June 18, 2015

Ex-Toronto police officer: Carding is now "on steroids"

Marissa SemkiwArchive

I talked about the controversial police practice of "carding" with security expert and former Toronto police officer, Ross McLean.

He explains how the controversial police procedure originated, and how it has evolved.

Police now have a carding quota to fill every day, for one thing. McLean says police also aren't following proper procedure when asking for ID and recording this data.

He doesn't support carding in its current form and thinks it's time to reform the practice.

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commented 2015-06-19 11:15:40 -0400
Prince K. I had no idea you could have a box number only on your drivers licence.
commented 2015-06-19 11:05:33 -0400
I don’t understand the whole concept, if you are suspicious to the police then you should be checked out plain and simple. But what I have observed is that the police now a days are to damn lazy to do " police work" . I had quite a interesting conversation with a retired RCMP Sargent not long ago and he said that the modern policemen would rather sit at the computer and try to solve crimes that way instead of wearing out a little boot leather and engage with the public. We have, in my small town a drug dealing punk that was starving his father and lit his mother on fire, this has been brought to the attention of the police from concerned citizens but the response from the police is that he’s small potatoes and you get a condescending pat on the head that the the police are aware of his activities. I think this carding is away to get these policemen off their asses and on the street where they belong .
commented 2015-06-19 09:59:40 -0400
Liza Rosie — yes, we have to have a correct address on our drivers licenses, but it doesn’t have to be “accurate” — my correct address is a box number, and the provincial gov’t accepts this on my license! (A box number could be physically anywhere…)
commented 2015-06-19 09:51:06 -0400
The irony is that violent crime has soared over 40% in New York since Mayor Blasio ended carding 2 years ago. Of course, the increase in victims is primarily minorities. I saw a report recently about minority citizens begging for the return of carding. But of course, they can die, as long as their ‘rights’ are being protected.
commented 2015-06-19 00:21:07 -0400
I live in a city where police corruption and lax police vigilance is a big problem. If they ever adopted the Carding strategy, innocent people are going to be harassed even more then they already are. I support Carding in theory, but when put into practice it can become a tool for oppression.
commented 2015-06-18 23:13:44 -0400
Where in Canada don’t they have pictured drivers License, or ID card? You have to identify yourself if asked in Canada also. or am I missing something?
commented 2015-06-18 22:39:36 -0400
Europeans have a pictured driver’s license and a pictured ID Card.
commented 2015-06-18 21:57:25 -0400
Peter, if you have a drivers license it has to have the correct address on it, believe me the authorities know where we live. I don’t have a problem with it, I just don’t want the police to be defining anything. I want the government to lay out what they can and cannot do and when. I vote the government in, I can’t vote in the police.
commented 2015-06-18 21:18:50 -0400
And, as an afterthought, what effect has Carding had on any Crime Rates?
commented 2015-06-18 21:15:54 -0400
Fact is, Europeans all carry Identification Cards, Personalausweis. Europeans are Registered to where they live. If they move, they must tell the Authorities and Re-Register. And when the Police stop you, you better have your Registered ID Card.. It’s not that far away.
commented 2015-06-18 21:02:35 -0400
I support it too. Better to know who hangs out in the neighborhood and having info that you were somewhere may also help the police in finding someone who may have witnessed something when they are investigating some crime. Unknowingly you may have seen another person in the neighborhood if the police knew you were there at the time some crime was committed. You may have information that may be nothing to you but valuable to the police. You are not always the “suspect” but sometimes a “witness”. Don’t get your nose bent out of joint. I support the police.
commented 2015-06-18 19:53:24 -0400
I want the police to have what they need to keep us and themselves safe. I do not want the rules to be left to the discretion of the police. Absolutely correct Ross McLean, we need some guidance in Parliament on this. The guidelines must be free of interpretation, by any Provincial police or RCMP.
commented 2015-06-18 19:03:03 -0400
Frankly I wouldn’t care if the police do carding with me so long as they are not demanding or in any way belligerent or bullying. If I have the right to say, “This conversation is over.” and walk away without consequences, then I am fine with the practice.
commented 2015-06-18 18:50:38 -0400
Funny the Black police chief supports carding. When carding was implemented in My city the murders and crime dropped significantly. The new NY city mayor got rid and crime is way up. Left Wing nuts at work!!!
commented 2015-06-18 18:44:09 -0400
“Papers Please” The march towards a Police State. There needs to be rules and firm guidelines about this practice. Otherwise, we’re just assuming everyone is guilty until they can prove themselves innocent. Napoleonic Law! Even C-51, the bill everyone is so up in arms about requires judicial oversight!
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