February 02, 2018

Does it matter who wins the Ontario PC Party leadership?

Eitan GilboordGuest Post

On March 9, Progressive Conservatives across Ontario will get to choose a new leader from a list of candidates, but according to party leadership rules, it may not make a difference who, ultimately, is tapped for the role.

Frontrunners for the election appear to be former Ontario PC MPP, Christine Elliott; anti-establishment former Toronto City Councilor Doug Ford; and Carolyn Mulroney, the inexperienced yet highly-electable lawyer who also happens to be a former Prime Minister's daughter.

And Postmedia chair Rod Phillips is also rumored to be interested in running. 

All of these candidates have their own unique “electability” factors, but since the rules surrounding this election were publicized, it’s become clear that it may not matter at all who wins the leadership role.

The Leadership Election Organizing Committee (LEOC) recently released its election rules – and it contains an interesting point. Under section 5-c's “Eligibility” requirements, the rule states:

No person shall be a Candidate unless he or she… supports the aims, principles and objects of the Party and the policy resolutions adopted at the Constitutionally-mandated 2017 policy process, and so confirms in the prescribed form

That rules in accordance with section 18.7 of the Ontario PC Party constitution which requires that candidates base their election campaign platform on the adopted policy from an annual policy conference.

Recommended Resolutions passed at annual Policy Conferences shall constitute the foundation on which Party policy and legislation is developed until the next Policy Conference. 

This could mean that whoever wins the election will, more or less, have to campaign during the general election on Patrick Brown's “People’s Guarantee” platform which supports the very unpopular “carbon pricing” (i.e. carbon tax).

When Patrick Brown first announced his support for “revenue neutral carbon pricing," his audience was horrified. People present in the room were actually jeering him.

Yet the PC Party members still voted to adopt Brown’s platform, and therefore could be constitutionally required to uphold it.

Of course, Doug Ford already announced on radio that he would “consider reversing the carbon tax.”

When pressed, Ford said, “a tax is a tax is a tax is a tax.”

Even Christine Elliott has mentioned being against a carbon tax. 

So, one would think that regardless of what a piece of paper mandates, Doug, or any leader, could always just ignore that policy.

And I hope they do.

Because if this leadership election culminates in everyone agreeing on policy, then – to cite Hillary Clinton's infamous phrase, "what difference, at this point, does it make who wins?" Sure, there are arguments to be made about the electability of different candidates, who they appeal to and who has the most name recognition.

But the point of politics shouldn’t just be “electability.” Politics should, at its core, be about bettering the lives of those around us. Conservatives and Liberal-NDP leftists disagree philosophically on the best way to improve people’s lives. That’s what an election should be about, ideas, not "electability" factors approved by a campaign strategists and focus groups. 

What’s the point in having a Conservative party, if you’re not conservative? If you want Liberal-lite because a candidate is more “electable” than just go ahead and vote Liberal.

I’m not arguing you have to be a traditional conservative on every issue, but being Liberal-lite is a wholly different story.

Whoever wins the leadership election must pledge to withhold support for an increase in taxes, and that includes the dangerous Trudeau-Wynne carbon tax.

And if a real conservative does win, then I hope he or she doesn't honour the Liberal-lite policies of Brown’s platform.

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commented 2018-02-05 11:54:32 -0500
Justin forgot to mention Alberta because his tiny brain was working overtime trying remember the geography of Canada.
commented 2018-02-05 03:21:33 -0500
Hey Crockett – I like that… So Montreal is “the Paris of Canada”… Gosh; didn’t know there were so many Muzzies there already!… What, and blocking streets during evening prayers also… Do tell…
commented 2018-02-05 01:29:01 -0500
Drew Wakariuk,

No one cares what the people of Alberta think.

Remember when Justin forgot to mention Alberta, but named all the other provinces? No one gave a shit except for Albertans.

LMAO indeed.
commented 2018-02-05 01:14:49 -0500
James Crockett i bet if we could ask every single Canadian,Toronto would be more hated than liked. LMAO!
commented 2018-02-05 01:13:46 -0500
James Crockett Justin is more hated than liked. And i hope they pick a useless candidate so Ontario keeps going down.
commented 2018-02-04 23:31:40 -0500
Both Fords constantly lied about or embellished their accomplishments. Doug Ford is just doing now what he has always done. Making shit up.
commented 2018-02-04 23:17:59 -0500
Eh, just copy-paste the link. How does comment software built in the last 20 years not take basic HTML?
commented 2018-02-04 23:16:07 -0500
liza rosie commented 2018-02-04 20:05:40 -0500
Hold on to your pathetic nonsense. I am sure you know and everyone else is lying. It wouldn’t matter what anyone said you would say the opposite. It is what you do and its all you got.
In the last vid at the bottom of the page you can clearly see that there are more than 25 people across. All anyone has to do is look “.
Captures of that video.
”https://imgur.com/a/QPGBN">https://imgur.com/a/QPGBN

Here I’ve counted 32. (green squares). That’s generous, since at least some of them are not actually in the same row – it meanders back and forth a bit but I feel the count is nevertheless a decent estimate.. The breakpoint is the rightmost of the group of guys wearing the Team Ford shirts. Red squares are vertical counts, which is 10. . 32 × 10 is still 320, well short of 1500.

You may quibble specifics, but there’s no way you’re going to quadruple that number.
commented 2018-02-04 20:21:23 -0500
Hell of a start for….what? The PC Party doesn’t want him. PC leader will probably be Mulroney.

Look at her platform when she announces this week.
commented 2018-02-04 20:05:40 -0500
Hold on to your pathetic nonsense. I am sure you know and everyone else is lying. It wouldn’t matter what anyone said you would say the opposite. It is what you do and its all you got.
In the last vid at the bottom of the page you can clearly see that there are more than 25 people across. All anyone has to do is look. It doesn’t matter what you or I for that matter say about it. It was what it was and there is proof of how many were there exactly, you and I just don’t have it. Your figuring is flawed.
Doug has a hell of a start . You and your echo can deny it and carry on your subterfuge but it won’t change that fact.
You really have a problem Andrew.
commented 2018-02-04 19:08:06 -0500
Liza thinks Doug Ford is some rock star that brings out the crowds. He is more hated than liked, but she just won’t accept that.
commented 2018-02-04 17:57:37 -0500
“liza rosie commented 2018-02-04 17:05:49 -0500
Regarding Ford Rally. You can say what you want. Like I said before this is a tired tactic. It sounds and looks like a crowd of 1500 to me. I wish people who attend these things would get wide angle shots so numbers can be proven to people like you who try and make”

Sounds and looks like are not objective counts. I’m telling you, the images provided do have wall-to-wall coverage. You can see on the i-heart-radio link … that stage is about 30 feet wide (flags ~3 feet apart, x 10 ) , with another 10 or so either side, and you can fit about 25 people across in 50 feet. You can see this with the existing imagery. Depthwise, it’s about 10 or 12 rows. You can see this. There’s nothing behind – they want the crowd to look as dense and as large as possible to make it look popular, they’d include everyone they can in the shot. Yes, the media row’s only halfway up, because they compacted the attendees down to get that look of a dense crowd -the second video (“500 people already there – not shown, 450 people”) looks pretty empty, does it not?

I’m telling you, the publicity shots of the adoring crowd has 250 people in it.

The theatre holds 800 seats, but they’re only using a third of it. You can see on the Sun article, that the back of the crowd is about where that big wall seam is, just to the right of the front row sign cut off at “RD”. Those two signs in the very back are aligned with the media row.
commented 2018-02-04 17:29:48 -0500
No way is that 1500 people per the links. Come on.

It has nothing to do with the hate – Doug Ford is a fucking clown and an embarrassment. I think the PC party can do better than him.
commented 2018-02-04 17:19:39 -0500
There were already 300 supporters there at 4:00. The rally didn’t start until 6:30. I would be interested in knowing the number of memberships that were purchased that night.
commented 2018-02-04 17:13:29 -0500
My mistake, it was the Toronto Congress Centre.
Still can’t confirm which hall, or seats. But then neither can you.
commented 2018-02-04 17:06:07 -0500
SO, are you working now Andrew, as a molecular biology teacher? High school, college? Do you comment here while you are teaching or are you unemployed, maybe working part time, a sub? Or are you head of your department?
Plant, animal or all the life sciences? Is it fulfilling work Andrew? It certainly explains why you don’t understand basic economics and may even explain your strange gender stances.. Very interesting.
commented 2018-02-04 17:05:49 -0500
Regarding Ford Rally. You can say what you want. Like I said before this is a tired tactic. It sounds and looks like a crowd of 1500 to me. I wish people who attend these things would get wide angle shots so numbers can be proven to people like you who try and make it look insignificant. I can’t confirm which room in the Metro Toronto Convention centre was used, which would help determining seats. But as they say the haters will always hate so carry on. Your hate doesn’t matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VZtVtMvRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMeVjzIXFBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_ay6qS_tvw
commented 2018-02-04 16:32:22 -0500
Molecular biology, I see. So in what area is your expertise Andrew?
commented 2018-02-04 14:47:28 -0500
liza rosie commented 2018-02-04 12:25:24 -0500
Pretending that 1500 is a small number to show in a pinch in a snow storm is pathetic and what more could we expect from you two. It is such an overused ploy of the left it isn’t worthy of comment. Everyone knows the truth. Even you two which is why you play these games. "

I’m not “pretending” anything, though I’m glad you can expect me to actually fact-check. You can count for yourself. There’s a “full room” picture in the SAL article. I counted 110 clearly visible people. Or, if you like, about 2/3 of the way back you can see full width, which is about 20-25 across, and about 12 deep. Which puts the upper bound at about 300, though that is probably pretty generous. Where are the other 1200? In the bathroom?

There’s no source for the “1500” number. it’s completely unverifiable – and SAL is well known for her … let’s say, dramatic flair, triumphing over accuracy. The Ford campaign itself? Douggie has no qualms about adding zeroes to his estimates – see his claims of saving a “billion” ’dollars as co-mayor, a number ten times the actual (and even then, generously calculated) number.

So, where is “1500” from? Are you sure it’s reliable? How do you know it is? All evidence I can see suggests that that’s about 5x too high.

Incidentally, the PCs weight ballots so a locally strong candidate can’t take over the entire province on the backs of a thousand supporters in Etobicoke. (not that that’s much, anyway, there are over 100k active memberships out there, even after finding out the PCs were lying – because of course they were – about how many they had).

’ Andrew please tell me you are not a teacher of youth? My gawd what a thought."

I teach molecular biology, which is apolitical, beyond the very far religious right who insists evolution doesn’t exist, even though we can see it happening.
commented 2018-02-04 14:24:33 -0500
liza rosie,

First of all – any photos I have seen look like a few hundred at most.

Second of all, he announced that he was doing this during the Alex Pierson interview, so people already had a heads up.

Lastly, you need to put the number into perspective. If the number is accurate, it is still nothing compared to pretty much any example I can think of.
commented 2018-02-04 14:08:37 -0500
Thomas Byrne,

If you get a couple of things that you support from a PC candidate – that Wynne doesn’t support and will never implement, you are better off even if there are other things you don’t like about the PC candidate.

It’s basic logic. How can you not understand that?

There are people who will vote for a candidate for ONE issue only. For example, if they are a pro-life candidate. So even if that candidate isn’t very good otherwise, if they can change things regarding abortion – that’s good enough for some people. There are clearly many people here are only care about 1 or 2 issues and that’s good enough to vote for them over Wynne even if the rest of their platform is questionable.
commented 2018-02-04 12:25:24 -0500
Pretending that 1500 is a small number to show in a pinch in a snow storm is pathetic and what more could we expect from you two. It is such an overused ploy of the left it isn’t worthy of comment. Everyone knows the truth. Even you two which is why you play these games.
commented 2018-02-04 12:22:51 -0500
Think of Justin’s resume and how it has prepared him quite well for his designated role. He is but a figure head of sorts, the guy who spends all his ‘governing’ time on the road at town halls. He can’t have much to do with governing anything since he is never in Ottawa doing the business of the country.

Teachers cert., gave him some tools to reprimand a crowd of pissed off Canadians like naughty children. His acting lessons allow him to declare his love of Canada with out laughing out loud in our faces and I suppose the snowboarding and bouncer job may make him relatable to young Canadians. Teachers college prepares social mutants who brainwash the population from early childhood. There isn’t much respect for the profession anymore. Andrew please tell me you are not a teacher of youth? My gawd what a thought.

Yeah Justin is way more qualified than Doug to be a commie and a menace to society, with that I would agree.
commented 2018-02-04 11:07:33 -0500
Dale Warren commented 2018-02-03 20:23:45 -0500

“Trudeua, at least, was MP for a couple terms before winning leadership” . . . Yea . . . he also signed up for TWO University degrees . . . but came out dumber with a teaching certificate!"

Yes, that’s how teachers college works, it’s a separate degree on top of the bachelors.

Oh, what’s that, he was a teacher? Which is to say, he actually had his own career before going into politics? More than you can say for Doug, who runs Daddy’s sticker factory on the side when he’s not on TV babbling his standard platitudes aimed at the lowest common denominator?

“Thomas Byrne commented 2018-02-04 09:52:16 -0500
Just woke up and saw the comments. This will be my last before moving on.

James Crocket. What I get out of it if the cons/libs/ndp win is 4 more years of hell."
There sure are an awful lot of people moving here for supposed " hell". Tried to find a place to live in the city lately? Brutal. Hundreds of thousands of new condos and still impossible to find an empty one. Hell indeed.

“Let’s not pretend 1,500 is some big number. More people show up to get the latest iPhone. "
let’s not forget SAL’s propensity for drama. That numbers’ probably overinflated. The wide-angle shot near the bottom of Liza’s article looks like a few hundred at most.
commented 2018-02-04 09:52:16 -0500
Just woke up and saw the comments. This will be my last before moving on.

James Crocket. What I get out of it if the cons/libs/ndp win is 4 more years of hell. What good is that to me? Why vote for any of them if they are all bad? You seem to think replacing wynne with another flavor of wynne is a good thing. It’s not, and it never will be. Your delusional if you think changing the flavor will make the crap you are being served any better for you. I’m voting to get rid of the crap.
commented 2018-02-04 07:49:46 -0500
Ontario: old Odawa word meaning “land of crying papoose”.
Toronto: old Cayuga word meaning “many squawmen”.
commented 2018-02-04 03:25:42 -0500
Andy Neimers,

Thank you for confirming that you don’t know a thing about Canadian tourism and how Toronto is the New York of Canada, meaning everyone outside of Canada wants to go there for the culture, restaurants, shopping, festivals, million things to do, etc. It’s considered one of the greatest cities in the entire world for a reason that clearly goes over your head.

Yes, why would anyone want to visit the Paris of Canada with how amazing it is there in Montreal with the beautiful sites to see, amazing food, the breathtaking architecture and amazing culture.

But hey, none of that tops the manure smelling Calgary Stampede – the festival for uncultured white trash shit kickin’ hicks.
commented 2018-02-04 02:52:17 -0500
Good old Crockett pontificating crap again:- “How interesting that Toronto, Montreal and BC/Vancouver (the liberal part of the west) are the only parts of Canada that the rest of the world gives a shit about when it comes to tourism and being on the world stage in general.”… I gather you have “big cities are the centres of the universe” fixation/complex?… In B.C., Vancouver is just a landing pad for tourists heading to the Rockies, whale watching on Vancouver Island, skiing in Whistler/Blackcomb and surfing in Tofino, or taking cruises up to Alaska… And Toronto is just a landing pad for tourists heading to Niagara Falls or fishing In Northern Ontario… (God knows why anybody would want to visit Montreal!??
commented 2018-02-04 02:18:39 -0500
liza rosie,

You are the one the hates the truth – with your Ford rose colored glasses on.

How you can watch the Ford interview with Pierson and think he came off well, when Pierson was clearly frustrated that Ford wasn’t answering her questions?

But hey, we will look into it and get back to you.

LOL