March 06, 2018

Doug Ford's request to extend the leadership election is disingenuous

Eitan GilboordGuest Post

Doug Ford has called on the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party to extend voting in its leadership election for an additional week.

But Ford doesn’t just want to extend voting:

He has called for the implementation of a physical voting location in each Ontario riding.

This is not only unrealistic, but would be impossible to implement. The leadership election organizing committee (LEOC) should not waste a moment entertaining Ford's request. 

Full disclosure: I helped coordinate the last Ontario PC leadership election, and I remember all too well the months of preparation it took.

In order to have ballot boxes in each riding, the first step would be to find a local person in the riding to facilitate the vote. That means having one neutral “returning officer” (or "RO") who is agreed upon by each of the leadership campaigns and LEOC.

At this point in the leadership race, most capable party activists have aligned themselves with a campaign, and considering the many allegations of “rot” in the PC party over candidate nominations, trusting a non-neutral RO to facilitate a leadership election could be problematic.

But for a moment, let’s pretend that LEOC could find and coordinate having a neutral and competent RO in each riding.

Then that RO would have to book a voting location. The voting location would need to be accessible to all members, and in large rural ridings, often you would need more than one voting location.

Each of these voting locations would need to be open on at least two different days, allowing people an option of when to go and vote in person.

Once the location is confirmed, the party would have to ship out a secure voting box to the RO as part of a complete election kit. You can’t use any old box; it has to be a secure box that can’t be tampered with. Elections Canada sells these boxes, but they can take weeks to deliver.

But let's assume that the party has leftover boxes from the last leadership election, or maybe Staples has a product that will suffice.

The next step would require that at the end of each voting day, the RO will have to seal the voting box with special tape, then put the box in a transparent garbage bag and seal that with a certified Ontario PC tape. Sealing is required to eliminate any potential for ballot box stuffing. This ballot box sealing process would have to be watched by campaign scrutineers.

Then LEOC would have to work with the party and a security team to pick up all of the boxes from a secure location and transport them to Toronto to have the ballots counted. In order for this to be completed in a timely manner, the party would have to charter a plane to pick up the boxes in northern Ontario.

Once all of the boxes made it to Toronto, the party would need a team of about 15-30 neutral people to stay up all night and count ballots. These people would be required to give up any communication devices so the results would not be leaked.

The party would have to get food and accommodations for the ballot counting volunteers and hire an independent auditor to monitor the counting.

So, I suppose that if all of that could be accomplished in a week, then sure Doug, let’s do it! But that process can not be completed in a week, and I suspect that the Ford campaign knows this. It could be that Ford’s announcement was more about setting himself up for a loss to Christine Elliot, rather than actually making sure everyone can vote.

Considering the resources required, it was obvious that in such a short period of time, the only plausible way to conduct a “one-member one-vote” leadership election would be online.

If I were advising LEOC, I would have suggested looking into adding in-person voting in four or five locations: Toronto, Ottawa, London, Sudbury, and Thunder Bay.

But even that could be problematic.

I suspect the Doug Ford campaign knows how unrealistic this is, but if it’s true that Ontario PC Party members have yet to receive a ballot, then yes, something needs to be done.

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commented 2018-03-06 23:58:20 -0500
Paper votes in person work the best….that’s why the liberalist globalists are against it….Good people can monitor the paper count…electronic is just the opposite of that…phony ID’s…phony people can vote….
commented 2018-03-06 23:53:30 -0500
You do realize that human error and bias can impact paper voting as well right? Have you not been aware of all the fuck ups in history that have happened with standard voting?
commented 2018-03-06 23:45:41 -0500
Computers weren’t invented yesterday. Why didn’t you get her on the computer many years ago.

Typically older people like to stay in touch with family online. Grandparents are looking for their grandchildren on Facebook, etc.

My wife and I bought ipads for our parents last year and they love them, since they felt it was important to know how to turn on a computer many years ago.
commented 2018-03-06 23:44:11 -0500
My point is we shouldn’t have to be relying on phones and computers for these votes anyway. Too much room for inaccuracies and hacking, aside from the fact that this set up, by the accounts of some who have been stuck phoning hotlines for help or not receiving pins, have been nothing but a hassle. Not more convenient by any stretch of the imagination, So technology hasn’t been much of a benefit in this instance.
commented 2018-03-06 23:33:26 -0500
Adapt or die? Some how I don’t think my 85 year old mother is going to become computer literate any time soon. But as far as Jimmy Bob is concerned she doesn’t count and is going to die soon anyway. Nice.
commented 2018-03-06 23:18:25 -0500
Bob Rock…I think Automobiles and Motorcycles were a couple of the best inventions..I am an a enthusiast of both.. as the same with all my Friends and Acquaintances are….
commented 2018-03-06 22:51:08 -0500
So you go to the fucking store and buy new ink, you know like everyone does when they run out of something or it’s expired or no longer works. What the hell is wrong with you?
commented 2018-03-06 22:46:47 -0500
I live by adapt or die. I don’t deem it to be offensive. It’s living in the now. I understand though that some still long for the house and buggy and think the automobile is evil.
commented 2018-03-06 22:35:22 -0500
Someone correct me if I’m wrong about this comment below…The word programmed would also fit instead of brainwashed…after all we have to become a modern society and use the proper verbiage….

ROB GREELEY commented 2018-03-06 21:08:50 -0500
Oh… did you hear the latest from the liberalist globalist Ontario MP? They want too lower the voting age to sixteen…surprise..surprise…surprise. If the liberalist can’t get the people who have a lot of life’s experience’s and knowledge of the past to vote for them..

They want to get the freshly brainwashed liberalist globalist that’s still in High School votes!…Hence the selfies from trudeau……
commented 2018-03-06 22:31:00 -0500
I have a new printer used 4 times during tax season and I went to use it last week and the ink dried up like Liza’s did.
commented 2018-03-06 22:26:52 -0500
Bob Rock..electronic voting can be hacked by the way..
commented 2018-03-06 22:25:26 -0500
Liza Rosie said: not everyone in the country even has a smart phone. Many elderly and poor don’t. I know all migrants seem to have them, but not all Canadians do.
Thanks for the laugh Liza, I needed it as possible conspiracy theories are bothering me regarding this election, especially since some of us went through the suspicious Federal Leadership race “that put” easy to handle smiley in.
commented 2018-03-06 22:24:49 -0500
Oh..by the way..How would you like someone to say to you?…“Adapt or die”
commented 2018-03-06 22:22:32 -0500
I wonder how many Conservatives invented modern society technologies??..There’s a project for you Bob Rock!..Prove to the World that all modern technology was invented by a liberalist globalist….
commented 2018-03-06 22:14:56 -0500
We are becoming a paperless world. Everything is online. Again, adapt or die. Paper voting will be a thing of the past and it will all be electronic.

No one is saying that you need to have a smart phone, but surely with the knowledge that an election is upcoming, you would make the necessary arrangements so your vote is counted.

Do you have kids Liza? Perhaps they have a computer with a printer/scanner, a friend, the office you work at, etc. People had plenty of time to get access to a computer one way or another.

This is just another example of conservatives living in denial about modern society. They want to pretend it’s still 1950 and that modern society should still cater to them.
commented 2018-03-06 22:13:06 -0500
During a municipal election a few years back, their website crashed well before voting closed.
commented 2018-03-06 22:07:53 -0500
Your comment below “Adapt or die.” ….Adapt to what?…Climate change hoax?…

BOB ROCK commented 2018-03-06 21:12:43 -0500
Well maybe you should join this century. It’s not the fault of modern society that you want to use a rotary phone. Adapt or die.
commented 2018-03-06 22:07:06 -0500
Face it Bob/Vinny, you are one big S**T stain!
commented 2018-03-06 22:03:45 -0500
Wow, listen to you….very moronic indeed. I think you are a fool; who will one day encounter a younger version of yourself and want to punch him in the face!
commented 2018-03-06 21:59:48 -0500
I didn’t say I don’t have a smart phone, I have a smart phone. I said I don’t have a scanner or printer (I don’t want one) and not everyone has a smart phone. It shouldn’t be a prerequisite for a vote.
Your disregard for the elderly, poor or otherwise challenged is ignorant. Everyone has a right to mark their x on a ballot. Even the federal conservative leadership had a mail in system. ( you condescending prick.)
commented 2018-03-06 21:50:22 -0500
Apparently it’s not moronic at all, since people here are whining about how they still live like it’s 1982 and don’t know anything about this newfangled machines that people can use to vote.
commented 2018-03-06 21:49:37 -0500
Ron Joseph, I suggested the library after another person mentioned not everyone can afford internet, computer etc…or may not be familiar with uploading proof of identification. As Andrew mentioned, a smartphone can be used to photograph ID and upload it to the site during the verification process; done after you receive a registration code in the mail. After you register your code and upload ID, you will receive a PIN number via e-mail; which permits you to finally vote.

In my case, everything went smoothly, no delays or problems with the website. I can understand how this many not be the case for thousands of members.

During the Federal Leadership race, members were mailed their ballot and ranked their choice & provided a photocopy of ID with the ballot. There were some people who didn’t receive ballots in time to vote. This method didn’t alienate members who do not have the technology or perhaps the familiarity with technology to electronically cast their ballot. Both systems have their drawbacks.

I just hope the website hacking that took place in the past hasn’t added to the problems we are hearing of now.
commented 2018-03-06 21:36:17 -0500
What a moronic question fecal specimen!!
commented 2018-03-06 21:23:34 -0500
Do you have phone that isn’t corded to the wall? How about magic printing box to go with a computer?
commented 2018-03-06 21:17:09 -0500
What kind of specimen you ask….fecal matter!
commented 2018-03-06 21:16:33 -0500
Bob/Vinny, your last post x 3 confirms you are an insufferable specimen!!!!
commented 2018-03-06 21:12:43 -0500
Well maybe you should join this century. It’s not the fault of modern society that you want to use a rotary phone. Adapt or die.
commented 2018-03-06 21:10:59 -0500
Well maybe you should join this century. It’s not the fault of modern society that you want to see use a rotary phone. Adapt or die.
commented 2018-03-06 21:10:47 -0500
Well maybe you join this century. It’s not the fault of modern society that you want to see use a rotary phone. Adapt or die.
commented 2018-03-06 21:08:50 -0500
Oh… did you hear the latest from the liberalist globalist Ontario MP? They want too lower the voting age to sixteen…surprise..surprise…surprise. If the liberalist can’t get the people who have a lot of life’s experience’s and knowledge of the past to vote for them..

They want to get the freshly brainwashed liberalist globalist that’s still in High School votes!…Hence the selfies from trudeau……
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