November 16, 2016

Did President-elect Trump’s talk of Keystone XL approval spook Trudeau Liberals?

Rebel Staff

President-elect Donald Trump has promised to approve the Keystone XL pipeline within his first 100 days in office. But are the federal liberals now flip flopping on their support for the pipeline?

You may recall that during our own federal election campaign last year, Keystone XL was the pipeline of choice for Trudeau and the Liberals, but things have changed and Trudeau now appears poised to approve TransMountain in BC and abandon support for Keystone XL.

According to Natural Resources Minister Jim Carr, the Keystone XL pipeline is no longer crucial for our oil exports. But that doesn’t make sense.

Watch as I explain how the Liberals are rationalizing this shift and offer my own theory about why they’re doing it.

I don’t think Justin Trudeau and the Liberals were really actually for Keystone XL, figuring their buddy President Obama and his heir-apparent Hillary Clinton would oppose it so they could virtue signal to Alberta and claim to be champions of the pipeline.

But oh, how quickly they flip-flopped with Trump’s election win.

What an embarrassment.

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commented 2016-11-29 13:07:39 -0500
Such an important 4 years in Alberta. There could almost not be a worse 4 years to get stuck with Notley in power there. Alberta needs to revolt against these traitors lock them all up for treason, breach of trust, fraud, and racketeering. Then form a new patriotic Alberta loving government that will truly make decisions that are in the best interests of Alberta and its people. Such as Wildrose / conservative combo team up working together for the province best interests. How this government gets away with doing so much that is hurtful and destructive to Alberta is sickening. We need to start holding governments to account for the things they do and say. To start with we could change the laws (parliamentary privilege) that protect and allow for MP’s and MPP’s to be obviously and outrageously dishonest libelous and defamatory for a start. Why should our elected officials be granted complete and total immunity for these things that really are crimes against the people that elected them? Why should we allow Notley and others to stand up in the legislature and tell us complete and total lies and not be held to account. They can sit there and say anything they want, fabricate statistics about the oil sands and climate change and how bad our air is etc etc. Why would we allow, actually encourage our elected officials to stand up and lie to us and be protected while doing it. This is ridiculous and they should all be held to account for what they say. Getting rid of the majority of parliamentary privilege would be a good start to holding governments to higher standards. We are also in desperate need of recall legislation obviously as well.
commented 2016-11-20 15:42:06 -0500
The larger ocean going tankers carry only crude oil, bunker oil,and feul oil (which is a low grade of deisel). More refined products like naptha, jet feul (a form of kerosene) and octane are carried in smaller tankers with clean purpose dedicated tanks. This is most often local traffic to places where raod transport is not practical to fill storage reservoirs. If there was a market in Asia willing to pay the transport premium rather than buy alternative crude from competitors and refine it themselves then the oil companies would do it.

The Imperial Oil refinery in Dartmouth is shut down and being dismantled. Other refineries and distribution systems in the region beat it in competition. There was not enough market within truck and rail distance to sustain it when cost of regulatory upgrades were factored in. Montreal closed down it’s refinery district and apparently is not interested in re-opening it. Oil refineries are a NIMBY thing…perhaps worse than pipelines. In the 20 years I have been in my own province more than half of the gasoline retailers have closed because they were unable to afford the new standard of storage tanks.

Octane sells for $55 a liter in Kinshassa in the Congo and if you could get a tanker trucks of oil through the hostile gauntlet you would be very wealthy.
commented 2016-11-18 21:26:53 -0500
Glen Craig—what your research said was finished products are only shipped short distances in pipelines. Exp. Seattle to Vancouver Airport.
With Limited Storage Life in mind, would there be any problem shipping gasoline from a Northern BC refinery to Asian markets?
commented 2016-11-18 14:21:03 -0500
I did some research on this and refined oil is not put any distance through a pipeline anywhere in the world. For one thing there are about 30 different refined products and many of them have a limited storage life.

Piplines are a one way FIFO inventory problem and fluctuations in the price of crude oil are hard enough to manage. You know what it costs to fill your gas tank so figure out what it would cost to fill a mile of pipeline with premium octane.

No…the IKEA furniture arguement just doesn’t fit this scenario. There is already enough refineries in Alberta to supply the demands of what is practical to deliver by truck to the consumer.
commented 2016-11-18 02:58:30 -0500
We should have a refinery in every province dedicated to that Province… Nobody can tell me that it’s not profitable enough when it’s refined 5000 miles away and pushed back through an expensive pipeline. We should turn this whole thing around and ship refined product into the US for resale in there and keep the profits ourselves..
But at the very least we should be refining product for ourselves while pushing Brent crude which is an upgraded product for sale to the US and international market.
commented 2016-11-17 13:35:19 -0500
I know 2 people that were high up in the oil industry, and I have asked them about building a modern huge refinery in Canada like Mulcair suggests, and they reply that a refinery is not profitable enough. I get 2% on my savings, so 8% is good enough for me and everyone I know.
In BC we have a pipeline going from Alberta to Wash. State, then fuel comes back to Vancouver Airport. This seems stupid, we need refineries in Canada.
As I said, I have talked with Oil Executives and it seems to me that a person doesn’t have to be too smart to be high up in that Industry.
commented 2016-11-17 13:13:40 -0500
Build the Keystone without Ottawa. Sounds good to me, except Notley and Mulcair have always said “Don’t send Refinery Jobs to the US.” Notley will not let it happen.
commented 2016-11-17 12:31:59 -0500
Trump will damage forestry and cattle and Butts and Trudeau will kill oil, gas and pipelines. Get set for recession.
commented 2016-11-17 11:41:30 -0500
They never ever supported it, they only appeared to do so because they figured under Obama and Hilary it was a safe bet never to go so they could appear to support it. The only portion left is in the states where he has no control. Notley is identical.
commented 2016-11-17 11:05:12 -0500
Trump is going to expose Trudeau for the incompetent man-child that he is!!
Trump won’t hold back and will put that little POS in his place!!!
commented 2016-11-17 10:47:17 -0500
Trudeau doesn’t reallly stand for anything other than photo ops and he would probably be fine with that ribbon cutting……it’s his Butts buddy who will have his panties in a knot.
commented 2016-11-17 10:17:19 -0500
Roger McAvoy commented – “Separation by all Canadian Provinces may be the only way we can conquer the liberal alliance, in essence tear it all down and rebuild with our freedom intact.”

The 500,000/year globalist voting block being imported by Ottawa and redistributed to to traditionally weak liberal ridings will make that an unlikely eventuality withing a year or two
commented 2016-11-17 10:02:46 -0500
Jay Kelly commented – “For Justin Trudeau, who is more the pragmatist than the idealist, the Keystone XL pipeline is high on the wish-list.”

Kelly , you’re so full of fecal back-up you should be flushed, How can you get realities so inverted? Are staring at the world trough a bath house mirror?

Trudeau is not a pragmatist, he and his father were socialist utopians, they are both globalists, hooked into the Laurentian fiscal elite – and they both hate the US and Alberta with a passion. If Trudeau approves XL, it will be grudgingly and only because he can’t withstand the political pressures against his refusal.
commented 2016-11-17 09:38:51 -0500
The communists can be routed out and dealt with once we are free of their influence, but we must break free first.

Don’t worry the perpetrators of this communist globalist intrusion into our Country will be brought to justice and their family names will be cursed and added to the annuls of Canadian history for generations to come.

Deborah, there is so much more at stake than the economy, the very freedoms and fabric of Canada is at stake, nothing less.
commented 2016-11-17 09:23:49 -0500
We’ll have to hog tie Notley and her babies when the oil starts to flow through the pipeline. I think it should go ahead in spite of all the white noise from our governments, who listen to paid for agitators, instead of doing what is right for the people. The NDP have given jobs to those agitators, and since they haven’t been elected, they should be removed from the tax payer trough. Notley is a liar and a traitor, and when the people who voted her in realize that they themselves are to blame for the destruction of our economy, I hope they tar and feather her.
commented 2016-11-17 09:23:31 -0500
Separation by all Canadian Provinces may be the only way we can conquer the liberal alliance, in essence tear it all down and rebuild with our freedom intact.
commented 2016-11-17 09:21:23 -0500
ALL of Canada has to get behind Alberta in their fight for nothing less than their and the rest of Canada’s freedom, the mainstream corrupted Canadian press will not tell you what is going on there so I implore all Canadians to search out the news for yourselves
commented 2016-11-17 03:33:07 -0500
Separation will free us from this lunacy.
commented 2016-11-17 02:59:35 -0500
LIZA ROSIE commented 2 hours ago
“As for can Alberta go ahead with XL alone with Trump? Why not? set a precedent – the resource is ours and the customer is ours, not Ottawa’s”, I like the sound of that Bill.
I like the sound of that too..
commented 2016-11-17 01:26:56 -0500
“As for can Alberta go ahead with XL alone with Trump? Why not? set a precedent – the resource is ours and the customer is ours, not Ottawa’s”, I like the sound of that Bill.
commented 2016-11-17 01:21:39 -0500
Jay Kelly LMAO! Yeah sure. And he is more idiot than anything else.
commented 2016-11-17 00:56:23 -0500
For Justin Trudeau, who is more the pragmatist than the idealist, the Keystone XL pipeline is high on the wish-list. Trudeau will do almost anything to get Trump to approve it.
commented 2016-11-17 00:27:55 -0500
I hope Trump scares the hell out of shitty pony, not like Justin could do a damn thing about it, selfies are not really strong weapons.
commented 2016-11-17 00:09:06 -0500
The good news, Leviticus, is that with Notley at the the helm Alberta is no longer a “have province” so the payouts will have to end. Killed the goose that laid the golden eggs.
commented 2016-11-16 22:46:30 -0500
Kevin G _ Harper was not played by the Globalists (he thought) He thought he could avoid them by forging stronger trade alliances inside the G20 – he was obsessed with trade but thought he could be selective – no rights abusers like China and he hated Putin???? Of course globalists and their financial institutions are at the top of the G20 pyramid and they want to transfer North American productivity to China so that was a major strike against Harper with the globalist elite – maybe his hawkishness towards Putin was way to get them of his back as Putin and free state Russia have been under attack by the globalists since he refused to allow them to control Russian economy with a IMF chartered central bank.

Harper is an enigma to me he seemed like a guy who wanted to do the right thing for Canada but when he saw the forces he was up against to keep our political and economic sovereignty , he folded and only did symbolic things to right the globalist wrongs – like cancelling Kyoto – if he wanted to free Canada from globalists interfering in our resource and energy sovereignty he would have pulled out of the climate change framework convention – that would have saved us all this carbon taxing grab and green energy plunder.

As for can Alberta go ahead with XL alone with Trump? Why not? set a precedent – the resource is ours and the customer is ours, not Ottawa’s
commented 2016-11-16 21:56:11 -0500
James Scott, I think that Harper was being played by the globalist cartel or is part of the globalist cartel. Too many signs point to the latter,ie: his links to the bohemian grove.. I mean don’t get me wrong, he was a great statesman and got us a lot more respect on the world stage and got us through the last rough spot in ’08, but he left a ton of stuff on the table.
I still think that he left western Canada hanging out in the breeze.

Lil’ tater will never ever see to western needs and he has made it his mission to destroy us on all fronts. This is personal.

Leviticus, I agree that separation is the only answer. Die standing, kneeling is for ………………
commented 2016-11-16 21:13:31 -0500
God. If private enterprise ran their companies like these Liberals run government they’d be in one heck of a mess.
Trudeau should be encouraging and fighting for all sorts of pipelines and distribution channels to get Canadian goods to market.
We can’t even get approval to put a pipeline between two provinces. In hind sight Harper should have been the dictator the socialists accused him of being and ordered them built.
But Trudeau is more focused on pleasing the SJW crowd and believing some theory of Social License. What a gong show…..Social License?!?!
commented 2016-11-16 19:53:42 -0500
$190 billion in payments to keep our colony status membership with club Canada..
Separation is the only alternative to this lunacy..!!
commented 2016-11-16 19:51:50 -0500
Alberta has paid more to Quebec can in transfer payments since 2009 than the total of our national debt to date..!!!
commented 2016-11-16 19:50:20 -0500
I hope Trump spooks the shit out of the nut bar from Que.