February 02, 2018

Does it matter who wins the Ontario PC Party leadership?

Eitan GilboordGuest Post

On March 9, Progressive Conservatives across Ontario will get to choose a new leader from a list of candidates, but according to party leadership rules, it may not make a difference who, ultimately, is tapped for the role.

Frontrunners for the election appear to be former Ontario PC MPP, Christine Elliott; anti-establishment former Toronto City Councilor Doug Ford; and Carolyn Mulroney, the inexperienced yet highly-electable lawyer who also happens to be a former Prime Minister's daughter.

And Postmedia chair Rod Phillips is also rumored to be interested in running. 

All of these candidates have their own unique “electability” factors, but since the rules surrounding this election were publicized, it’s become clear that it may not matter at all who wins the leadership role.

The Leadership Election Organizing Committee (LEOC) recently released its election rules – and it contains an interesting point. Under section 5-c's “Eligibility” requirements, the rule states:

No person shall be a Candidate unless he or she… supports the aims, principles and objects of the Party and the policy resolutions adopted at the Constitutionally-mandated 2017 policy process, and so confirms in the prescribed form

That rules in accordance with section 18.7 of the Ontario PC Party constitution which requires that candidates base their election campaign platform on the adopted policy from an annual policy conference.

Recommended Resolutions passed at annual Policy Conferences shall constitute the foundation on which Party policy and legislation is developed until the next Policy Conference. 

This could mean that whoever wins the election will, more or less, have to campaign during the general election on Patrick Brown's “People’s Guarantee” platform which supports the very unpopular “carbon pricing” (i.e. carbon tax).

When Patrick Brown first announced his support for “revenue neutral carbon pricing," his audience was horrified. People present in the room were actually jeering him.

Yet the PC Party members still voted to adopt Brown’s platform, and therefore could be constitutionally required to uphold it.

Of course, Doug Ford already announced on radio that he would “consider reversing the carbon tax.”

When pressed, Ford said, “a tax is a tax is a tax is a tax.”

Even Christine Elliott has mentioned being against a carbon tax. 

So, one would think that regardless of what a piece of paper mandates, Doug, or any leader, could always just ignore that policy.

And I hope they do.

Because if this leadership election culminates in everyone agreeing on policy, then – to cite Hillary Clinton's infamous phrase, "what difference, at this point, does it make who wins?" Sure, there are arguments to be made about the electability of different candidates, who they appeal to and who has the most name recognition.

But the point of politics shouldn’t just be “electability.” Politics should, at its core, be about bettering the lives of those around us. Conservatives and Liberal-NDP leftists disagree philosophically on the best way to improve people’s lives. That’s what an election should be about, ideas, not "electability" factors approved by a campaign strategists and focus groups. 

What’s the point in having a Conservative party, if you’re not conservative? If you want Liberal-lite because a candidate is more “electable” than just go ahead and vote Liberal.

I’m not arguing you have to be a traditional conservative on every issue, but being Liberal-lite is a wholly different story.

Whoever wins the leadership election must pledge to withhold support for an increase in taxes, and that includes the dangerous Trudeau-Wynne carbon tax.

And if a real conservative does win, then I hope he or she doesn't honour the Liberal-lite policies of Brown’s platform.

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commented 2018-02-13 10:05:45 -0500
Hypocrisy at it’s best. Here are the principles of the Ontario PCs. http://www.ontariopc.com/OurParty/StandFor

The following are the aims and principles of the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party:

(a) We believe in freedom of speech, worship and assembly, in loyalty to Canada and to the Monarch of Canada and in the rule of law. (b) We believe that government should serve the people and that progress requires a competitive economy, which, accepting its social responsibilities, allows every individual freedom of opportunity and initiative and the peaceful enjoyment of the fruits of his or her own labour. © We believe in the ethical and accountable execution of the business of government. (d) We believe that the interests of Ontario are best served by a strong, united and democratic Canada. (e) We believe that economic freedom, entrepreneurial spirit and the right to private property are essential to economic prosperity and political freedom. (f) We believe in the values of the family which encourage tolerance and mutual support. (g) We believe that social justice entails equality of opportunity, including fair and equal treatment for all Ontarians and the provision of support to those in need. (h) We believe in and accept our responsibilities for the preservation of Ontario’s heritage and cultural diversity and the conservation and renewal of our environment for present and future generations. They believe in Freedom of Speech, yet they support the continued existence of the Ontario Human Rights Commission.

They believe that government should serve the people, yet tolerate whipped votes in the legislature.

They believe in a competitive economy, yet support the continued closed marketing of dairy and poultry products and the monopoly on beer and liquor sales.

They believe in the ethical and accountable execution of the business of government, yet continue to rig their own nomination processes.

They believe in the right to private property and say it is essential to economic prosperity and political freedom, yet they raised their hands and voted for environmental legislation that makes a mockery of property rights, and, they refused to entertain any serious discussion of property rights legislation.

They believe in the values of the family which encourage tolerance and mutual support, yet all their MPPs (except one) voted for the removal of “mother” and “father” from legislation.

They believe that social justice entails equality of opportunity, yet (see above) tolerate rigged party nominations, and have not spoken out against government hiring and promotional processes that violate that principle.

However, to be fair, they aren’t complete hypocrites. I will give them a passing grade on the last one: accepting responsibility for the maintenance of cultural heritage, diversity, environment, flowers in the air, and lollipops for everyone, etc etc. They have signed on to just about every hare-brained lefty idiocy imaginable:
commented 2018-02-11 12:57:49 -0500
PC.s need a leader in Ontario who isn’t going to take crap from any Lieberal. That PC leader has to exhibit true PC values not this pussy footing around trying to be politically correct for fear of hurting a Lieberals feelings. And not be afraid to show some muscle when it’s needed.

Doug Ford has all the qualities in a PC leader . Scheer on the other hand had better read the Doug Ford playbook, grow a set of cajones and learn how to manhandle Lieberals or hes going to get lost in the shuffle.

It’s time to take back Canada from the corrupt Lieberal Party and being a pussy isn’t going to get us there. So put on your favorite pair of ass-kickers and get to work. We can’t afford any more of the wicked witch Wynne or monkey boy Trrudeau.
commented 2018-02-11 04:28:51 -0500
As before, and speaking from four provinces west, I don’t think the ills of the Fibber McGuinty and now Harridan Lezzy years are going to be cured by a Mr. or Mrs. “Nice Person”… Ontari-ari-ario needs a real “flushing” from top to bottom and a leader willing to do that… There are bat and bird killing wind farms to be dismantled, suicidal hydro contracts to be torn up, child porn schooling to be eradicated, Sharia neighbourhoods to be plowed under, and a stop put to insane debt loads on Ontario’s children and grandchildren……
commented 2018-02-09 23:01:47 -0500
Sounds to me like it’s time for an immediate Conservative Policy Conference. In my mind Christine Elliott has the smarts and experience to lead with reasoning. Ford would be my rather distant second choice, since he’s a bit of a big mouth and his belligerent family background. Just my thoughts.
commented 2018-02-07 23:16:18 -0500
Oh, I know it’s pointless. It’s worth it when it becomes obvious they realize they’ve been cornered. Ask for objective evidence, that’s not just guilt by association or an ultimately untraceable blog post.

Liza, why are you still promoting that tweet? Do you think anybody reading these comments hasn’t already made up their mind on Doug Ford?
commented 2018-02-07 01:56:27 -0500

While you make fantastic posts on here and I dig reading them, you are unfortunately wasting your time with Liza.

She is absolutely clueless and one of the dumbest women I have ever come across in my life. Facts and basic logic mean absolutely nothing to her. Liza makes Sarah Palin look like a candidate for Mensa.

Doug Ford is her guy and nothing will change that. Not even the truth.
commented 2018-02-07 00:24:16 -0500
Incidentally, the leadership race is by ranked-ballot, so roomfuls of people are almost irrelevant – it might get him past the first ballot, but second choice matters too – and guess what, they’re at someone else’s rally. Scheer won the Fed CPC leadership onn “second choice” ballots, for example – in that he was a firm second most of the way through, but O’ Toole’s supporters substantially preferred Scheer to Bernier down-ballot, and that last ballot reallocation put Scheer ahead, and at the head of the Opposition.

Imagine a scenario where 2nd-last round is Ford-Elliot-Mulroney 45-40-15. Mulroney’s out – what is the next choice of her supporters? Almost entirely, Elliot. Elliot wins 55-45. Doug’s enormously popular among his base, but literally nobody else likes him (only one of the three with negative net-approval)- the same issue Kellie Leitch had – 7% in first ballot, 7.95% in the last before elimination 8 rounds later – virtually nobody listed her down-ballot. Trost was almost the same, except that he got a lot of Lemieux’s ballots, the only runoff where he got more than a 1% bump from reallocation – he didn’t even get a lot of Leitch supporters.

A fair bit of strategy is needed to win a ranked ballot competition, and it’s unclear Doug is aware of that. He seems to think it’s still first-past-the-post as it is municipally. It’s also unclear if he’s aware they geographically weigh it, meaning every riding only has a maximum of 100 votes, even if way more than that show up. He’ll have to leave his north Etobicoke stronghold, no matter how many he signs up there, it’s only a few ridings and they’re divided out.
commented 2018-02-06 23:32:57 -0500
liza rosie commented 2018-02-06 12:56:47 -0500
Hey Andrew, here is a good scan of the room at the rally. Come and comment and make yourself look stupid again. Hardly anybody showed up right?


James, yeah, a proud conservative, thanks for noticing. "

Exact same crowd as before. Same room, full width crowd is about 30 wide. About 8 seconds in you get the “full depth” shot … indicating again, about ten rows behind video taker, who is at the edge of the stage.

30 × 10 is still 300. Low level looks like more, but tit’s a trick of perspective – it’s hard to see past the first few rows, so it could conceivably go on forever … except we know from other shots, it doesn’t. We can see the media row that’s’ apparently on a platform, and it’s in the same place as in those other shots. . What that low angle perspective DOES tell us, is how many of them are black-tie clad campaign fluffers, which looks to be at least 5-10% of the crowd. They’re everywhere!

I already showed my work, and physically counted them out in a way that was evident. Apparently, basing my opinions on actual evidence, (which is to say, actually counting them, rather than a shaky cell phone video that doesn’t actually refute anything I wrote). makes me “stupid”. Such is how it is in Ford Nation, where the quantitative is rejected in favour of more flattering, qualitative superlatives that may or may not be true but are so vague that it’s impossible to refute or confirm. 300 looks like “a lot” from the ground. In a province of 15 million people, it’s negligible even relative to the rounding error on any sort of population level data.

His promise to not “introduce” a carbon tax says nothing about ones that already exist. Such as the one that already does. More populist fluff that means nothing.
commented 2018-02-06 17:55:01 -0500
liza rosie,

You are completely delusional.

How does Doug Ford’s ass smell?
commented 2018-02-06 15:52:55 -0500
Not surprised you beat Andrew out. You are more ‘unselfconcious’ about making yourself look foolish. Good job.
Why should anyone care about what you or your friends think of them or of the Doug Ford rally. You think there is no way that is a video of 1500 people, at least.
It is a pan of the room and pretty self evident.
But keep banging you black is white and white is black drum.
commented 2018-02-06 13:11:47 -0500
liza rosie,

There is no way that is even close to 1,500.

Can you not see reality at all – is that it? I think you live in some parallel universe with a different version of Canada. That has to be it and would explain all your posts on The Rebel.

Erin is a proud conservative too – she is just not batshit crazy and a pretty horrible person like you are.
commented 2018-02-06 12:56:47 -0500
Hey Andrew, here is a good scan of the room at the rally. Come and comment and make yourself look stupid again. Hardly anybody showed up right?


James, yeah, a proud conservative, thanks for noticing.
commented 2018-02-06 08:26:35 -0500
And we thought Jay Kelly was off the wall . Maybe a brother from the same mother .
commented 2018-02-06 08:21:43 -0500
James you sound like Trudeau you didn’t answer my question .
commented 2018-02-06 02:42:45 -0500
liza rosie,

I don’t expect you to be – you are a complete asshole and even she could recognize it as a conservative. It’s just hilarious that you point the finger at others for being what you are.
commented 2018-02-06 02:34:35 -0500
I’m gutted.
commented 2018-02-06 00:00:36 -0500
liza rosie,

Let me also remind you that Erin Berry left The Rebel long ago, because while she was conservative – she couldn’t handle how crazy you and others were and how badly you treated people who didn’t parrot your view. She thought you were a terrible person.
commented 2018-02-05 23:37:14 -0500
I hope Doug Ford can clean up the formidable mess in Ontario. I don’t think there is anyone else running who is man enough for the job, and I mean man enough.
commented 2018-02-05 23:36:18 -0500
CHRIS BEAUVAIS hear, hear.
The troll is intent on pitting Canadians against each other. He must work for the liberal party, possibly through a popular media outlet. He is always abusive, that is his shtick.
Somebody is paying him or he would not have been so dedicated in trashing us all on a daily basis since the inception of the Rebel. He says it is only for his own entertainment, if that is true he is even more sick in the head than we thought.
He is a prime asshole. There is just no other way to say it.

I too have met terrific Canadians from every province in this once fine country. I hope we can all pull together to get Canada out of the ditch Justin has driven us into.
commented 2018-02-05 22:36:18 -0500
Chris Beauvais,

How ironic – people from Alberta are trying to change Canada in manner that doesn’t make them true Canadians.

While I don’t know how old you are, let me just say that Canada in the 70’s, 80’s and beyond was PROUD of our multiculturalism and extensive diversity, but there is an extreme right demographic today that HATES what Canada has been for well over 40 years.

So I agree that we need to stand up to people who don’t deserve to call themselves Canadians, because they want to change what it means to be a Canadian.
commented 2018-02-05 22:27:08 -0500
Mark Chadwick,

Canadians are going to re-elect Trudeau.

The PC Party doesn’t even want Doug Ford.

That’s the difference.
commented 2018-02-05 22:11:34 -0500
Newsflash James Crockett-Fortunately you don’t speak for me or, I believe, “most Canadians”. I don’t much care where somebody lives. What’s important is that they adhere to and demonstrate the values that made Canada such a wonderful country. I live in Ontario but I have travelled this country and found many wonderful Canadians both East and West of here. Thankfully I have very seldom found anyone who shares your negative view. When I have met them, their sad perception has been understood by most of their fellow Canucks as rare and unfortunately embarrassing. True Canadians that live honestly, openly, and share sincerely the participation in and appreciation of our culture are wonderful people.
We even tolerate those among us who don’t appreciate how great this country is, whatever their office.
I hope and pray that true Canadians will peacefully stand up against the naysayers who want to change Canada according their own twisted views, and we can present a great homeland to our children.
commented 2018-02-05 20:36:42 -0500
liza rosie,

Newsflash – most Canadians hate the people of Alberta. You are called The Texas Of Canada for a reason.
commented 2018-02-05 18:20:29 -0500
It is very creepy Liza.
commented 2018-02-05 17:37:59 -0500
I think he is obsessed with you Tammie. It is creepy, kind of online rapie.
commented 2018-02-05 17:35:12 -0500
Not only did this absurd fantasy of yours occupy your brain for the better part of a weekend; you speak of a YouTube video as well! WOW, you are truly demented!
commented 2018-02-05 16:32:03 -0500
“I think we both know it was done on purpose out of contempt. "
James Crockett I don’t think you have ever spoken a true word until right now. You are absolutely correct. Bingo! Justin Trudeau has NOTHING but contempt for Albertan’s and any other Canadian who doesn’t buy into his global/islamic totalitarian alliance.
I simply could not agree with you more. He hates us ’deplorable’s’. I just hope we can show him how much we feel his contempt on election day.
All ‘ten’ of us , right?
commented 2018-02-05 13:11:26 -0500
Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt,

I think we both know it was done on purpose out of contempt.

Ready for that YouTube Skype debate now or you still want to snuggle with your fellow sheep in your safe space?