June 07, 2016

Electoral reform too complex for “yes” or “no”? Trudeau doesn’t trust you to do what HE wants

Brian LilleyArchive

Justin Trudeau’s arrogance towards voters was on full display again as the Conservatives continued to challenge him on his refusal to hold a referendum on democratic reform. 

When Interim Conservative Party leader Rona Ambrose reminded him of the words of one of his very own ministers -- that is, Stephan Dion, a constitutional scholar who in 2012 advocated for referendums on any changes to our voting system -- Trudeau still found a way to dismiss the opinion.

In what was a pretty arrogant answer, Trudeau essentially said that the matter is too complex to leave in the hands of voters.

Watch my video to see how he responded, but in the meantime, we all need to remind Trudeau that the voting system belongs to the people -- not politicians, and not political parties.

That view has been confirmed in a poll we did here at The Rebel as well as one done by Ipsos, which showed the same results: 73% of the people think that the final decision on which system to choose, should be put to a referendum.

If you agree, remember to sign and share our petition at LetUsVote.ca. Share it widely so we can make sure our voices are heard.

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commented 2016-06-09 15:27:43 -0400
Trudeau is proving himself to be a traitor to all Canadians. CSIS and the RCMP had better start recognizing this fact and take him to task over it. If they don’t they may very well wind up with a civil war on their hands. It’s happened in other peaceful countries. We are not immune. The kind of crap he’s pulling is driving a wedge in this country and may someday get militant. There are hundreds of thousands of people who are getting past the point of frustration. Canadians will only put up with so much bullshit. Especially western Canadians.
commented 2016-06-08 14:37:59 -0400
Essentially this is the elite saying the soiled masses electorate don’t know what they want – the antithesis of the democratic notion that the people are always right.

Par for the course for the class elitism which has defined the Liberal mindset for decades.

Once a class bigot always a class bigot – it’s most visible in the elite’s distrust of democratic will.
commented 2016-06-08 14:32:22 -0400
Hmm…one wonders where is the media and liberal organizations on this? Had Harper tried this I am sure there would have been outrage. Where is the outrage?
commented 2016-06-08 14:31:16 -0400
They still believe us Joe Sixpacks don’t know what we are doing? Typical elitist response from the left. Funny, BC voters were able to vote on this some time back. Or is it he fears the same result will occur on the federal level. While I agree no all decisions, obviously, should be done by referendum this is one that should. In the least, it should require the executive approval of all provinces.
commented 2016-06-08 14:11:33 -0400
Justa Turdo has ONE VOTE and it’s no more important than your vote or my vote.
commented 2016-06-08 13:34:48 -0400
Easy choices here guys and girls. The libs think they can capitalize on a change then hand them a defeat. I will vote Conservative, Libertarian if they force this crap down our throats. Either way I end up with a smaller cheaper government that leaves me alone more often. Wouldn’t you love to watch the looks on their faces when that happened?
commented 2016-06-08 12:07:07 -0400
Peter, I think you are correct; you’d have to burn your second vote on some fringe party if you didn’t want anything to count towards the NDP or Liberals. Just marking one choice on the ballot would probably waste it altogether. That’s why one of the choices on the ballot should be “I choose NOT to vote for a second candidate”.

Hopefully in the absence of new right-leaning parties being created some more palatable, already established parties like the Libertarian Party will try to run a full slate under Boy Blunder’s plan.
commented 2016-06-08 11:40:03 -0400
I see the autocratic Truedough regime has finally returned to traditional Bolshevik we are the “intelligentsia class” faux arguments. When it comes right down to it, ALL neo-Marxist policy is “too complex” for the non political class proletariat to understand because ALL neo-Marxist (AKA Liberal) policy is keyed at stealing wealth, power and freedom from the proletariat.

It’s obvious the Spawn was schooled at uncle Fidel’s feet, and he has disdain for direct democracy, parliamentary democracy and an empowered electorate – his father had the same loathing for democratic process – beneath every narcissist lies the soul of a megalomaniac.
commented 2016-06-08 10:16:33 -0400
Jim Webb said, “proportional election reform will cause the creation of new parties”

Yes, I agree. I read your earlier post on the perils of the proportional system. It makes complete sense what you are saying.

My question was regarding to the ranked ballot system where specific parties are on the ballot and you make a first and then a second choice.

In that system I have no second option as I would never vote Liberal nor NDP. So if I did not cast a second choice, would that ballot be considered the same as spoiling your ballot, thereby rendering my vote invalid even for my first choice. If that were the case, I probably would vote for some party like the Rhino party just to make a second choice that is not Liberal nor NDP, but would not likely get enough votes to take office.
commented 2016-06-08 10:08:30 -0400
Al Peterson asked, "Why not basically import the Swiss system since it is widely recognized as one of the most democratic systems of all? It controls government rather than the opposite. "

That would be the exact opposite of what Trudeau wants. He wants to have absolute control over the people, so good luck on getting the Swiss system here in Canada.
commented 2016-06-08 07:39:28 -0400
And while the chat is about referendums … referendums should be held federally and provincialy about the proposed carbon taxes that politcians want to cram down our throats!
commented 2016-06-08 07:24:59 -0400
DREW WAKARIUK commented 6 hours ago
This brain dead clown is now talking down to others when it comes to intelligence? LMAO!
Yeah sure Juhhhstin , you are so much smarter than us.
If i ever get as dumb as he is i will just jump off of a bridge.

There’s a bridge just down the street!
commented 2016-06-08 02:36:14 -0400
Peter — proportional election reform will cause the creation of new parties, all along the spectrum, as each interest group tries to elbow their way into a place at the Parliamentary table. Don’t know where you live, but if your ballot had both “Conservative” and a conservative based political party originating from your geographic region promising local based conservative programs, or reflecting your faith, ethnicity, fiscal restraint, libertarianism, a better equipped armed forces, protection for left-handed gingers, etc. you would have a second choice quite easily. You wouldn’t be forced to vote just NDP or Liberal.

That’s where Boy Blunder is opening Pandora’s Box; in one sense our vote is actually aligned to a party, but on the other hand it comes at the cost of giving a damn about a national picture (because you no longer have to as a voter, that would be for the parties to worry about in the coalition to be formed AFTER the election).

National politics literally and figuratively could become more provincial and risk becoming more divisive than under the more broadly inclusive big tent parties we have now.
commented 2016-06-08 01:39:23 -0400
This brain dead clown is now talking down to others when it comes to intelligence? LMAO!
Yeah sure Juhhhstin , you are so much smarter than us.
If i ever get as dumb as he is i will just jump off of a bridge.
commented 2016-06-08 01:04:49 -0400
Why not basically import the Swiss system since it is widely recognized as one of the most democratic systems of all? It controls government rather than the opposite.
commented 2016-06-08 00:58:38 -0400
So let me get this straight, we are smart enough to wade through the “complex” platforms at the time of an election but suddenly we are too stupid or unreliable to wade through the question on a referendum. On the other hand we did vote in Peter Pan so there may be something to this. Perhaps lefties should be consulted and the rest of us should get to vote.
commented 2016-06-08 00:56:58 -0400
Trudeau doesn’t want a referendum because he knows very well that the majority will vote against his little scheme. I too want a clear picture of what will be asked in this referendum….just one simple question….should our electoral system be changed, yes or no, period.
Sean Penson, you are really out of touch, there are plenty of dummy politicians to go around especially on the liberal side & anyone with a lick of sense knows that conservative minded people are far more intelligent. Furthermore, Trudeau campaigned on much more than this & we all know, well maybe not you, but the average voter does not vote someone in because they agree with them on everything, so stop peddling your stupid comments here on The Rebel.
commented 2016-06-08 00:52:01 -0400
I wonder in a ranked ballot system if you refused to mark a second choice would your ballot then be considered a spoiled ballot? Just curious. Because as a Conservative, I would have no choice for a second option.
commented 2016-06-08 00:46:24 -0400
Hey Penson, perhaps we can help out all the stupid people you talk about with a little ‘preimplantation’.
commented 2016-06-08 00:36:45 -0400
It sound like the Liberals want to rig it so they can stay in power forever. That way Canada will go down the tube faster.
commented 2016-06-08 00:23:44 -0400
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commented 2016-06-07 23:42:24 -0400
What is the question for the referendum? The first question should be (and other questions can follow, if necessary), do the majority of Canadians want to change the system period! Of course, NDP and Green Party would advocate different form than first after the post. The Liberals, as they are would go either way, as the status quo has spoken for years and years. Then the real question is, does the Conservative party have the balls to choose a new way of voting? As a Conservative voter, do they finally show some balls, or just be like the wish-washy other parties. If the Conservatives can get their act together, it won’t matter electoral reform, it will be the people who answer. Conservative party HAS to get back to their roots, which is really the grass roots of Canada. Do we, as Canadians still have any balls left? Or are we just accepting of the pendulum swing now? Well, if we let it swing, we are all guilty of the final swing.
commented 2016-06-07 23:16:30 -0400
Hyacinth thanks it makes much more sense now.
commented 2016-06-07 23:02:03 -0400
SEAN PENSON is a Troll.
commented 2016-06-07 22:49:52 -0400
Translation of Sean’s post:
The average Liberal voter isn’t educated enough to understand such complex issues. That is why we Liberals need to be dictated to. That is why we have Liberal politicians, appointed partisan judges, questionable academics, moonbat environmentalists, and alleged experts with questionable credentials as well as Hollywood celebrities that seek whatever venue gets them accolades. That is why Liberals have to be told what to do, from time to time. Electoral reform doesn’t belong to Canadians, but only to hopeful Liberal dictators. Also, this issue was not a key plank in the Liberal Party’s platform so please do overlook this. It’s not Justin’s fault, he’s just the front man. The Liberal Party of Canada is incapable of leading us through these troubled times, but that will not stop us from pretending. Pay no attention to the man holding the strings.

You will be assimilated, resistance is futile.

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re: questionable academics
Canada’s Nuttiest Professors
(Terry O’Neill, Monday, 25 September 2006)
commented 2016-06-07 21:59:30 -0400
Sean — still trying to have everyone on? I get a real kick out of the overboard attempts to be as deliberately contrarian on every issue. I rather like your comments, because they bring into clearer focus what it is I’m standing against.
commented 2016-06-07 21:56:13 -0400
Finally figured out who this Sean Penson really is. It’s Justin’s Pen Name. It has that University failure and drop-out arrogance to it, with a healthy dose of self-love. Don’t stop Justin. This gives you an opportunity to develop your ability to communicate in full sentences. It’s never too soon to do that. Remember it’s already 2016.
commented 2016-06-07 21:40:57 -0400
The average Canadian voter isn’t educated enough to understand such complex issues. That is why we have our betters. That is why we have elected politicians, judges, lawyers, academics, environmentalists, experts and other celebrities. That is why common people have to be told what to do, from time to time. Electoral reform doesn’t belong to the common people, but only experts who have the sense to figure things out.

Also, this issue was a key plank in the Liberal Party’s platform. It’s not Justin’s fault that nobody paid attention.

Only the Liberal Party of Canada is capable of leading us through these troubled times. Only the Liberals can guide us through these reforms
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