate murder rates for concealed or open-carry states, but I suspect the outcome will be less flattering. That’s perhaps why they’ve cherry picked this pair comparing Canada’s worst to one of America’s best, considering (apparently) geographical proximity a better determinant than demographic similarity? ND vs Sask also works, and so does MN vs MB but those are the only pairs that do. (ME vs NB/NS/QC? Nope. QC vs NH/VT/NY? ON vs NY/PA/OH/MI/MN? Nope and nope. MT vs SK/AB/BC? Nope. BC vs ID? Mostly no, sometimes yes. BC vs WA/AK? Nope. YT vs AK? nope.) That’s 3, sometimes 4, pairs out of over 20 where the US jurisdiction is lower.
commented 2017-11-07 11:44:46 -0500
Anyone who thinks like Andrew or Jay really need to see this interview with the HERO Stephen Willeford, who took out the Church shooter. This is the portrait of an average gun owner. Gun toting yahoo he is not!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4HEchh0XD8
commented 2017-11-07 01:37:27 -0500
Andrew explain Switzerland then.
commented 2017-11-07 01:37:05 -0500
Andrew i see you ignore that another left wing atheist has went on a killing spree.
commented 2017-11-07 01:21:59 -0500
Jay , law abiding citizens do not, " end up buying firearms and shooting people dead, including babies and toddlers." as you say. If guns didn’t come into the U.S. from Mexico, and if the rules and laws already in place were efficiently used, there would be very few if any massacres like this one occurring in the first place. In this case, had the bureaucracies caught that this Church shooter was NOT legally privileged to have firearms, the attack he carried out might not have happened, although he still could have procured an illegal and or smuggled-in gun fairly easily and done the same thing. No amount of legal gun restriction or ban could address that situation. People like you seem to ignore the facts. The only thing that stops a shooter once he has a gun is another gun. I wish another gun could have taken this guy out before he did what he did.

Your comments Jay Kelly are as usual a misrepresentation of the situation.

I don’t want a wall between Canada and the States, but with our reckless PM, it will be all we deserve.
commented 2017-11-07 01:11:05 -0500
JAY KELLY
Lisa Rosie wants a wall between Canada and the United States so that those weapons will not get in here.
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Jay, I see the old reading comprehension still has you baffled. Liza Rosie said the US needs to build a wall with Canada because we are full of Jihadis. Here. I’ll quote it for you exactly:

“Then close the border to Canada (build another wall) because we are full of jihadi’s …”
Those three dots, are called an ellipsis. They mean that I did not quote the rest of the line. I thought it would be easier to understand with fewer words to distract you.
commented 2017-11-07 01:04:24 -0500
ANDREW STEPHENSON commented 5 hours ago
It’s odd, isn’t it? Gun enthusiasts insist guns are a great crime prevention mechanism, yet America’s crime rate seems a direct contradiction of that claim.
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Actually, Andrew, the reality is that the US has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world but it does not have the highest murder rate. It is not even in the top 10. Not in the top 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 ,90 or even 100. And if we removed those gun free Democrat hotbeds like Chicago, DC., LA etc it would be even lower. So apparently the real problem is being a Democrat. Democrats should be banned or at least strictly controlled.

North Dakota has 40,000 concealed carry permits. Manitoba next door has none- just the usual onerous and pointless canadian gun laws. North Dakota’s murder rate is half of Manitoba’s.
commented 2017-11-07 00:53:58 -0500
And then there is Vajay Jay………well, the incoherence in the post should say it all.
Is it comprehension, a learning disability, booze, drugs or combination of all that makes Vajay Jay post these perplexing and convoluted rants. Or maybe its just what Vajay Jay does………TROLLS!
commented 2017-11-07 00:42:08 -0500
LMFAO….All knowing Andrew has enlightened us again! Spoken like a true leftist regressive fucktard that only believes in the history of now, unless something in the past fits the narrative. According to all knowing Andrew, we are not sitting ducks. Well, not as of now.
Andy, its really very simple as past history has proven, when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. But lets not forget about tyrannical leftist regressive governments, those that are in favor of globalism or some other sects (islam) with the warped view of how this world should operate. You can feel free to put all your hopes and dreams in the control of the fore mentioned, but free thinking individuals would rather look after themselves. All I need to do is look at what is happening around this world and it becomes very clear of what is happening through the slow decay of morality. All any good person has to do is look at the who, what, where and why and things become very clear, and even clearer of what NOT to let happen to the good peoples of this country.
commented 2017-11-07 00:32:49 -0500
The young man who shot 26 people dead in the Texas church was law-abiding. Despite charges being laid years ago and his demotion in the military, he had no criminal record.

Sometimes we think that abortion kills the innocents. In the United States it is also firearms that kill young children.

Lisa Rosie wants a wall between Canada and the United States so that those weapons will not get in here. We can do better than that! We can ask ourselves how law-abiding United States’ citizens end up buying firearms and shooting people dead, including babies and toddlers.
commented 2017-11-06 21:22:14 -0500
Laws are only obeyed by the law abiding.
commented 2017-11-06 21:12:12 -0500
Sorry Andrew Stephenson, I don’t listen to anti-gun lectures from people who think it’s okay to kill a baby!
commented 2017-11-06 20:20:56 -0500
It seems that in this case the bureaucracy broke down and did not effectively do the job of keeping someone who was clearly not legally allowed to own a gun from attaining one. Ignorant people who want all guns banned need to stop virtue signalling and start looking at the facts. If they really wanted this sort of thing to stop they would take off their blinders.
Make sure the civilian and military bureaucracies share info, get control of the southern border, stop illegal guns coming into the country. That’s what they should be screaming about. Build that wall!

Why are Dems and our liberal prog’s so simple minded? Talk about brain deficit. They exhibit an extraordinary inability to connect the dots in order to deal with complex issues. Is it a sort of personality disorder I think, or maybe a psychosis.

If you are somewhere where it is legal to carry, carry ALL the time. These days, especially at church.

Not about guns, but I just heard they stopped enough Fentanyl, from entering the U.S. from Mexico, to kill everyone in a couple of states. You have to close up that border. Then close the border to Canada (build another wall) because we are full of jihadi’s now thanks to our PM and now as well, half your bad dudes fleeing Trump on the invite of Justin Trudeau. Canada will need to keep the guns that we have. Those crime statistics, Andrew, gun or otherwise are about to rise.
commented 2017-11-06 20:08:51 -0500
Just imagine how many more could have died if the neighbour did not challenge the shooter with his own gun.
commented 2017-11-06 20:02:00 -0500
“Carole Massé commented 2 hours ago
Americans, never ever give up your guns. Not in today’s politics and mass migration. Don’t be like us, the sitting ducks in Canada.”

We aren’t “sitting ducks”, considering how low our gun crime rate is.

It’s odd, isn’t it? Gun enthusiasts insist guns are a great crime prevention mechanism, yet America’s crime rate seems a direct contradiction of that claim.
commented 2017-11-06 19:57:53 -0500
Very good video, John Cardillo.
If this had happened in California, this guy would have killed more people, because there’d be no one to try to stop him.
commented 2017-11-06 19:39:53 -0500
Dems and sundry anti-American axe grinders, just come off as slimy, reactionaries with their reflexive hoplophobic caterwauling after every multi victim crime. This spate of gun ban hysteria is particularly absurd as the Texas shooting was stopped by an armed citizen doing exactly what the second Amendment was codified for – citizen armed intervention in the absence of law officers.