September 20, 2017

University smoking and vaping ban isn’t about health: It’s about class — and control

Ezra LevantRebel Commander

McMaster University in Hamilton is banning smoking. You won’t be allowed to smoke outside — not even in your car, with your windows rolled up — on university property.

Vaping is banned, too, and vaping isn't even really smoking.

With vaping, there’s no second-hand smoke, no tar or many of the other carcinogens found in cigarettes.

In fact, it’s become the number one way for smokers to quit. Imagine banning that, in the name of “health.”

But this ban isn’t really about health then, is it?

As many people die in North America from obesity as from smoking. So why not ban fast food or beer?

Since when is a university in loco parentis of a 21-year-old young man or woman? Or a fifty-year-old professor? Or janitor?

I mention janitors, because there is a demographic wrinkle here: McMaster’s president makes just under $400,000 a year. Guys like that don’t smoke cigarettes; they drink fine wines, or scotches. They eat exquisite desserts.

On the other hand, blue collar people are more likely to smoke cigarettes. So are minorities.

And remember: These days, a lot of students are foreign students. And most Chinese men smoke...

I don’t think McMaster has thought out the unintended consequences of this ban. But I have.

WATCH while I tick off just a few of these...

I think people who smoke should quit. But I think quitting is hard. Punishing them, while patting yourself on the back, isn’t liberal.

And it’s certainly not part of a liberal education.

NEXT: The Campus Freedom Index is out, and to talk about where Canadian universities stand right now, I'm joined by John Carpay, President, Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms 

THEN: Ryan Mauro, Security Analyst for The Clarion Project, joins me to talk about Trump's plans to fight radical Islamic terrorism.

The President is good about calling the enemy by name, but what practical steps can and should be taken to finally destroy this threat?

FINALLY: Your messages to me about Trump's UN speech and more!

 

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commented 2017-09-22 05:24:55 -0400
You look great Ezra! And don’t lose 30lbs, you’d be much too skinny. Also, this may this be the sweetest of New Years for everyone at The Rebel. Shana Tova.

By the way, I noticed the sound quality has improved quite a bit over the last few shows.

It is about choice and the limitations of what is permissible for one adult to expect of another adult. Not touching someone is the most obvious boundary (close talkers should be in this too,but that’s a fuzzy line) but certainly telling people what to do when it’s none of their business is a close second.

McMaster Patrick Deane, a man born rich in South Africa, who attended a 50,000 a year boarding school and was, in his own words, “…a kid born of privilege who derived benefits from a country’s racist system” can tell people how to live as he is above the pedestrian lot of students below him, having the noblesse oblige to encourage habits conducive to good health. Let me take care of you, you poor unwashed mass of simple peasants. People like him are well-intentioned, but wrong. Many times academics from privileged backgrounds don’t understand the average person because they stay within a really confined social circle. He probably doesn’t realize that nicotine is as addictive as cocaine or heroin and expecting people to quit it cold turkey while dealing with University pressures is actually pretty cruel. But he should realize that if someone is old enough to be responsible for the cost and/or debt of an education at the University, they are old enough to decide on matters regarding their own health and person.
commented 2017-09-21 12:05:41 -0400
- Leftists have a defective gene that causes them to be obsessed with controlling what other people do & say. After they get their way with the smoking ban expect them to go after something else for everyone’s “own good”.

- Trump gets tough on terrorism while Trudeau goes as soft as possible. Agonizing over every word he says is something Trump supporters & opponents have in common.

- Students are immersed in socialist double-think in schools before they get to university. University is where they get to spread their SJW wings. This is why they have trigger warnings & require safe spaces. They are highly indoctrinated, not highly educated. That is what’s really sad.
commented 2017-09-21 11:33:29 -0400
In regards to your John Carpay interview; THEREBEL and SNN before it have compiled a huge archive of condemning facts about the left and their ilk, and all the treasonous, treacherous, criminal, unsavory and down right nasty actions in aid of their anti-Canadian, pro-Globalist agenda. Evidence admissible in a court of law, or the court of The People!
Someone should do an overview of all that evidence and then present it in an easily readable, understandable format (for lefties), maybe a book/DVD, or something…stage HUGE publicity stunts to force the FakeNews liars to cover it – like the Nasty Post did for THEREBEL. “Rebel Without Applause”. LOL!
You may want to take a page from Greenypeace or the PETAphile’s playbooks on ‘Getting Attention’…
Tying some of these damning facts in with what went on with Obumbler and Shrillery may bring it to a much larger – and more lucrative market! Imagine being allied with the winner Trump in the coming War Against the Left.
“The truth will set you free.”, so let’s get ’er done!

“…people tried to shout me down and I spoke nonetheless…”
“…the only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it’s my bloody right to do so…”
commented 2017-09-21 10:20:29 -0400
100 % Ban!
Fascism and totalitarianism, being imposed, being enforced and being ‘taught’ – pure and simple…
Post secondary school indoctr-ucation!
commented 2017-09-21 09:17:56 -0400
This sounds like there will be mandatory anger management classes, which is likely where this is leading to.
commented 2017-09-21 01:33:43 -0400
I am actually glad that this is being done at a a University, some left wing people smoke as do some University brainwashing teachers, this will give some of those self important idiots a taste of the commie crap they push on others.
commented 2017-09-21 01:31:35 -0400
Richard Schmidt i would guess many of the anti smoking twits are all for injection sites. They are clueless commies.
This made me think of Andrew Dice Clay-“You can smoke the Baloney Pony but not a Marlboro.”
commented 2017-09-21 01:26:10 -0400
I feel a bit above all this a as I have had the pleasure of smoking on a plane while dinking scotch. I don’t blame the banning of smoking on planes and in bars on sad pathetic wimps. They should be allowed to be wimps and afraid of smoke. I just feel sorry for such wimps. Quite trying to demonize those who us choose to smoke responsibly and not in your face.
commented 2017-09-20 22:49:03 -0400
So why not set up “supervised” smoking sites where everything is provided (matches, lighters, smoke eaters, ashtrays etc) except actual cigarettes.?
The university can adopt the “supervised” injection site model as a precedent!!
commented 2017-09-20 22:26:17 -0400
University Student Unions need to end. That’s the only way to stop them. Were the students like this before they showed up at school? If not, who’s doing this to them, and why do they still have a job?

This can only end in civil war. When you can’t talk to ppl, capitulation or force are the only options, and the first one doesn’t count! So here’s a bunch of know-it-all students that Peterson tries, in vain, to reason with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP3mSamRbYA

Trump has jumped ship. He’s gotten rid of all the good guys, brought in all the bad-guys, and is now making Lefty decisions. It’s over, accept it!
commented 2017-09-20 22:24:40 -0400
This story makes me want to smoke a cigarette and I don’t even smoke! I don’t see how that will work. If you consider smoking is an addiction for a lot of people and they will not be allowed to smoke, there may be some complaints ahead when it comes to accommodating disabilities in the workplace, I am not joking! Afterall, unlike the Americans, addictions are a disability that needs to be accommodated in the workplace. So if you are a McMaster employee reading this, try this argument. I wouldn’t want to be working alongside someone who really needs a cigarette and they can’t have access to it. Sounds like there will be a lot of productivity issues as a result.
commented 2017-09-20 21:25:58 -0400
Good show. Great info. I’m glad I’m in a position where I can’t be controlled. (Except by idiots) I fear for my children. I hope they can learn from what I know and resist the gale force winds.
God bless you and each guest tonight
And thanks to you know who
commented 2017-09-20 21:21:29 -0400
OK, one more.

Lee Horseman…excellent. Totally enjoy.

But may I suggest you self identify as your opposite gender and different sexual orientation as well in your new gender role. Also self identify as a race other than you are. Finally, come up with a whole new pronoun conjugation for your new race, gender, sexual orientation. You will really have the regressive institutions spinning.
commented 2017-09-20 21:20:17 -0400
@Kelly Webber….dairy farmers have killed more people than tobbacco farmers….

Everyone dies, nobody gets out alive…who among us is actually looking forward to the part when Bruno is spoon feeding us in the old folks home….a meal menu drawn up by a dietician based on nourishing an olympic athelete rather than a geriatric who’s only remaining joy is food of their own choice.

The campus smoking ban thing has a more sinister wider implication, it is a testing and proving ground for a wider jurisdiction ban. Scott Bryson, the walk across the floor former tory, showed that his smoking ban on the campus of Acadia was easily expanded to the community of Wolfville Nova Scotia…which was seen as an extension of the Acadia campus….and ALL academics who are affiliated with the liberal party see Canada as the campus of their university writ large…smoking policy, speach codes and all.

It never occurs to them that in spite of all of their efforts to make their campus a heaven on earth, the students just don’t hang out there….there is no Socratic “agora” there….they can’t wait to get out of there after class attendance obligation….because it is insufferably overbearing.
commented 2017-09-20 21:20:02 -0400
Ezra, excellent interview with John Carpay.
Freedom of speech is being shut down on campuses regularly… it’s appalling! Administrators are allowing this to happen.

Happy Rosh Hashana – Enjoy your family time Ezra!
commented 2017-09-20 21:13:35 -0400
Ezra, you raise good points on the smoking issue at McMaster U
1) Smoking is an addiction
2) Addictions are classifies as disabilities
3) It is illegal to discriminate against anyone on the basis of their disability
So, perhaps it’s time to test this crap at the Ontario Human Rights Commission and watch everyone turn themselves into pretzels with contradictory and contorted logic, deciding which disability must be accommodated under “accessibility and inclusiveness” and which disability should be prejudiced and punished. Well…. I’m waiting.
commented 2017-09-20 21:12:32 -0400
Last note, if Apple does not change the post.

JCCF has become the new home of my former monthly CPC donation. CPC is ambivalent about human rights since “Joe Who Jr.” took over, so I support the organizations that are not ambivalent. They will better challenge Baby Doc than “Joe Who Jr.”
commented 2017-09-20 21:11:27 -0400
It’s all about control for leftists. They must infiltrate every facet of life and control the actions and thoughts of every person under their banner. How typical of a bunch of socialist, control freaks to outlaw, perhaps the biggest advance in helping people to stop smoking; vaping. I’m with Ezra on this. Smoking is a dirty, dangerous and disgusting habit that leads to, too many dirty, disgusting and entirely preventable deaths. But in this allegedly free country, you should be able to ‘choose your poison’ without the big brothe,r socialist hegemony, forcing you to do as they dictate. I use the word ‘dictate’ as every really ‘successful dictator of the 20’th century was a socialist of one flavour or another.’ With socialists of all stripes, from Stalin, to Hitler to Castro and even our own stooge in Ottawa, it is always about control.
commented 2017-09-20 21:09:45 -0400
I would like to make an announcement. I have seen the light and I am converting to Rastafarianism and enrolling at McMaster University. The other students will recognise me as the guy with the blond dreadlocks and perpetual thick cloud of smoke around my head. Ontario Human Rights Commission, get ready. We’ll see you soon.
commented 2017-09-20 21:05:59 -0400
Liberal elitists just love to tell others what to do, and want to control your every waking moment. I’m lucky that I found the will to quit smoking, but I was in a foul mood for about 6-months, until I got control of my nicotine addiction. The fact that they are banning vaping too, is just mirroring the government, because they really don’t want you to quit. I think this is just a revenue tool for the university, and will be used as a stick to keep out those addictive types of people who they look down their noses at. I personally wouldn’t want to be around those snobs anyway. But like everything else they’ve tried to control, I’m sure those who smoke will find a way, and then the snobs will find cigarette butts in their planters.
commented 2017-09-20 21:01:55 -0400
Rosh not Rose. I am really tired of Apple telling me what I mean, and it mainly seems to be on this site.
commented 2017-09-20 20:58:33 -0400
I am glad Mr. Levant pointed out the anti-smoking ban is pure classism. Every attack by the left is on the small affordable comforts. Why? For control, as is also pointed out. Again, as pointed out, this is proven by the attack on vap’ing, the affordable substitute to smoking. The elitist and regressive left want to remove the comforts and the necessities to control. At least the Soviets allowed vodka, knowing that could numb the pain of those they oppressed, but our “intellectual” western regressives don’t even allow pain numbing as they oppress the people.

More positive note. Mr. Levant have the happiest of Rose Hashanah ever with your family. It is good for you and your family that you are there.
commented 2017-09-20 20:54:03 -0400
Outdoors, well away from entrances is what the University should be enforcing concerning smoking. Fine smokers who are smoking indoors, or crowding entrances etc…offer smoking cessation programs on campus for those who are seeking help; otherwise McMaster’s plan stinks!
commented 2017-09-20 20:49:10 -0400
Speaking of Korea, Junior needs to get on the programme and co-operate with Trump on missile defense.
commented 2017-09-20 20:46:28 -0400
Imagine if that smoker wore a Hijab/Niquab, how quick would the security be to arrest them?
Once pot is legal will they ban that too? Hardly! Universities can’t function without pot!
commented 2017-09-20 20:45:34 -0400
At ease troops – smoke ’em if ya got ’em