July 16, 2017

Everything's Bigger in Australia (Especially the Elon Musk Con-Job)

Mark LathamRebel Host

Australia will be home to the latest renewable energy con-job: a big expensive battery created by Elon Musk and paid for by the poor long-suffering South Australian taxpayer.

Sometimes you hear it said “everything’s big in Texas”. Well, I’m saying that if you reckon that, you ain’t been to Australia. We LOVE big things here Down Under.

We’ve got the big banana, the big redback spider, the big lobster, the big pineapple, the big potato, the big penguin, the big Ned Kelly, the big boxing crocodile, the big mango, the big gumboot, the big kangaroo, the big milkshake container, the big beercan, and perhaps my favourite, the big bogan.

I love the big Bogan, with his beer can and stubbies.

Now we’ve actually got a government in Australia sponsoring more big things.

The South Australian government led by the wild leftie Jay Weatherill has gone after a target of 50 per cent renewable energy.

Now he thinks that a big battery will solve South Australia’s energy problems.  

In reality, the big battery will only add marginal benefit.

It’s just another con-job on the poor long-suffering taxpayer.

Australia needs a sustainable, reliable source of power. We’ve got to go nuclear and forget these wild experiments into con-job renewables.

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commented 2017-07-17 19:55:56 -0400
Yes! Make SA the nuclear power State.
Maralinga, Woomera, Roxby, Kimba.
Our defence against China should be nuclear subs with nuclear engines and nuclear bombs.
Waste isn’t what it used to be (see stable salt reactors) and SA is v dry + v geologically stable. Good stuff. Looking at a couple if hundred years now, not tens of thousands. Get the gig while we can!
Do it like Sweden oil. HUSBAND the whole project, instead of selling resource for royalties and ‘trusting’ China to dispose of waste properly. (Lol Gillard, what a donk).
Thanks and PS i don’t work in this field.
commented 2017-07-17 13:05:21 -0400
Thanks Bill
We live in Canada during the winter EVs are a joke.
Batteries dont like the cold and become less efficient the colder they get. So add a heater to the batteries and heat them from the batteries to warm them up. Batteries also dont like heaters as electric heaters are a form of direct short. Low batteries will also freeze. Solar panels in winter produce 1/10 the power of summer. located far enough North it is 24 hour darkness. My armature experiments with Inverters from DC to AC in winter would run a 1500 watt heater for twenty minutes and take five days to charge the battery back up from the solar cell. This is with the battery in a heated garage. No free lunch. No perpetual motion machine.
commented 2017-07-17 11:35:31 -0400
There really is no way to convince Andrew Stephenson. He is convince of his superiority and is incapable of changing his mind with stupid inconvenient things like facts.

All the facts and just plain common sense will never convince him that he lives in a dream world where pixi dust powers the world and unicorns roam free.
commented 2017-07-17 10:42:48 -0400
Andrew Stephenson, I have posted the questions below in previous threads and you haven’t provided any answers. I’m pretty confident your arguments are based on theoretical ownership of an EV, on paper your EV is reliable, is it?!
commented 2017-07-17 10:39:31 -0400
Bill Elder, thanks for your posts.
Andrew Stephenson, give up already! You are clearly not an electrical engineer. Not sure why you continue to post ridiculous counter-arguments on this topic.

Andrew,How much did you spend on your EV? How much is your electricity bill to charge your EV? Have you every been stranded? How well does your EV perform during winter? Can your EV keep up with the demands of using heat or air conditioning & add the radio and windshield wipers? Have you ever taken a lengthy road trip in your EV?
commented 2017-07-17 09:10:03 -0400
Andrew , do you live your life in the Canadian winter in bouts of trickles
commented 2017-07-17 09:06:37 -0400
BILL ELDER. ! , who new that about you , love it , your our resident E ENGINEERING EXPERT

I worked on one of the dam projects when I was 18 years old , back in the mid 60s ,and I’AM still using that dam to charge my car and truck and boat batteries

Andrew Stephenson , we at the REBEL totally agree with the ELDER ABUSE that BILL perpetrates on you
commented 2017-07-17 03:25:56 -0400
Andrew Stephenson commented – “Trickle charging’ isn’t a barrier”

Uhh, well, yes it is. Now you’re just being willfully ignorant – did you read what I said with any understanding. Time/charge delay in wet cell technology is the main encumbrance to EVs being practical. An EV should never loose charge when in motion. Having limited range and unreliable performance is NOT fine with consumers – and EV sales reflect this.

You don’t have to subsidize technologies which perform to application needs.
commented 2017-07-17 00:29:30 -0400
""Trickle charging’ isn’t a barrier in many applications and it’s a reality for most home chargers anyway. The daily commuter who is using all of 5kwh to drive 15km to work and back, should be fine with it. You won’t get 100% market coverage with that, but you don’t need to for a viable project.
commented 2017-07-16 23:58:36 -0400
Bill Elder, thanx for the info.
commented 2017-07-16 19:58:07 -0400
As an E-Eng. I can tell you factually that battery technology is nowhere near the efficiency it needs to be for the applications they are putting it to. If EV battery tech was evolved to the point of usable efficiency needed for transportation apps. If they were the motivity generation of the moving vehicle would give the charge needed to sustain the battery at peak charge, and not need AC converted trickle charging.

This is an endemic problem with wet cell batteries – CHARGE RATE LAG – they are essentially delicate structures and in order to avert premature deterioration (accelerated life cycle), slow charge rate is needed – this time/charge deficit limits the effectiveness as do wide temp fluctuations and extreme temp operation. This is the nature of this beast.

For a large scale storage cell project as Musk proposes, peak Grid or spike usage draw would cause quick drain or fry the controllers and charge time would be beyond a 24hr cycle if solar/wind generation is used (Battery deep Amp usage will null fluctuating DC charge sources – At best it would be an intermittent power source with down times – unless they expand the mega cell array and this would make cost efficiency untenable. I’m all for experimenting with new systems but private investors should fund it not tax payers – particularly high risk projects like this.

I have owned a number of E-bikes and I have modded them as best I can for peak operational efficiency and although they are reliable in short range limited weight/speed transport they completely give out every 2 years (motor windings resistive, cells boiled) meaning the ROI of $2.5K for the mileage traveled is not that of a gas motorcycle of similar capability.
commented 2017-07-16 19:27:01 -0400
HELENE. I think you might have accidentally hit the ‘Caps Lock’ key. It’s ok, it happens. Computers and stuff.
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commented 2017-07-16 18:19:18 -0400
Ummm…don’t batteries have to be charged? Presumably by something else? Good thing we have millions of Chinese ready to die of toxic poisoning to make ’em too. Then again we had guys with widow makers digging coal for us 100 years ago, so what the hell do I know. Bill Elder, the coffee just came out of my nose.
commented 2017-07-16 17:05:47 -0400
“Drew Wakariuk commented 17 mins ago
Andrew Stephenson more fantasy from you, if this stuff was so great the taxpayer would not have to subsidize it so heavily and see so little in return. And after 3 years you have way less power and storage. 8 years is a ridiculous number to assume. Try some reality. And they are not green, what part of that don’t you understand? "

The 8 years is right out of the Breitbart report (and is the worst case scenario, the range given is 3-8). The battery longevity has exceeded expectations and many vehicles from that era are still on their original packs.

We’re approaching the inflection point where subsidies are no longer necessary.

“Same goes for the millions of birds and bats butchered or fried by these grotesquely inefficient, unreliable and highly polluting wind and solar green scams. ”https://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/“>https://www.wired.com/2016/03/teslas-electric-cars-might-not-green-think/
Take away the tax rape subsidies and watch what happens. Oh wait, ”https://www.nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/07/11/tesla-sales-hong-kong-fall-zero/“>https://www.nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/07/11/tesla-sales-hong-kong-fall-zero/”

Domesetic cats kill somewhere around a hundred times more birds than wind turbines do.

No vehicle is “green”, there are a lot of resources put into them and the intangibles like the sprawl they encourage are environmentally pretty terrible. That being said, BEVs do seem to represent a small improvement over ICE vehicles, and will improve over time as efficiencies increase and battery recycling reduces the impact of de-novo lithium production.

The Hong Kong example doesn’t really say anything, other than the fact that everybody that was planning to buy one, rushed while subsidies were still available. If you’ve ever been in Toronto when TTC fares went up you’ll recall the token hoarding. Demand doesn’t go away, it just temporarily reidstributes, and the huge surge right before the end of subsidies (more in that last month than the previous year combined) tells us that that’s exactly what happened. It’ll be quiet for six months, until a new pool of prospective buyers start to accumulate and sales return.
commented 2017-07-16 16:45:11 -0400
If you want to go electric try a Chevy bolt , much more realistic than any of the crap Musk pushes in his fantasy world. This clown will go down in history as a scam artist.
commented 2017-07-16 16:43:23 -0400
People like Andrew think something that loses efficiency is somehow gaining in saving energy.
commented 2017-07-16 16:41:44 -0400
Andrew Stephenson more fantasy from you, if this stuff was so great the taxpayer would not have to subsidize it so heavily and see so little in return. And after 3 years you have way less power and storage. 8 years is a ridiculous number to assume. Try some reality. And they are not green, what part of that don’t you understand?
commented 2017-07-16 16:34:31 -0400
Hey Mark, how about sending one of those Big Beer Cans to Canada. I know the perfect place to put it, even if our PM objects.
commented 2017-07-16 14:22:36 -0400
I agree with Canadian Mongrel, Mr. Latham, you let the kangaroo out of the bag! Hopefully the “Canadian Quartet of Stupidity” will not see your video.

There is no idiotic green scheme that the quartet won’t spend our hard earned tax dollars on. And if they do not have enough, they’ll just borrow it.
commented 2017-07-16 14:11:25 -0400
Freedom Rebel commented 5 hours ago
“There in nothing “green” about Tesla’s: ”http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/21/delingpole-tesla-car-batteries-co2-not-remotely-green-study-finds/">http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/21/delingpole-tesla-car-batteries-co2-not-remotely-green-study-finds/

These greenscams suck up to $30,000 per car out of the pockets of factory workers making $14/hr., thanks to worthless, criminal, virtue signalling “politrickians” and their media scum cohorts. "

If the worst case scenario that even staunch opponents such as Breitbart can find, is just over 8 years for ROI, then that actually highlights the strength of the technology. If the car lasts ore than 8.3 years then you ARE reaping considerable savings since once you’re past the end of that 8.3 year ROI period, it’s now actively reducing emissions. The original Tesla Roadsters have started passing that benchmark and are now representing real emissions reductions, even by these worst-case-scenario numbers. It’s probably a lot better, since this particular study doesn’t compare lifecycle to lifecycle, only a few subcomponents.

As for the tax rebate, given who buys BEVs right now, they’re mostly getting their own money back. A 200k/yr individual paying 90k in taxes is not pocketing money from the 30k a year factory worker who pays 5k. The latter is still a net recipient of government services on the back of the former, even if the 200k executive temporarily pays only 60k in taxes in that one year.
commented 2017-07-16 13:47:59 -0400
BTW Mark – perhaps a topic for future discussion could be the parallels between Bogan and hoser culture.

Q: How do you know if you’re a bogan? A: You let your 15-year-old daughter smoke at the dinner table in front of her kids.

Q. What does a bogan use as protection during sex? A. The bus shelter.

Q. What do you call a bogan girl in a white tracksuit? A. The bride.
commented 2017-07-16 13:27:28 -0400
Mark – love your commentary, great to hear what our Oz cousins are up to – Love the “big” theme – I bet big bogan needs a big big beer for his big big thirst. ;-)

Stick with the bogans and you can’t go wrong.

commented 2017-07-16 13:18:53 -0400
@ Sandra Singleton – sounds like a work from home escort service.
commented 2017-07-16 10:55:31 -0400
Canadian Mongrel, good one!
commented 2017-07-16 10:30:09 -0400
Darn it Mr. Latham, you have just given Canada’s Quartet of Stupidity (Baby Doc, Wynne, Notley, Horgan) another idea to drive Canada over the cliff.
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