March 06, 2018

Doug Ford's request to extend the leadership election is disingenuous

Eitan GilboordGuest Post

Doug Ford has called on the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party to extend voting in its leadership election for an additional week.

But Ford doesn’t just want to extend voting:

He has called for the implementation of a physical voting location in each Ontario riding.

This is not only unrealistic, but would be impossible to implement. The leadership election organizing committee (LEOC) should not waste a moment entertaining Ford's request. 

Full disclosure: I helped coordinate the last Ontario PC leadership election, and I remember all too well the months of preparation it took.

In order to have ballot boxes in each riding, the first step would be to find a local person in the riding to facilitate the vote. That means having one neutral “returning officer” (or "RO") who is agreed upon by each of the leadership campaigns and LEOC.

At this point in the leadership race, most capable party activists have aligned themselves with a campaign, and considering the many allegations of “rot” in the PC party over candidate nominations, trusting a non-neutral RO to facilitate a leadership election could be problematic.

But for a moment, let’s pretend that LEOC could find and coordinate having a neutral and competent RO in each riding.

Then that RO would have to book a voting location. The voting location would need to be accessible to all members, and in large rural ridings, often you would need more than one voting location.

Each of these voting locations would need to be open on at least two different days, allowing people an option of when to go and vote in person.

Once the location is confirmed, the party would have to ship out a secure voting box to the RO as part of a complete election kit. You can’t use any old box; it has to be a secure box that can’t be tampered with. Elections Canada sells these boxes, but they can take weeks to deliver.

But let's assume that the party has leftover boxes from the last leadership election, or maybe Staples has a product that will suffice.

The next step would require that at the end of each voting day, the RO will have to seal the voting box with special tape, then put the box in a transparent garbage bag and seal that with a certified Ontario PC tape. Sealing is required to eliminate any potential for ballot box stuffing. This ballot box sealing process would have to be watched by campaign scrutineers.

Then LEOC would have to work with the party and a security team to pick up all of the boxes from a secure location and transport them to Toronto to have the ballots counted. In order for this to be completed in a timely manner, the party would have to charter a plane to pick up the boxes in northern Ontario.

Once all of the boxes made it to Toronto, the party would need a team of about 15-30 neutral people to stay up all night and count ballots. These people would be required to give up any communication devices so the results would not be leaked.

The party would have to get food and accommodations for the ballot counting volunteers and hire an independent auditor to monitor the counting.

So, I suppose that if all of that could be accomplished in a week, then sure Doug, let’s do it! But that process can not be completed in a week, and I suspect that the Ford campaign knows this. It could be that Ford’s announcement was more about setting himself up for a loss to Christine Elliot, rather than actually making sure everyone can vote.

Considering the resources required, it was obvious that in such a short period of time, the only plausible way to conduct a “one-member one-vote” leadership election would be online.

If I were advising LEOC, I would have suggested looking into adding in-person voting in four or five locations: Toronto, Ottawa, London, Sudbury, and Thunder Bay.

But even that could be problematic.

I suspect the Doug Ford campaign knows how unrealistic this is, but if it’s true that Ontario PC Party members have yet to receive a ballot, then yes, something needs to be done.

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commented 2018-03-10 19:13:54 -0500
HEY BOB ROCK GUESS WHO JUST WON . NOW GO BACK UNDER YOUR ROCK .HAHAHA LEFT THIS .
commented 2018-03-10 15:59:13 -0500
So, apparently Douggie and Elliot are having lawyer fights. My guess is that means Doug lost by a nose hair and is now trying to get it voided based on his earlier complaints.

This is a party clearly unfit to govern.

“Flat earth. .Flat water commented 2018-03-08 04:16:40 -0500
Huh.??? "
Yeah, thought so. Little slips of paper it is. Math is hard lol.
commented 2018-03-08 21:20:18 -0500
Mark,

What the fuck are you talking about? This is Canada. Not America, where we are to the left of that country.
commented 2018-03-08 18:58:14 -0500
Bob all the left said Trump would never be POUSA . So go climb back under your Liberal left nut wing Rock . You should apply for the energy bunny’s job because you keep going and going mainly in circles .
How much do they pay you to haunt the rebel ? Are you really Gerald ?
commented 2018-03-08 18:15:14 -0500
Yes, we know that you will whine along with Ford if Christine Elliott becomes leader.
commented 2018-03-08 17:42:13 -0500
That article is pure propaganda… The elites are terrified that Ford may win..
I hope he does and he can make Ontario great again..
commented 2018-03-08 10:54:56 -0500
Andrew said in part, somewhere in her long post, “Admittedly, I know just enough to be a danger to my coworkers, but what do you think?”

Well Andrew, I think your coworkers intentionally restrict how much contact they have with you!
commented 2018-03-08 00:37:54 -0500
“Flat earth. .Flat water commented 2018-03-07 23:05:49 -0500
Exactly… The barcode provides an authentication code and that would require a depth of corruption beyond anything that could be explained… Paper is the way to go and maybe there should be a receipt that the voters takes with them that has the identical barcode on it for who they voted for.”

I’ve been idly pondering how you’d address this, here’s my idea. (not very original, mind you, most modern cryptography is based on the same basic principle of the impossibility of blindly factoring products of huge primes, and verges somewhat into how blockchain works at the end)

Every voter gets a unique prime number. If you vote for a candidate, your number is assigned to that candidate, and multiplied by the numbers of everyone else that’s voted for him. Thus, each candidate receives a number that is the product of all the votes cast for him or her. You want to use big prime numbers for security purposes, say 100 digits each, so a candidate receiving 100,000 votes will have a 10-million digit number associated with them. Big, but not unmanageably so. That number space is so huge that it’s essentially computationally impossible find the prime factors blind, but verifying a vote with a known number is a simple arithmetic division – doable by hand, in principle, and computationally completely trivial. If you divide the candidate’s number by your prime, and the remainder is zero, you voted for him.

You could conceivably code your prime in a barcode, but the beauty is that you don’t need to – it’s self-reinforcing (if you try to edit the candidate’s final number, it probably won’t be divisable by any of your input numbers), that huge number contains all the information you need to verify every single vote cast for a candidate. Let the voter supply their own number, use it to generate a checksum based upon that, her prime and the running total of all cast ballots, and that’s your ticket stub.

Admittedly, I know just enough to be a danger to my coworkers, but what do you think?

liza rosie commented 2018-03-07 22:32:27 -0500

“You could be right, (except for this part: no matter how you collect them) because it probably is voter fraud and its not an excuse. There will be thousands,many more than those who didn’t have their rights respected by not being able to vote, who will be right behind Doug screaming bloody murder.”
No, how you collect them is irrelevant. Again, he’s setting up a plausible excuse to blame if/when he loses. He might have a lot more credibility on this if he didn’t resort to the same “rigged system” excuses every time something he did got messed up.

“It isn’t like it is a secret that the party doesn;t want him rocking the boat from the inside and for good reason I am sure. It would seem to me if the whole thing was on the up and up there would be extra effort to find a solution for those being left out. People won’t drop it. "
As Patrick Brown found out, there are far simpler ways of eliminating inconvenient candidates than ballot stuffing.
commented 2018-03-07 23:05:49 -0500
Exactly… The barcode provides an authentication code and that would require a depth of corruption beyond anything that could be explained… Paper is the way to go and maybe there should be a receipt that the voters takes with them that has the identical barcode on it for who they voted for. The woman who hides behind a man shadow and name, You shouldn’t be afraid of an honest election.
commented 2018-03-07 22:32:27 -0500
Andrew says, “If Doug Ford loses, he’s going to claim that it was vote fraud no matter how you collect them. That’s why he’s putting it out there now, so it doesn’t just look like sour grapes when he makes that excuse.”

You could be right, (except for this part: no matter how you collect them) because it probably is voter fraud and its not an excuse. There will be thousands,many more than those who didn’t have their rights respected by not being able to vote, who will be right behind Doug screaming bloody murder.
It isn’t like it is a secret that the party doesn;t want him rocking the boat from the inside and for good reason I am sure. It would seem to me if the whole thing was on the up and up there would be extra effort to find a solution for those being left out. People won’t drop it.
commented 2018-03-07 21:57:09 -0500
Whataboutism strikes again!

Does Doug Ford tuck you in bed at night and kiss your forehead?
commented 2018-03-07 21:29:54 -0500
Bob you mean like Hillary did . Doug is going to be the next to take Ontario back from the Liberal destroyers . Bob and Andrew get over it . Do either one of you have children ? Sure hope not .
The left is the biggest whiners when the loose .
commented 2018-03-07 21:04:04 -0500
I agree – Doug Ford will be making a fuss one way or another if Christine is leader. There is no way that he takes the defeat like a man if it goes that way.
commented 2018-03-07 20:57:19 -0500
“liza rosie commented 2018-03-07 19:17:15 -0500
Neuroatypical by her own admission, with a touch of OCD in there maybe? "
You and Tammie both reply tit for tat with me. At least I"m honest with myself about it.

Flat earth. .Flat water commented 2018-03-07 19:07:13 0500
Andrew Stevenson said.,
“Again, paper ballots are actually easier to forge than electronic ones,”
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No they’re not…
Electronic ones can be programmed in advance. But Paper is all accounted for and if you wanted to make it more difficult to forge put a barcode on it.!! "

So can paper ballots.

Barcodes are simply printed authentication codes, which can just as easily be done electronically, in ways that are very simple, accountable, and still confidential. The physical token is merely an extra processing step, mostly a psychological soother.

If Doug Ford loses, he’s going to claim that it was vote fraud no matter how you collect them. That’s why he’s putting it out there now, so it doesn’t just look like sour grapes when he makes that excuse.
commented 2018-03-07 20:38:03 -0500
Ron, thanks for the update. I’m glad you and Eitan are communicating.
commented 2018-03-07 20:34:58 -0500
Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt RE Petitions
Liza Rosie Eitan, got hold of me; I just finished replying, we should have some answers tomorrow.
commented 2018-03-07 20:05:39 -0500
Provincial governments that can spend millions of dollars on temporary artwork and silly little projects to beautify their own neighbourhoods and federal governments that can spend in the tens of millions compensating confirmed terrorists and giving away untold millions to other countries at our expense, certainly we can rationalize a moderate time inconvenience and a very moderate monetary inconvenience to ensure the voice of the voting public has been heard to the last person.!!
commented 2018-03-07 19:17:15 -0500
Flat Earth good response and solution. I wonder how many more times Andrew is going to come back to dispute it.
Neuroatypical by her own admission, with a touch of OCD in there maybe?
commented 2018-03-07 19:13:54 -0500
Thanks Tammie I hope you are correct.
commented 2018-03-07 19:07:13 -0500
Andrew Stevenson said.,
“Again, paper ballots are actually easier to forge than electronic ones,”
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No they’re not…
Electronic ones can be programmed in advance. But Paper is all accounted for and if you wanted to make it more difficult to forge put a barcode on it.!!
commented 2018-03-07 18:50:48 -0500
I suggested to Ron he ask Ezra & Eitan for a response to ease his mind and finally have his questions answered.
commented 2018-03-07 18:44:42 -0500
Liza, like you, I think it’s available upon request.
commented 2018-03-07 17:55:36 -0500
Tammie and Ron, I thought personal info was kept by who ever started the petition -
kept for verification IF asked. You are saying that is incorrect?
commented 2018-03-07 17:51:56 -0500
Thats what I said dufus .
“If there is no extension announced by the end of today — today March 7 is the last day to register.” which would mean the winner would be announced sat.
commented 2018-03-07 17:07:52 -0500
Liza,

Because you are not listening. I have to repeat myself and you still want a different answer. Nothing can be done. It’s over. New leader is announced Saturday.
commented 2018-03-07 16:55:10 -0500
Ron, I remember the thread you are referring to. Personally, I don’t think she left it on the retaining wall.
I would suggest writing to Ezra and Eitan to ask them to answer the question, and why you are concerned.
Point out the problems with the video itself and leaving the viewer with the impression all this personal information was left for anyone to pick up and possibly misuse. Perhaps include something like if Rebel wants for it’s supporters to sign more petitions, they must explain more fully what happened to the petition in Bonn Germany.
commented 2018-03-07 16:36:29 -0500
Tammie P-Z —Re petition, I wrote back a 2nd polite letter to Sheila and never heard from her. I also
commented to you people about not getting an answer and Frank the Troll said It’s shredded by now.
The video “showed” her leaving it on a retainer wall, and her voice said if no one wants to sign it, I guess I will leave it here.

Lisa, yes everything is on the petition, as that is how they verify if it is legitimate. I don’t want to worry you but even your phone # and cell # are on the petition.
Ladies, maybe your phone #s will be sold to a rich Libyan guy and he will ask for a date.
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