August 29, 2018

Elites vs. Grassroots at #CPC18: Will division over supply management “tear party apart”?

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Host | The Gunn Show

Clinton P. Desveaux, a party member from the Halifax area, showed up at the Conservative Party convention with bags full of buttons calling for an end to supply management.


While it may be official party policy to support it, this grassroots anti-supply management activist reports that the response from fellow party members has been phenomenal.

Can this divide between grassroots members and party elites be resolved?

Watch as I discuss the issue with Clinton.

P.S. Watch all of The Rebel's footage from the 2018 CPC convention in Halifax HERE.

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commented 2018-08-30 08:35:42 -0400
The CAW siding with Trump that Supply Mangement should go so that autos remain tariff-free..
It’s waaaaaaay beyond hypocrisy, farce, or comedy.
commented 2018-08-30 03:42:45 -0400
Ron Joseph.. Don’t let him forget that Trudeau hangs around with criminals in India and I think that guy was convicted of attempted murder, then he invites that Omar guy he gave over $10 million to come to parliament and hang out with the fellas for a day … If that’s not criminal association I don’t know what is.!!
commented 2018-08-30 01:16:47 -0400
Previous comment paid for by the government of 🇨🇦 !
commented 2018-08-29 23:38:11 -0400
D. L. Collingworth said: “Another fact: Bernier likes to mingle with people involved in criminal organizations.”

So what D. L., Scheer and Trudeau hang around the crooked Dairy Cartel.
commented 2018-08-29 20:59:00 -0400
Just dawned on me that I forgot to mention Horwath changed her tune on " The party also vows to protect farmland from development," when she backed the Liberal’s green scam in Southwestern Ontario.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-andrea-horwath-calling-ford-a-dictator-a-farce
“…If municipal independence is so precious to you, why did the NDP — with you as their leader — vote in favour of imposing then-Liberal premier Dalton McGuinty’s Green Energy Act on Ontario municipalities in 2009?”
commented 2018-08-29 20:26:20 -0400
Not the unions of old, these are activists.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ofl-president-march-unifor-toronto-090000911.html
OFL President Sid Ryan and officers Nancy Hutchison and Irwin Nanda will march with UNIFOR, Canada’s newest union, in the Toronto Labour Day parade on Monday, September 2 at from 9:00 am to Noon. Ryan will be available for media comment over the long weekend on the importance of Labour Day, Ontario’s changing workforce and the significance of the merger of CAW and CEP into a new kind of labour union.
commented 2018-08-29 20:24:41 -0400
Diagree,? sorry typo, meant disagree
commented 2018-08-29 20:23:52 -0400
- “They see farmers as capitalists who continue to thwart union efforts to organize farm workers.”

Maybe once upon a time but not since the Rae Days.

https://www.realagriculture.com/2018/05/what-could-an-ndp-government-bring-ontario-farmers-a-look-back-to-1995/
… For all the respect he has won in the farm community, Buchanan still wears the NDP collar, a harness that squeezed 14 per cent out of the agriculture budget, reducing it from $576 million in 1991 to $487 million in the 1994 budget. During the same period, the government raised the minimum wage, opened the door to farm labour unions, took up casino gambling and pushed the provincial deficit to $9.6 billion, all unpopular moves with Buchanan’s farm clientele. …He and Liberal agriculture co-critic Joan Fawcett are promising to scrap NDP wetland, planning and labour legislation. Originally, the NDP had planned to scrap agriculture’s exemption from Bill 40, labour legislation, but relented and later offered a separate agriculture labour law – Bill 91 – giving farm workers the right to organize, but not to strike.

https://www.farms.com/ag-industry-news/ndp-election-promises-for-ontario-ag-698.aspx
When it comes to production agriculture, Andrea Horwath and an NDP government would defend supply management and protect Ontario’s Production Insurance Program. The party also vows to protect farmland from development, help young farmers get started in the industry. It would expand the “government’s definition” of farming to include urban farming.

- “The public sector unions have somewhat more clout but the private sector unions are not to be underestimated.”
Agreed, there is not much difference [anymore] between private and public sector unions.

- “that the unions still largely control the NDP”,
Agreed, but they also control the Liberals, this was proven in Ontario.

- “At this point they’re cooling their jets, waiting to see if Trump is bluffing or if Socks’s bargaining team can pull off a miracle. When it appears that it ain’t about to happen, the pressure will be on.”

Diagree, the union heads have already been bought and paid for.
commented 2018-08-29 19:10:47 -0400
Hyacinth, the NDP has no love for farmers. They see farmers as capitalists who continue to thwart union efforts to organize farm workers. The reason the NDP appears to be onside with the farmers on this issue is that the dippers have a love of supply management because it involves government manipulation of the market. It’s not about the milk or the eggs, it’s a long standing dream of dippers to see this kind of government meddling in every area of the economy. Secondary reasons are that they see this as a war of sorts with the Trump administration AND they actually believe that Prime Minister Socks will cleverly pull a rabbit out of his hat and prevail in the negotiations, as laughable as that is.

The other thing that we need to keep in mind is that the unions still largely control the NDP. They’re not as obvious about it anymore but they do. The public sector unions have somewhat more clout but the private sector unions are not to be underestimated. They’ve endured three decades of plant closures that have decimated their membership rolls. Their leaders know that if Trump makes good on his threat about auto industry tariffs, the job losses will be in the tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands. That’s a lot of union dues down the drain. At this point they’re cooling their jets, waiting to see if Trump is bluffing or if Socks’s bargaining team can pull off a miracle. When it appears that it ain’t about to happen, the pressure will be on. If Socks rolls over he’ll call it a great victory for peoplekind, pay the farmers off with our money and take a vacation. It’s not clear that he will though and when the bottom drops out of the economy Andy Scheer may find himself wearing it as well.
commented 2018-08-29 19:06:34 -0400
Vote for Max and make the Trudeau legacy all for nothing except good reading in a history book.!!
commented 2018-08-29 19:05:11 -0400
“Will division over supply management tear of the party apart”.? The conservatives are tearing themselves apart.. The CPC conservatives that wish to end the trade barriers are the ones doing the right thing by exposing and condemning it, while the others are willing to throw the rest of Canada under the bus for literally a handful of dairy farmers. They are the ones who are exposing themselves as the corruption and the rot that exists in the party right now.. Max will just pick up the pieces from this and put the best and brightest back to work… I see the support growing geometrically for this effort.!!
commented 2018-08-29 18:57:58 -0400
I stand with Max.. For Maximum effect vote Bernier in 2019.!!
commented 2018-08-29 18:53:10 -0400
Hyacinth.. it is absolutely so obvious now that P.E.T. was laying the groundwork for this piece of schmuck to dismantle Canada…

Hyacinth.. it is absolutely so obvious now that P.E.T. was laying the groundwork for this piece of schmuck to dismantle Canada…Once again as a reminder to the people on this thread do not speak directly to the troll but if you must… rather speak at “it” in a third-party context.
commented 2018-08-29 18:43:24 -0400
I stand with a true conservative Maxime Bernier . Let freedom reign !
commented 2018-08-29 18:22:59 -0400
So says the government payed lackey . Lol
commented 2018-08-29 18:14:24 -0400
You Bernier bots are just like lefties. Instead of crying racism to avoid facts, you guys use the word troll.

Here’s another fact for you: Bernier is incompetent. He couldn’t even hold down a job when Harper was in power because he left top secret documents at his Hell’s Angels. He is not even qualified to lead anything.

Another fact: Bernier likes to mingle with people involved in criminal organizations.

This is your messiah, people. An incompetent, ego-maniacal, sore loser who associates with crooks.
commented 2018-08-29 18:10:37 -0400
Totally agree Flatwater..Faltearth, it has indeed become a crazy world we live in, but what we are seeing is merely the fruition of the machinations of Pierre Trudeau and his Liberal Dynasty. I don’t want to appear to be a doom-monger but unless a politician actually develops a real spine and tackles the tough issues facing Canada this country will circle the bowl like Venezuela, it is only a matter of time. Scheer is spineless, you know where his allegiance is, he is too busy hiding in Justin’s shadow and agreeing on most issues with him to take note.The NDP have been made redundant as the Liberals are in competition for the far left position. Our only hope is that Trump will slap Canada hard making the politicians come to their senses. People had fun back in the PET days until the bills hit their wallet, maybe that is what is needed again to wake the slumbering sheeple.
commented 2018-08-29 16:40:15 -0400
Hyacinth… it has to be a crazy world that we live in when the president of the United States is trying to take better care of the people here then our commander-in-chief.
commented 2018-08-29 16:31:33 -0400
Listen to the troll… “It” thinks there are similarities between democratic conservatives and Hillary Clinton.. A troll was never known for “its” intellect.! Justin is gambling that Trump will be impeached and that’s why he’s thumbing his nose at him but when that doesn’t happen most Canadians in Ontario will be eating the corn from their own shit to put a meal on the table.!!
commented 2018-08-29 16:16:34 -0400
Written like a government sponsored troll . Lol
commented 2018-08-29 16:08:12 -0400
Hilarious news today. No member of the CPC has thrown their support around Hillary Clinton, er sorry, Bernier. I get the two mixed up because they are so much alike.

So if you thought Justin’s cabinet is inexperienced, imagine what kind of nobodies Hillary will bring in.

Speaking of Justin, notice how the only person as tanned as he is, is Bernier? The two must have vacationed together when they came up with the stupid plan to split the right vote.

The rest of the Conservatives are all pale because they have actually been working this

I hope you guys have your excuses ready when Scheer beats Bernier. I wonder what it will be this time. Russia, maybe?
commented 2018-08-29 15:52:27 -0400
And people wouldn’t buy more cheese to make lasagna if they got a better deal on the product?
Isn’t that what a free market system is supposed to provide?
commented 2018-08-29 15:33:22 -0400
" If it’s a choice between keeping the dairy lobby happy or losing thousands of jobs to auto industry tariffs, even Trudeau may roll over eventually (wait until the manufacturing unions start twisting his arm)."

Sorry, even the unions are onboard with the cartel that is in place, the NDP and Scheer are also behind Trudeau on this.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/our-dairy-egg-and-poultry-producers-dont-want-to-compete-our-politicians-agree
…The NDP places millionaire dairy farmers in the same class as union labourers. Dairy farms that have hired labour must be the only class of employers that the NDP is not sworn to victimize. …
So the entire Canadian political establishment stands, like Horatius at the bridge, ready to fight to the death any foreign attacker of this rotten system. All the politicians (except apparently Bernier) are so pledged to the marketing board system that it can only be concluded that a trade agreement such as a renewed NAFTA would be rejected if it required dismantling of the supply-management monopoly. The milk-and-feather lobby expects nothing less and as far as it is concerned the 99 per cent of the non-supply-managed economy can go to hell.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/np-view-andrew-scheers-conservatives-are-as-fake-on-free-trade-as-trudeau
Andrew Scheer’s Conservatives are as fake on free trade as Trudeau
Neither Tories nor Liberals dare take on the apparently overwhelming political power of a few thousand dairy and poultry producers …
… But neither party dares to take on the apparently overwhelming political power of a few thousand dairy and poultry producers, concentrated in a handful of ridings in Ontario and Quebec, protected by massive tariff walls and a cartelized supply system. That doesn’t simply increase the cost of food staples for Canadian consumers, effectively making it a tax on lower-income families (who spend a greater proportion of their income on basics). It also is a hindrance that has repeatedly complicated Canadian efforts to secure trade deals with other economies: The Trans Pacific Partnership, the EU’s CETA negotiation, and NAFTA talks have all struggled to overcome our resistance. … The few thousand dairy and poultry farmers who signed up as instant Conservatives during the party’s last leadership race to give leader Andrew Scheer his razor-thin margin of victory over a vocal opponent of supply management, Maxime Bernier, must consider their one-time membership fees the best investment they ever made. Scheer has ensured that there is no Canadian federal party that will stand up for genuine free trade, or even for consumers. Trump would seem to be the only one demanding a better deal for Canadian families.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-commentary/canadas-supply-management-system-for-dairy-is-no-longer-defensible/article36029788/
Our made-in-Canada cartel, based on high-price fixing, production control and extremely high tariffs, is the sick cow of global agricultural trade. The wealthy and powerful dairy, poultry and egg lobby has been able to engage in behaviour that for everyone else would be illegal. … “Supply management ‘protects’ the family farm.” Not only is this false, the opposite is true. In Canada, the rate of consolidation has actually been higher – yes, higher – in the supply-managed dairy, poultry and egg sectors, than in most other agricultural sectors. Whereas in the 1970s, there were approximately 145,000 dairy producers, there are now barely more than 9,000.

http://brianlilley.com/dairy-cartel-hits-mad-max/
No matter how you slice this stinky cheese, Bernier is being booted from his critic’s role for opposing supply management. Canadian politicians are lining up to pledge their undying loyalty to what amounts to a communist central planning system all because Donald Trump attacked it.
Well actually, all Canadian parties and all current and former elected leaders have paid lip service to supporting supply management. That doesn’t change the fact that it is a communist central planning system, but they all do support it.
commented 2018-08-29 15:09:32 -0400
Great interview Sheila .
commented 2018-08-29 14:12:02 -0400
FW FE , Another common sense comment from you . I cannot wait for the day when we get sick of WINNING !
commented 2018-08-29 14:09:17 -0400
Wanda Orion , That is a well thought out comment . Common sense and right to the point . Thank you .?
commented 2018-08-29 14:04:03 -0400
Wanda not wonder.. sorry for the typos and spellcheck deficiencies.
commented 2018-08-29 14:03:00 -0400
Wonder… Well written piece but you forgot to take one thing into consideration and that is neither Justin or Andy are any kind of normal human beings… Both are narsacistic ego- centrical with both showing psychopathic tendencies while being only self-serving and have little to zero empathy towards anybody be on themselves