February 02, 2018

Does it matter who wins the Ontario PC Party leadership?

Eitan GilboordGuest Post

On March 9, Progressive Conservatives across Ontario will get to choose a new leader from a list of candidates, but according to party leadership rules, it may not make a difference who, ultimately, is tapped for the role.

Frontrunners for the election appear to be former Ontario PC MPP, Christine Elliott; anti-establishment former Toronto City Councilor Doug Ford; and Carolyn Mulroney, the inexperienced yet highly-electable lawyer who also happens to be a former Prime Minister's daughter.

And Postmedia chair Rod Phillips is also rumored to be interested in running. 

All of these candidates have their own unique “electability” factors, but since the rules surrounding this election were publicized, it’s become clear that it may not matter at all who wins the leadership role.

The Leadership Election Organizing Committee (LEOC) recently released its election rules – and it contains an interesting point. Under section 5-c's “Eligibility” requirements, the rule states:

No person shall be a Candidate unless he or she… supports the aims, principles and objects of the Party and the policy resolutions adopted at the Constitutionally-mandated 2017 policy process, and so confirms in the prescribed form

That rules in accordance with section 18.7 of the Ontario PC Party constitution which requires that candidates base their election campaign platform on the adopted policy from an annual policy conference.

Recommended Resolutions passed at annual Policy Conferences shall constitute the foundation on which Party policy and legislation is developed until the next Policy Conference. 

This could mean that whoever wins the election will, more or less, have to campaign during the general election on Patrick Brown's “People’s Guarantee” platform which supports the very unpopular “carbon pricing” (i.e. carbon tax).

When Patrick Brown first announced his support for “revenue neutral carbon pricing," his audience was horrified. People present in the room were actually jeering him.

Yet the PC Party members still voted to adopt Brown’s platform, and therefore could be constitutionally required to uphold it.

Of course, Doug Ford already announced on radio that he would “consider reversing the carbon tax.”

When pressed, Ford said, “a tax is a tax is a tax is a tax.”

Even Christine Elliott has mentioned being against a carbon tax. 

So, one would think that regardless of what a piece of paper mandates, Doug, or any leader, could always just ignore that policy.

And I hope they do.

Because if this leadership election culminates in everyone agreeing on policy, then – to cite Hillary Clinton's infamous phrase, "what difference, at this point, does it make who wins?" Sure, there are arguments to be made about the electability of different candidates, who they appeal to and who has the most name recognition.

But the point of politics shouldn’t just be “electability.” Politics should, at its core, be about bettering the lives of those around us. Conservatives and Liberal-NDP leftists disagree philosophically on the best way to improve people’s lives. That’s what an election should be about, ideas, not "electability" factors approved by a campaign strategists and focus groups. 

What’s the point in having a Conservative party, if you’re not conservative? If you want Liberal-lite because a candidate is more “electable” than just go ahead and vote Liberal.

I’m not arguing you have to be a traditional conservative on every issue, but being Liberal-lite is a wholly different story.

Whoever wins the leadership election must pledge to withhold support for an increase in taxes, and that includes the dangerous Trudeau-Wynne carbon tax.

And if a real conservative does win, then I hope he or she doesn't honour the Liberal-lite policies of Brown’s platform.

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commented 2018-02-04 02:07:54 -0500
You go girl! You lying slob. You really hate the truth. Lying comes so easily to you it is really rather sick.
commented 2018-02-04 02:02:13 -0500
liza rosie,

I watched the Pierson interview. He practically avoided her questions or gave a bullshit answer – “well were are gonna look into it…blah blah blah”. He kept saying that repeatedly instead of giving definitive answers. I think she was a bit frustrated with him.

It’s a repeat of “stop the gravy train” being the answer to every possible question – no matter how irrelevant.

I could get 4,000 people to show up to a party with an hour notice on social media.

Let’s not pretend 1,500 is some big number. More people show up to get the latest iPhone.
commented 2018-02-04 01:45:54 -0500
Brian’s daughter is a lawyer and will be no different than Brown although probably smarter.. But Liberal lite isn’t going to work anymore. There is no use to argue about it. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens.

Doug’s interview with Global’s Alex Pierson was a good one but I suppose it is a bit long for troll to sit through. He just read ‘Sun’ from the title of the other link to ‘craft’ his comment “Yes, the Toronto Sun LOVES The Fords.”
But has nothing to say about 1500 people showing up just like that on short notice today in Toronto to support and BUY memberships. Hell, he will have raised his campaign money before the rest of the candidates even get off the their asses.
Ontario is ripe for a shake up. I can’t wait to see Wynne sent packing. What a wonderful day that will be. I hope she leaves the country.
commented 2018-02-04 01:21:08 -0500
Yes, the Toronto Sun LOVES The Fords.

He doesn’t have a chance – the party won’t want him. It will most likely be Mulroney.
commented 2018-02-04 01:20:49 -0500
About Christine Elliott, She is currently the province’s medical patient ombudsman — a position she was appointed to by Premier Kathleen Wynne. Not sure I would vote for someone who is on Wynne’s payroll.
commented 2018-02-03 23:55:41 -0500
Thomas Byrne,

I guess I don’t really see the point. What have you gained by voting for someone in a new party and Wynne being re-elected? You may feel good on the night of voting and your conscious is clear, but you are waking up to four more years of Wynne.
commented 2018-02-03 23:24:36 -0500
Too bad there aren’t some true Conservatives in Ontario. Sure glad to see the Liberal Brown is gone but who is there to replace him???? Sure no stand out Conservatives that I can see. Sure be nice if there was. As things are right now…..Ontario – FLUSH…!!! I pray someone who is true Conservative would rise up.
commented 2018-02-03 23:23:39 -0500
Too bad there aren’t some true Conservatives in Ontario. Sure glad to see the Liberal Brown is gone but who is there to replace him???? Sure no stand out Conservatives that I can see. Sure be nice if there was. As things are right now…..Ontario – FLUSH…!!! I pray someone who is true Conservative would rise up.
commented 2018-02-03 23:16:20 -0500
I have no problem with the Federal Conservatives. Under Harper they did lot of good. Here in Ontario, though, they have not.

I am a man of principle and conviction.
I cannot choose the lesser of two evils. Especially not when there is a good option available. The only wasted vote is the one cast for the party you don’t support.
commented 2018-02-03 23:00:46 -0500
Thomas Byrne,

I understand, but truth be told – most people tend to vote for what they deem to be the lesser evil.

If the Patrick Brown scandal didn’t happen – as awful as you may think he is, is he not the lesser evil compared to Wynne?

Is Andrew Scheer a lesser evil over Trudeau?
commented 2018-02-03 22:46:56 -0500
James Crocket – It would make sense to vote strategically for the Cons just to get Wynne out of office, were the Cons not just as bad. I’m sorry, but I see nothing good about any of thr big 3 getting back in. All three have screwed us royally. NDP, Cons and Libs have all made this province worse than when they started. The Cons recent swing towards the left just makes them even more undesirable. Not one of those 3 have our best interests at heart and I absolutely refuse to vote for anyone who has proven themselves unworthy of the position. I refuse to shoot myself in thr head with my right hand just to stop my left from doing it.
commented 2018-02-03 21:34:46 -0500
Thomas Byrne,

It’s good that you are OK with your guy never winning, but at the same time – you have no real right to complain about the parties you don’t like winning.

Wouldn’t it be better to choose your battles and compromise? Isn’t a center right candidate better than the left winning again? You will get some of what you want, but they may not be as hard core conservative as you would like. You would think the goal is to get the liberals out of power one way or another.

Harper was center right – you wouldn’t welcome someone like him again over hoping for a hard core conservative to win elections?
commented 2018-02-03 21:17:31 -0500
The Freedom Party, the Trillium Party. These new ones had better get out there then and knock off the inferior of the two so some chance of an alternative can have a chance.
commented 2018-02-03 21:14:35 -0500
James Macmaster, re: public worker voters in Ontario. That is exactly the agenda they are trying to roll out in Alberta as well. It makes for a toxic wasteland.

James Crock of shit. There is no way the interior of BC or the North would give over to the sjw’s stoners. Vancouver can fall into the sea as far as I’m concerned and I wish it would. The interior would go with Alberta.

I just hope Doug knows what he is doing with the conservative party line and has looked at the Trillium option.
commented 2018-02-03 21:10:23 -0500
James Crocket – It’s thinking like that which guarantees we will never have a government that works for us instead of themselves. Sure, my guy might not get in. I’m ok with that. At least I didn’t vote contrary to my own interests just to elect someone I hate, with the only consolation being “I voted for the guy who is currently screwing me over.”

No thanks.
commented 2018-02-03 20:58:54 -0500
Yes, please conservatives – vote for people in the new parties who don’t stand a chance of winning an election for the next 40 years. It’s like Americans thinking that the Libertarian party candidate can be President. Won’t happen in our lifetime most likely.
commented 2018-02-03 20:51:55 -0500
It doesn’t matter to me who wins Conservative leadership, as they stopped being conservative when Hudak took over. I heard talk about people voting Trillium instead. While I’m glad to see people dumping the big three, I would suggest you look at the Freedom Party before voting for a party that only has people in two ridings. Freedom party had a candidate in every riding in the last election and they will again this year. Their platform was the only fully costed proposal last time that did not include deficit spending, and they are actually willing to try amd fix our unsustainable health care system. I won’t tell you how to vote, but I would suggest you check them out before you do. I’d rather you vote with full knowledge of the options available and a clear conscience.
commented 2018-02-03 20:46:55 -0500
How interesting that Toronto, Montreal and BC/Vancouver (the liberal part of the west) are the only parts of Canada that the rest of the world gives a shit about when it comes to tourism and being on the world stage in general.

Alberta, Sask and Manitoba could separate tomorrow and no one would care in the big picture. Join Texas – you would be so much happier and so would the rest of Canada.
commented 2018-02-03 20:46:14 -0500
It doesn’t matter to me who wins Conservative leadership, as they stopped being conservative when Hudak took over. I heard talk about people voting Trillium instead. While I’m glad to see people dumping the big three, I would suggest you look at the Freedom Party before voting for a party that only has people in two ridings. Freedom party had a candidate in every riding in the last election and they will again this year. Their platform was the only fully costed proposal last time that did not include deficit spending, and they are actually willing to try amd fix our unsustainable health care system. I won’t tell you how to vote, but I would suggest you check them out before you do. I’d rather you vote with full knowledge of the options available and a clear conscience.
commented 2018-02-03 20:23:45 -0500
Ontario is just so “Over” . . .
Like Canada it is run by morons, the entire East is in “Dependance Mode”!
What thinking country buy oil in the eastern half from the Saudis . . . for $70 a barrel . . .
Then sells their Oil in the West for $40 a barrel ? ? ?

This is Justin math . . . The Budget will Balance itself . . . and the cost to Canadians in lost Tax Revenue in the range of $30 Billion a year . . . . that does not include the money going offshore to pay for the Saudi Oil.

ONLY in Canada you say . . .

“Trudeua, at least, was MP for a couple terms before winning leadership” . . . Yea . . . he also signed up for TWO University degrees . . . but came out dumber with a teaching certificate!
commented 2018-02-03 20:13:27 -0500
James MacMaster commented 2018-02-03 15:44:01 -0500
So it is no surprise that in Ontario’s last four elections, somewhere between 63 to 68 percent of the electorate cast ballots for Liberals, NDP, or Greens.

Take care of you and yours….the flush handle on the great toilet known as Ontario has been pushed beyond the point of no return."

What happened between 1999 and 2003 to create that situation? Lib/NDP support was the same in 2003 and 2015, so it hasn’t increased due to the Liberals meaning the “point of no return” happened prior to 2003, while the PCs were still in power. What did they do?
commented 2018-02-03 15:44:01 -0500
Does it matter who wins the PC Party leadership?

No.

Does it matter who wins the next Ontario Election?

No. And I’ll tell you why.

Too large a percentage of Ontario’s (largely urban) population is dependant on all levels of government to wipe its arse. Out of ten workers, two get a public sector pay-cheque, and another one from the private sector works on a government-funded contract. Now factor in welfare cases, disability recipients, the chronically unemployed….and all the adult family members of the foregoing. And last but not least, add unionized private sector workers and childish fools to the preceding.

So it is no surprise that in Ontario’s last four elections, somewhere between 63 to 68 percent of the electorate cast ballots for Liberals, NDP, or Greens.

Take care of you and yours….the flush handle on the great toilet known as Ontario has been pushed beyond the point of no return.
commented 2018-02-03 13:47:59 -0500
CROOKED WYNNIE. It would be great to have an opposition politician actually call her that to her face.
commented 2018-02-03 13:09:45 -0500
No matter the question, the answer that Rob and Doug Ford would always give is – stop the gravy train.

They both couldn’t actually talk intelligently about any issue, they just had one response for everything – no matter how irrelevant the gravy train answer was to the question.

Absolute morons.
commented 2018-02-03 12:34:07 -0500
The Clown Prince, Justin Mohammed Trudope and his ridiculous bills need to be stopped and thrown out. The Lieberal Party must be shut down before they do any more damage.

If the PC Party can’t find a candidate that has the cajones to do this than good luck because they won’t have voter support.
commented 2018-02-03 12:18:56 -0500
" Because Daddy was PM they have to fill his shoes, just once you would like to see their offspring get a real job in something unrelated to politics."

Daddy Ford was also a politician (backbench MPP) and Douggie Jr. is trying to fill his shoes. Trudeua, at least, was MP for a couple terms before winning leadership, and got to experience the rank and file politics that make the system work. Doug, the outsider, has no such experience, his ego can’t stand subordination. We saw this when he crowned himself “co-mayor”, tabling such worthwhile policies as building a Ferris wheel, or saying “subways” in triplicate at every mention.
commented 2018-02-03 10:58:25 -0500
Again, the party won’t allow Doug Ford to be leader.
commented 2018-02-03 10:44:11 -0500
I don’t give a damn about anything else you can dredge up about Doug Ford. If he comes out against the Wynne – Trudeau carbon tax, he has my, and I suspect a lot of other people’s votes. Ontario needs a strong, empire busting, tax saving CONSERVATIVE Premiere, and if the party elites can’t abide that then they are dooming the province to more years of Liberal destruction or even worse and NDP reign of terror.
commented 2018-02-03 09:57:56 -0500
Whoever becomes leader is taking on one hell of a mess should they become Premier. Ontario is an absolute mess.
The first step is to get rid of the biggest problem. That is Wynne herself and all her cronies. You want to talk about a swamp? Now that is a swamp. With tentacles far reaching, all the way to the PMO office.
Time to stop running this country and it’s provinces with left wing Totalitarian activists
And Eitan you are correct with the notion of electability. How’s that going so far; Canada having a fake islamafied feminist sock-boy anti-oil activist drama queen as PM?