May 16, 2017

Explaining “MGTOW”: What this men's rights trend is all about

Rebel Staff

There’s a population of men in our society calling themselves MGTOW: "Men Who Go Their Own Way."

They reject marriage and romantic relationships with women citing the rise of second and third wave feminism, decline of traditional family values, and family court systems.
To MGTOWs, there are fewer benefits in associating romantically or even sexually with women due to the prevailing social and legal landscape
Though lots of it’ members do stereotype all women, and, as you can imagine, this lifestyle isn’t very good for a society in the longrun, WATCH my video to see some of their legitimate points.
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commented 2017-05-27 16:57:43 -0400
BTW : islam btw gets ONE THING right : women ( underevolved, childish useless parasitegender ) must not be asked; things must simply be decided over their heads and they simply have to be taken and enslaved if necessary ( otherways that useless, mentally defect everparasiting #PARASITEGENDER ) will stay just that : useless parasites and burdens to society ).

Rest of islam is utter shit tho; and had they not THAT rule, they would have ceased to exist long time ago; instead : WE DONT have THAT ONE very RULE => and now WEEEEEEE cease to exist (literally die out), WTF !!!!!

THINK ABOUT ESPECIALLY THAT LAST PART HONESTLY JUST FOR A MOMENT !!
commented 2017-05-19 01:44:05 -0400
@Anonymous…thank you for than clarification…I stopped attending the (I always called it faciciously) Stepford Men’s Club because of the pessimisim and defeatism that was prevailant there. Well…that and DREWJ’s Martin Bormann style paranoia and distrust of everyone….

Some people assumed I was a re-invented ZENPRIEST….but I am not he…I would love to actually meet him one day. He was a great mentor to me and to others.

You would be surprised what you can acheive when you get the resolve to do it, and even though Mr Gerula’s site was a Red Greene outpost …….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8fSwzRzKGg

Way up in Canada’s Siberian fronteer….they were doing great work down where the rubber meets the road and I got the chance to sharpen my claws there and practice the craft of rhetoric I had learned.

That site and Ken Weibe’s BCFATHERS. It all seemed futile and overwhealming when I was doing it…but now it is common vernacular and daily discourse.

Today it is like looking at the wasted field I turned into a much more practical woodlot….your life is a product of the seeds you sow….except for the efforts of enemies who sew weeds and screw with your crop.
commented 2017-05-18 14:16:14 -0400
@Jay Fayza
Sorry, I meant:
@Jay Kelly (But the ‘MGTOW is not…’ is for you (Fayza))
commented 2017-05-18 14:13:37 -0400
@Jay Fayza
MRM = Men’s Rights Movement
MRA = Men’s Rights Activist (or Advocate)

MGTOW is not a rights group, and most MGTOW think that activism is unproductive and a waste of time, though this is not part of the philosophy, as many MRAs are also MGTOW.
commented 2017-05-18 12:59:22 -0400
This whole sucking up to the First Wave of Feminism as a noble force for good needs to stop. They were racist, sexist, white supremacist open man haters who attacked innocent people and made terrorist bombings among other attacks.

https://www.amazon.com/White-Womens-Rights-Origins-Feminism/dp/0195124669/
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5317/
http://the-toast.net/2014/04/21/suffragettes-sucked-white-supremacy-womens-rights/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/magazine/how-a-fractious-womens-movement-came-to-lead-the-left.html?r=0#permid=21414430?smid=pl-share
https://www.avoiceformen.com/education/quiz-suffagists-ku-klux-klan-or-feminazis-part-1/
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Legal_Subjection_of_Men
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Fraud_of_Feminism
https://www.opendemocracy.net/5050/nicoletta-f-gullace/white-feather-girls-womens-militarism-in-uk
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/christabel-pankhurst-the-white-feather-betrayal-of-history/
http://www.historytoday.com/fern-riddell/weaker-sex-violence-and-suffragette-movement
http://no-maam.blogspot.com/2003/12/sends-husband-to-jail-to-aid-suffrage.html
https://www.scribd.com/doc/205734334/First-Wave-Feminists-Physically-Attack-Prime-Minister-Asquith-1913
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=R7RfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=xWwNAAAAIBAJ&dq=queen%20victoria%20suffragette&pg=6275%2C3514237
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=lxcqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BYUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6299%2C275887
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=uBwbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LEkEAAAAIBAJ&dq=suffrage%20whip&pg=5090%2C4131098
https://archive.is/Fav5w
https://archive.is/nJZX5
https://www.scribd.com/document/175344555/Feminist-President-of-the-National-Women-s-Party-Wanted-Women-as-Dictators-1922
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ZqIkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2CcDAAAAIBAJ&dq=suffragette%20bomb&pg=5013%2C1172933
http://www.albany.edu/history/digital/stanton/law.html
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B-ELQhEQCrUFfngzbXROZmV2eF9ESDNWc1BoNXpvODBIQm4zNUpRQVY1OE56dmZZUkRmRGM
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=y788AAAAIBAJ&sjid=Gy4MAAAAIBAJ&dq=suffragette%20bomb&pg=3709%2C1299690
https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/19y76jtzk02rrb3o/images/1-bb9ececbd3.jpg
https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=j_2sfT5pwQ0C&printsec=frontcover&redir
esc=y#v=onepage&q=Mrs.%20Millicent%20Fawcett%27s%20non-violent&f=false
commented 2017-05-18 01:19:53 -0400
I was watching a Stefan Molyneux video where he stated that women receive $175,000. more than they put in the Government pot over their lifetime. Part of the reason for this inequity is women live longer.
commented 2017-05-18 01:14:21 -0400
Second and third wave feminism were and are not nearly as bad as first wave feminism. First wavers weren’t interested in universal suffrage, they only wanted votes for women. That is to say, only property owning white women, not black women, or especially black men, or white women and men without property.

Here’s what Rebecca Latimer Felton, the first Female U.S. Senator and 1st wave Feminist had to say about black men and voting rights.

“I do not want to see a negro man walk to the polls and vote on who should handle my tax money, while I myself cannot vote at all. Is that fair?”

When there is not enough religion in the pulpit to organize a crusade against sin; nor justice in the court house to promptly punish crime; nor manhood enough in the nation to put a sheltering arm about innocence and virtue—-if it needs lynching to protect woman’s dearest possession from the ravening human beasts—-then I say lynch, a thousand times a week if necessary.” August 11, 1897
commented 2017-05-18 01:11:16 -0400
Sorry Will can’t help ya. Where do you feel you fit in? Can you imagine fitting in?Maybe you are too young to remember when there actually were cases of normal/male female relationships. They even exist today. What I want to see are laws changed so women are not given precedence over men’s rights, whether it be in bed,with custody of children or child support, and as far as I am concerned alimony should not even exist. If the laws didn’t favour women, women would change. It is time all people expected and got used to ‘fair’ across the board. We have to stop accommodating one sex over the other. It makes for spoiled entitled bitches nobody wants to touch with a 10 foot pole. Bad for society.

I have sons who won’t have children and won’t get married. I cannot blame them. They see their friends getting screwed over by spoiled entitled stupid women/girls, whose mothers need to taken to task. I want this war against men stopped. We need to change the laws.
commented 2017-05-18 00:03:35 -0400
I’ll admit, I’m a MGTOW. With that being said, I’m curious about these people who say something needs to be done about increasing fairness to men.
Just what should be done here?
Ask any MGTOW and they will tell you that there is no tangible difference between Traditionalism and Feminism as both demand men pay for women despite no return is guaranteed. That plus the fact that men are targets for all of the worlds ills in media and entertainment, the workplace, the legal system, all areas of education, and every facet of politics just to name a few.
And everything is initiated by government supported by Traditionalism/ Feminism, or vice-versa.
Its a cycle which will never be satisfied unless all men are either in prison, or dead.
So realistically, what other option is there?
commented 2017-05-17 23:04:26 -0400
This is as important an issue as the abortion issue in my opinion. It is never discussed by the people who have the power to change the laws. The absurdly unfair treatment men get in the courts has got to stop. Mothers and sisters are sick to the back teeth seeing their sons and brothers lives ruined by vindictive women who are emboldened by bad and unbalanced laws. It is high time this topic was addressed in Parliament and changed in the courts. It’s criminal. It is war on men, absolutely! It is a war on society. We are a sick and twisted society to be putting up with it.
commented 2017-05-17 16:10:43 -0400
I’ve followed the MGTOW mindset carefully since 2011 and very much enjoy their work. There are some angry bros in there, which is called ‘red pill rage’ or the inevitable rage one feels after discovering one has been severely duped, in this case by feminist inspired hyper-gynocentrism, normal tradcon inspired gynocentrism and women’s true white knight, the state.

The takeaway for me of MGTOW is, “Never give a woman or the state any legal and/or financial power over your life.” I follow that rule religiously to the extent possible and it has served me very well. Oh…the life damage I’ve escaped/avoided by simply following that one rule.

MGTOW ‘teachings’ deprogrammed my mind of the illusions and enchantments regarding female nature as well as the state’s nature. I add the state to the mix simply because both women and the state value women’s lives far more than men’s; hence the male only draft—men last in the life boats—men’s lives being sacrificed in war for the advancement of women and the state—the fact that men built all of civilization and now the state is forcing the power and wealth derived from that achievement from men to women—that women get far less harsh punishments for equal crimes—that the vast majority of state and federal spending on health, education and welfare goes to women, even though men pay the majority of taxes and always have—that the vast majority of alimony, asset division and child support flows from men to women—that the most life threatening, life shortening, most laborious jobs have always been ‘traditionally male’—because in our post-industrial, post agricultural, ‘information society’, women are given preference over men in employment, which incidentally didn’t happen when the only available jobs were life threatening/shortening—and because women are given quotas only for the most prestigious, most powerful, most lucrative positions and not the ‘traditionally male’ jobs. MGTOW cut through the hypocrisy and double standards like a knife through butter. They really are a fascinating lot. Much wisdom to be had in their words. Mahatma Gandhi would be proud.

So you see, the MGTOW mindset cuts through all the BS one reads in books, sees in movies and TV shows, hears in music and just lay out the reality minus the gynocentrism, cultural misandry and male disposability. In other words, MGTOW is the cure for gynocentric social programming—a deadly, anti-male paradigm in which no man should live.

Some claim MGTOW to be extreme. If you call men not wanting to give women and the state the legal and/or financial power to destroy their lives (aka marriage), then yes, MGTOW are extreme. But that’s hardly a good definition of ‘extreme’.

But isn’t sending almost exclusively men off to war to fight and die for women’s and the state’s advancement over men a tad extreme, or is it just plain evil?

How about the vast majority of alimony, asset division and child support flowing from men to women? Extreme or just plain evil?

Men getting far harsher punishments for the same crimes as women? Extreme or just plain evil?

The vast majority of homeless shelters being sexist against men when the vast majority of the homeless are male? Extreme or just plain evil?

Removing men’s rights to presumption of innocence and due process through Affirmative Consent? Extreme or just plain evil?

The vast majority of federal and state spending on health, education and welfare going to women – even though men do now and have always paid the majority of taxes? Extreme or just plain evil?

How about the fact that men built all your roads, bridges, sewers, space ships, institutions of higher learning (lol), etc – with the results of that wealth and power now being forcefully transferred via the state from men to women with Title IX, Affirmative Consent and Affirmative Action? Extreme or just plain evil?

You see, it’s gynocentrism that’s extreme (and evil), not MGTOW. MGTOW simply don’t want women or the state to have the financial/legal power to destroy their lives following the wrath of a woman scorned. That’s not extreme. That’s simply looking out for one’s own best interests.

Will society ever care about men and boys enough to stop these criminal, sociopathic injustices? Not until a major financial collapse, major natural disaster, war or some catastrophe occurs which again mandates men’s lives be sacrificed en masse for the good of women and the state. At that point, priority will once again be given to men in most leadership roles, empty medals will be handed out, the charade of faux support for men will become somewhat more tangible and the whole process will start anew. Tis how nations rise and fall really. It’s the perennial exploitation, trafficking, usury and disposal of men and the concomitant force of the wealth and power from men to women and the state (via state force) that enables civilization’s fall.
commented 2017-05-17 13:00:53 -0400
There is a VERY LARGE Faction called TFRM (The Fathers Rights Movement) that is actively involved in trying to get laws changed to level the playing field when it comes to divorce and child custody. MGTOW has some great points and some of these points are things we are actively involved in. We do not agree that we want to live our lives separate from women or some of the other more critical perspectives MGTOW has. In fact, we have a huge following of women who are working tirelessly to help men and fathers to have equal rights. Join the fight in your state by visiting TFRM on Facebook and join the discussion. Each state has people working as Page Editors to grow the effort.
commented 2017-05-17 09:59:11 -0400
MGTOW is a symptom of an infection that is killing society. It is like a fever that if the cause is not addressed will kill the host. The equivalent of the MGTOW in Japan is known as the Herbivore Man. Herbivore’s come from a different origin point but have the same impact as they are very anti-family, and anti-children. This has caused the Herbivore to become sex negative, and they actually view it as messy and meaningless. The MGTOW of the west is not quite there yet but when they reach this turning point time will be up.
commented 2017-05-17 06:28:31 -0400
MGTOW is a direct result of over forty years of war on men and boys in this country. Today, in Canada, prison, racism, violence, murder, homelessness, homophobia, mental illness, suicide, reproductive rights, rampant misandry in our courts, workplace discrimination, workplace injuries and death, military deaths, parental bias, failing our veterans failing education, lack of empathy and compassion, lack of choices, degradation, dehumanization, etc., are all overwhelmingly male experiences of gender injustice. Even sexual assault and domestic violence equally affect men. Over two thirds of missing and murdered Aboriginals are men and boys. These are all examples of historical disadvantages that men have endured due to male gender role expectations There’s a huge male underclass in this society, as compared to those in power, influence and authority. Chivalrous men at the top who more often than not attain their influence, power and authority at the expense of other mens value, rights, justice, dignity, humanity and compassion.

The reason that this is allowed to exist is that other men, especially those in power and authority, are blind and indifferent to the condition of other men. So a growing number of men are going MGTOW. Marriage is a minefield for men. The system is so geared against men that odds of being destroyed by family court make a fools paradise. Men are waking up not only to the misandry of feminism, but also to the willingness of other men willing to make them expendable to the faux-chivalry of other men. That’s why the men’s movement is now growing rapidly. There is no stopping a movement who’s time has come.
commented 2017-05-17 02:58:15 -0400
People, people, every man and woman in the west rest easy: Islam’s got this one.
commented 2017-05-17 00:32:48 -0400
William Gerula, could you clarify what “mrm” and “mra” are? By the way Jay Fayza in no way defends misogyny. You should listen to what he has to say.
commented 2017-05-17 00:18:38 -0400
I worry for my daughter. I was hoping she would have her wedding day,but thanks to feminism all the boy’s are saying never
commented 2017-05-17 00:16:04 -0400
If it was not for people like Glen Craig the mrm would still be in its infancy.
As for Jay Kelly,Isn’t one that doesn’t know what MGTOW is probably can’t tell a mra from a misogynist. 99% of mra’s are not this way at all. She probably thinks a valid point is misogynistic. Like most feminists.
commented 2017-05-16 22:59:11 -0400
Bill Elder— said " It would be a shame to see these young guys feel regret later in life for never having been a loving father and husband."

As Jay Fayza said at the end, there is much more to MGTOW than he mentioned:
Bill these men can easily reproduce, just like women buying sperm, men can go to the same place and buy the eggs from the donor they choose. Once you get that far, you will find a list of women willing to carry the fertilized egg. You then have a child and are guaranteed to never have a fight with your wife.
commented 2017-05-16 22:36:19 -0400
@Bill Elder…I have a daughter and I have grandchildren. I have only recently reconciled with my daughter . The issues included: siding with her mother when it was obvious I kept my vows and her mother did not….circumsizing my grandson….divorcing the son-in-law I loved and treating him like a criminal on the advice of feminists and lawyers…using the alienation of my in-laws and grandchildren to dissuade me from criticising feminism. She is more mature now and sees things more clearly. The kids have a good relationship with their dad. She understands why I do what I do and I am who I am…she is really a lot like me….these things are genetic more than nurture.

Bill, I know there are men who have wives who are gems. You are a lucky man.

Most men today who are in a relationship are but the capricious whim of a woman away from having their lives laid to waste.

I also have a female friend who loves me and looks out for me….she is in a relationship with someone who does not appreciate her but that is a boundry that neither of us would violate.

What I despise more than the lesbians with malignant penis envy who foisted this upon us …are the masochistic castratii who sing in their choir.

Feminism is and always was the women’s auxilliary of the liberal party. Damn the liberal party to Hell.
commented 2017-05-16 22:07:21 -0400
It seems counter productive to me (no pun intended) that one would give up fatherhood with matrimony – seems like cultural suicide to me. If the argument is lefoid womenare nuts, I say never go near nuts – but there are good women – and if the inhernebt mosandry in family court is a worry, ask your spouse to enter into a personal contract that runs outside the scope of statute law.

I really don’t feel qualified to offer a strong opinion on males going celebate rather than seeding the earth, maybe it’s because I was lucky and found a good woman who is loyal to me and I reciprocate that, I have been through relationships and never committed where commitment was not warranted ….and I have friends who were devistated by their wives in a divorce, and if my wife left me, I rpobably would not look for another relationship because they wouls all be inferior to what I had – but I have to question a young man pulling out of the game all together , it seems socially irresponsible, but hey, find happiness in your own way, it would be a shame to see these young guys feel regret late in their life for never having been a loving father and husband.
commented 2017-05-16 21:14:00 -0400
Glenn Craig
No trolling here, I agree with you on this one. Feminism,like racism has done a180 and it’s become perfectly OK, even acceptable to go after the other side.The laws favour woman, as does society in general. In any altercation between a man and a woman, that make it to the media,most will side with the woman and no one cares to hear the mens side of the story. None of the male friends I have known over the years who went through a divorce got anything near fairness in the courts. Some of their x wives claimed physical abuse, when there was none and the courts bought it without any proof. Some claimed that the children were abused, to get the court on their side, and again without any proof the fathers were hung out to dry. Chivalry is dead and the 2nd and 3rd wave of feminism killed it. Most of todays generation of young woman can’t figure out why men won’t commit to a relationship, yet jump from one guy to the next,looking for the one who will best be in a position to take care of them financially, all the while acting superior, all knowing and completely independent. I’m just an old fashion guy who used to believe in chivalry and got the stuffing kick out of me through more then one breakup because of it and I am starting to see the reason in MGTOW. It’s just not worth the headache.
commented 2017-05-16 19:30:12 -0400
I am one of the original vetted group that started the movement. Actually the movement is not really new, it had manifestation among Christ’s deciples.

“And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.”

“For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.”

Prior to that in the third century BC celebate monastic life was prescribed for the serious buddhist practicioner…it was not a matter that sex defiles you….the politics of sex will surely defile you.

I gave up on courtship after my divorce. It became apparent to me that you never really court one woman….you court a commitee….and there is bound to be one or more self appointed divorce lawyers on that commitee.

In order to give myself enough scope to fight feminism I scorched the earth of all opportunity for the feminists to blackmail or coerce me into silence. Having friends on the big hill fended off attempts to break my rice bowl at work.

Bring on the trolls…I’m primed for this one.